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CNN Vs. FOX (1 Viewer)

aquapub

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On the heels of recent stunning advancements against Al Queda in Iraq, one can’t help but notice a stark contrast in coverage between the leading liberal network and FOX News. Every time I have watched CNN in the last few days, the only mention of the treasure trove of intelligence gathered from Zarqawi’s safe house-recently used MOSTLY by the IRAQI military to conduct hundreds of devastating raids on terror cells, money, and weapons across Iraq- has been when CNN’s liberal elite DISSMISSED and PLAYED DOWN the accomplishment. They have taken great pains to avoid actually reporting what a devastating blow it was or that documents were uncovered in the raids that indicate the insurgency is nearing collapse.

Their avoidance of that entire side of the story was then accompanied by their well-timed release of a one-sided “documentary” meant to undermine the legitimacy of the war called, “Dead Wrong.” It was about the WMD that “never existed,” and the “intelligence meltdown” that led us into this “flawed thinking” that Saddam needed to be taken out.

Point after sleazy, misleading point sounded just like it was coming from Howard Dean or John Kerry (depending on which day of the week it you catch him on); it was like watching someone read DNC talking points.

They portrayed Saddam as never having been a threat to us or our troops before Bush insisted on invading. They made it look like there had been no relationship between Saddam and Al Queda by showing an ex-CIA agent saying, “There was no official, state sponsor relationship,” while omitting that there were extensive connections between the two. They failed to mention that Saddam was harboring Abu Abbas when we got there, that he had sponsored suicide bombers, killed Israelis and Americans with missiles and terrorist attacks, or that Saddam had tried to assassinate one of our presidents. There were numerous, numerous gaps in their coverage of the issue, and conveniently, every account of every story left Bush looking like an evil genius or a capricious stooge.

They failed to explain why Saddam had continuously expelled weapons inspectors every time they got close to certain sites if he had gotten rid of the remaining WMD-the ones he hadn’t used to commit genocide. They ignored the fact that we gave Saddam months and months to get rid of his WMD while we were debating invading. They also downplayed the 15 years of failed diplomacy leading up to the war.

The most comical thing about CNN’s coverage was how shocked they acted that their left wing viewing audience kept writing into the show with such vicious emails against the war, that they couldn’t even air them. People tend to get more extreme when they are only getting one side of the story.

FOX, on the other hand, released their big special about new evidence more extensively linking Saddam to the Taliban, and they brought one of the liberal Democrats who write for TIME Magazine (not that that narrows it down much) to discuss the war’s legitimacy and the impact of the Zarqawi safe house discoveries. Far more fair and way more balanced.
 
waits to see who takes the bait.......
 
PeteEU said:
waits to see who takes the bait.......


I think CNN has lost so much of its viewership because of this overt slant they've engaged in. Only Deaniacs seem to trust them anymore.
 
Personally, I try to give CNN and FOX equal time.

Kinda like when you get dizzy on the merry-go-round, you can reverse the rotation, and get your equalibrium back.

They both are birds of a feather. They are both so slanted they lose any hint of credibility. But then again, how boring would a non-biased channel be? People tune in to hear what they want to hear. They are going to listen more to those who tell them what they want to hear. Humanism .101.

FOX is off the scale rightwing. CNN