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CNNredd takes exception to the fact that my posts ‘incite’. Well, the word ‘incite’ means to arouse to action--to stir up. I have yet to see or to be a part of a political debate that hadn’t aroused and stirred up emotions from both sides.
CNNredd et al have simply ignored the 90% or so of the ‘liberally-infested’ membership here that runs carte blanche over we Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, Constitutionalists, and strong/proud Americans.
I have yet to see CNNredd counter any of these anti-American liberal actions, or counter them on their slanderous and simple-minded accusations toward our president, our troops, and our Christian and Conservative ideals.
As soon as I presented some hard hitting postings pitting the ‘right’ against the ‘wrong’ or the ‘right’ against the ‘lefty weak’--my posts were quickly moved and muted to the basement so as not to further upset the 90% liberal contingency and the moderate to panty-waste leaning Republicans among us. So I occasionally climb the stairs out from the foggy abyss of the basement to see the many liberally oriented postings go unchecked, uncensored, unanswered, un-attacked, and even unquestioned.
Other than Navy Pride and myself, I can’t think of anyone here that has the political acumen to challenge these outrageous liberals, or has the permission to do so without facing probable to likely censorship--all the while leaving these liberals to run wild on a strictly moderated one-sided liberal turf.

Here is my very insightful take on ‘moderates’ --especially the moderate Republicans like CNNredd himself. First, a moderate is considered a middle-roader. You stand in the middle of the road long enough and a Mack truck will surely flatten your sorry ass. Moderates are wimped-assed pussies that, like Clinton, tend to send trial balloons skyward to see which way the political winds are blowing (no, not like Monica)--or try to please and appease as many people as possible so as to avoid getting their sensitive feelings hurt.
We have useless anti-Republican platform moderates like Lincoln Chaffe, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, Chuck Hagel, and John McCain that undermine and hurt the Republican movement. Remember Jumping Jim Jeffords of Vermont? I just soon see all these confused/weak senators resign or jump party affiliation over to the libs. So I see CNNredd lacking a strong Republican policy/platform backbone--much like these aforementioned losers.
For about 40 years the Republican were relegated to minority status, to the basement of politics (similar to this basement here). Forty years of watching our country socially experiment (socialism)--in the form of the New Deal, the Great Society, to the unionizing of every person that couldn’t think for themselves, to multiculturalism, to Political Correctness, to bashing our president and our troops, to calling America a bully and uncaring to the world’s poor, to murdering millions of our unborn, to bashing our founding father’s and our traditions, to the bashing of Christianity itself. So excuse me if I find it my duty to rebut the two entities of Socialism and Liberalism that are hell-bent on maintaining their destructive forces of evil; and that I do so with passion and fervor.
The Republican seed was firmly planted into American history in 1980 when Ronald Reagan took the reign. Newt Gingrich made sure in 1994 that our Congress would stay as a Republican majority. George Bush has extended that majority by ensuring that the Senate and our Governors will enjoy majority status for a long time to come.

CNNredd and other weak Republicans choose to sit back and let the inflammatory and traitorous remarks of high profile Democrats like Howard Dean, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Jessie (keep hope alive) Jackson, Ramsey Clark, Harry Belafonte et al to go unchecked or unanswered is simply a disgrace, not to mention a defeatist stand in the nature of political discourse. Ah yes, a ‘defeatist stand’; sound like the position John Murtha has with foreign affairs?
Republican have the power now, and we’ll keep so long as there are people like myself that are willing to challenge the liberal attack machine, and before their nonsensical liberal media mantra get a favorable rating from an ill-informed polling public.
Evidently, any posts that ‘incite’ a debate, and or use ‘opinion’ as a buffer to fact as with my “How can I become Liberal” post--will get s**t-canned here to the basement. I didn’t attack any members here personally with that post, but I do apologize for rattling any liberal sensitivities or for placing an undue or unwarranted rash on your already thin-skinned torso.
Don’t worry CNNredd, there are enough strong-willed Republicans like myself across this fruited plain that find it only a minor inconvenience to carry moderates like yourself on our backs during these highly contentious political times. You may want to ask yourself if you’re going to stand with the strong like myself, or weasel out of the Republican party by pulling another Jumping Jim Jeffords act. Again, ball is in your court.

KidTim
 

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LOL!

Too bad you have such major problems accepting personal responsiblity for your actions.
Kudos on your victimhood, though. You're doing a great job with that.

Who're the kinds of folks who refuse to accept personal respoinsibility for their actions, promote their own victim status, support big-government presidential Admins (like the current one), and who think that the federal government's social engineering projects (like the one to remake the ME) are an appropriate solution?

In my day we called these folks liberals. But today, as we can see (w/ ptsdkid as a exemplary example) they have taken to calling themselves conservative.

If you keep milking your victimhood like that, you'll grow hair on your palms and will go blind.
 

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cnnredd, it not based on that per his post on what your user name really means. It has been a nick name of his for a long time and is based on his hair color and wrestling.
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
LOL!

Too bad you have such major problems accepting personal responsiblity for your actions.
Kudos on your victimhood, though. You're doing a great job with that.

Who're the kinds of folks who refuse to accept personal respoinsibility for their actions, promote their own victim status, support big-government presidential Admins (like the current one), and who think that the federal government's social engineering projects (like the one to remake the ME) are an appropriate solution?

In my day we called these folks liberals. But today, as we can see (w/ ptsdkid as a exemplary example) they have taken to calling themselves conservative.

If you keep milking your victimhood like that, you'll grow hair on your palms and will go blind.

****Surely you jest with this response. I have major problems accepting responsibility with my actions? Say what? I'm the one that learned long ago to pull myself up by my 'own' bootstrap. I'm not the one that lacks self confidence by joining a union that dictates one's lifestyle. I'm not the one that slanders and attacks our traditions, or president, or our military. I fought in Vietnam as a proud honorable soldier for our country. I fail to see where I'm not holding up my end of the responsiblity factor.
What's with this reference to 'victimhood'. What a laugh. Victomhood is the liberal's ace in the hole. Everyone is a victim in the liberal's world. Do I need to present a list here to you of the cradle to grave victim recipients of bennies that have infested the liberal minions for years?
All those issues you stated were and still are examples of liberal victomhood. Republicans are too busy fighting wars and providing jobs to former welfare recipient liberals to entertain the thought of reaching room temperature in a victim half way house. Wake up!
 

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ptsdkid said:
I have major problems accepting responsibility with my actions?
Yep. That's why you are making such an effort to blame the mods et al for your decision not to conduct civil discourse.

ptsdkid said:
I fail to see where I'm not holding up my end of the responsiblity factor.
Of course you do.
There's no other explanation as to why your discourteous and uncivil spleen-venting is placed in the Basement other than folks are out to get you. There's no way whatsoever that you could be responsible for what you post. Of course, of course. There, there, you poor picked on baby.

ptsdkid said:
What's with this reference to 'victimhood'. What a laugh. Victomhood is the liberal's ace in the hole. Everyone is a victim in the liberal's world.
I see you've learned the lessons well. You're playing the victim role to the hilt.

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All those issues you stated were and still are examples of liberal victomhood.
And they're all examples of your behavior.
 

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I hear he is actually a liberal, and Vauge has been editing his posts, so you may very well be on to something!:shock:
 

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Nice thread...all I can say is...

Congratulations Navy Pride...You longer have the title...
 

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cnredd said:
Nice thread...all I can say is...

Congratulations Navy Pride...You longer have the title...
Still, you don't deny the charge, very interesting, very interesting indeed.:mrgreen:
 

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cnredd said:
Nice thread...all I can say is...

Congratulations Navy Pride...You longer have the title...
My question for you is why you have Elephants below your name?.........The only thing I can think of is your and Olympia Snow Republican.................

I know its not fashionable to be a dem now because republicans have control of everything.........

I will never understand why Liberals pretend to be Republican.....
 

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Navy Pride said:
I will never understand why Liberals pretend to be Republican...
Me either. The GW Bush Admin has been doing it for a while now though. Go figure.
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
Me either. The GW Bush Admin has been doing it for a while now though. Go figure.
If anyones red is in question, it's yours sir, seriously, why are you red?:confused:
 

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If anyones red is in question, it's yours sir, seriously, why are you red?
From what I've seen, your wondering comes from erroneously associating support for the invasion of Iraq as the litmus test for things Republican and things conservative. Don't forget that there are other elements of conservatism. I find company with the earlier generation of conservatives like Milton Friedman, William Buckley jr. - people from before the liberal entryists (the neocons) came to have so much influence.

You'll have to remember that I joined when we were the party of Reagan and in favor of small government. Now the party has come to be dominated by "big-government conservatives" (as if there could actually be such a thing. That's about as sensible as dehydrated water.) In those days we had Realist foreign policy in the line of Kissinger, Scowcroft and Baker where America's vital interest took precedence over idealistic visions of ivory tower academics who want to use America's military to conduct dicey social engineering experiments on the other side of (and possibly all around) the globe.

Have you ever even heard of the Sharon Statement? It's a brief document, but I'll not republish it in its entirety that there may be some joy of discovery left for those who have not.

Here're some excerpts:
That foremost among the transcendent values is the individual's use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;

That the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;

That when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;

That we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies;

That American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?
As I noted here, the electorate must keep its watchful eyes not only on foreign enemies, but on the more insidious internal enemies that are not even human but rather human frailties like the tendency to trust those in power forgetting that they are, after all, politicians, and blind forces such as those that make us likely to consider rational ignorance an option.
The electorate must actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to find skullduggery and the appearances of skullduggery. When used properly, these limit the damage potential of hugger mugger scoundrels and reprobates in positions of public trust. The electorate must also actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to end and correct such perfidy as it is discovered.
As Gee Dubya the First's s'posed t'said, "[government] is a dangerous servant".
If others want to embrace big-government philosophies, substitute cheering and jeering for rational debate (thereby surrendering our hard won freedoms to the whims of whatever politicians have the best slogans), and trade the lives of our men and women in the armed forces in pursuit of idealistic flights of fancy rather than the just interests of the United States and call this conservatism, I, unfortunately, cannot stop them. But it doesn't mean that I have to follow after them and use their newspeak calling these things conservatism or calling what is conservatism something else.
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
From what I've seen, your wondering comes from erroneously associating support for the invasion of Iraq as the litmus test for things Republican and things conservative. Don't forget that there are other elements of conservatism. I find company with the earlier generation of conservatives like Milton Friedman, William Buckley jr. - people from before the liberal entryists (the neocons) came to have so much influence.

You'll have to remember that I joined when we were the party of Reagan and in favor of small government. Now the party has come to be dominated by "big-government conservatives" (as if there could actually be such a thing. That's about as sensible as dehydrated water.) In those days we had Realist foreign policy in the line of Kissinger, Scowcroft and Baker where America's vital interest took precedence over idealistic visions of ivory tower academics who want to use America's military to conduct dicey social engineering experiments on the other side of (and possibly all around) the globe.

Have you ever even heard of the Sharon Statement? It's a brief document, but I'll not republish it in its entirety that there may be some joy of discovery left for those who have not.

Here're some excerpts:
That foremost among the transcendent values is the individual's use of his God-given free will, whence derives his right to be free from the restrictions of arbitrary force;

That the purpose of government is to protect those freedoms through the preservation of internal order, the provision of national defense, and the administration of justice;

That when government ventures beyond these rightful functions, it accumulates power, which tends to diminish order and liberty;

That we will be free only so long as the national sovereignty of the United States is secure; that history shows periods of freedom are rare, and can exist only when free citizens concertedly defend their rights against all enemies;

That American foreign policy must be judged by this criterion: does it serve the just interests of the United States?
As I noted here, the electorate must keep its watchful eyes not only on foreign enemies, but on the more insidious internal enemies that are not even human but rather human frailties like the tendency to trust those in power forgetting that they are, after all, politicians, and blind forces such as those that make us likely to consider rational ignorance an option.
The electorate must actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to find skullduggery and the appearances of skullduggery. When used properly, these limit the damage potential of hugger mugger scoundrels and reprobates in positions of public trust. The electorate must also actively preserve and acquire all necessary tools to end and correct such perfidy as it is discovered.
As Gee Dubya the First's s'posed t'said, "[government] is a dangerous servant".
If others want to embrace big-government philosophies, substitute cheering and jeering for rational debate (thereby surrendering our hard won freedoms to the whims of whatever politicians have the best slogans), and trade the lives of our men and women in the armed forces in pursuit of idealistic flights of fancy rather than the just interests of the United States and call this conservatism, I, unfortunately, cannot stop them. But it doesn't mean that I have to follow after them and use their newspeak calling these things conservatism or calling what is conservatism something else.

Thank you for taking the time to clear that up for me, but I will admit that I already assumed as much. I just don't think you repair a party, or bring them together, by tearing it down. I suggest you join a new one, or create another, right now, all you are doing at this point, is assuring that this will be the end result, so why wait? A party without new ideas, or diverse members, has little chance of sticking around, this is where you have positioned yourself, IMO, and just a respectful observation.
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
Me either. The GW Bush Admin has been doing it for a while now though. Go figure.

GWB is a social Conservative and a fiscal moderate.........
 

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If anyones red is in question, it's yours sir, seriously, why are you red?:confused:
There are several moderators that have elephants as their avatar but everything the post is democrat or liberal...........
 

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Thank you for taking the time to clear that up for me, but I will admit that I already assumed as much. I just don't think you repair a party, or bring them together, by tearing it down. I suggest you join a new one, or create another, right now, all you are doing at this point, is assuring that this will be the end result, so why wait? A party without new ideas, or diverse members, has little chance of sticking around, this is where you have positioned yourself, IMO, and just a respectful observation.
Like in the 1992 elections with Perot the democrats would love to divide the republicans and conservatives.........That is the only way they can regain control.......If Conservatives would stay united we would not lose and election for the next 20 years.................Why some of these so called republican conservatives can't see that I will never understand.......they are doing liberal democrats a favor........
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
Me either. The GW Bush Admin has been doing it for a while now though. Go figure.
Would you rather have John Kerry as president?
 

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GWB is a social Conservative and a fiscal moderate.........
Big government is now being called moderate these days. Interesting.
 

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Deegan said:
I just don't think you repair a party, or bring them together, by tearing it down.
Who's ragging the party? I've just got issues w/ the actions of the crew who're in now.

Deegan said:
I suggest you join a new one, or create another, right now, all you are doing at this point, is assuring that this will be the end result, so why wait?
To what end? How would I be better served? There's no party with a hand in glove fit.
Starting my own party would be an exercise in futility. Before the planning stage even begins, I know I'm unwilling to put forth kind of effort it woud take to make that work. So the question of whether or not I could is moot.
The GOP will cycle back around to one of its more sensible moods.

Deegan said:
A party without new ideas, or diverse members, has little chance of sticking around ...
Exactly. If everyone like me were to leave the GOP umbrella, the GOP would suffer from the loss of "diverse members" and "new ideas."
 

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Who's ragging the party? I've just got issues w/ the actions of the crew who're in now.

To what end? How would I be better served? There's no party with a hand in glove fit.
Starting my own party would be an exercise in futility. Before the planning stage even begins, I know I'm unwilling to put forth kind of effort it woud take to make that work. So the question of whether or not I could is moot.
The GOP will cycle back around to one of its more sensible moods.

Exactly. If everyone like me were to leave the GOP umbrella, the GOP would suffer from the loss of "diverse members" and "new ideas."


So you agree, excellent, brilliant in fact. Now, are you ready to talk to your party, and not be part of the destruction of it?:confused:
 

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Simon W. Moon said:
Big government is now being called moderate these days. Interesting.

Guess you never heard of 9/11/01, 2 wars and the biggest natural disaster in the history of this country...Those things don't come cheap.....
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Yep. That's why you are making such an effort to blame the mods et al for your decision not to conduct civil discourse.

Of course you do.
There's no other explanation as to why your discourteous and uncivil spleen-venting is placed in the Basement other than folks are out to get you. There's no way whatsoever that you could be responsible for what you post. Of course, of course. There, there, you poor picked on baby.

I see you've learned the lessons well. You're playing the victim role to the hilt.

And they're all examples of your behavior.

****Where did you learn that fine art of doubletalking your way out of everything? You're showing signs of having what it takes to be a basic loser liberal. Congratulations for being CNNredd's current mouthpiece. Actually, there isn't much to choose from in the way of smarts from either one of you.
 
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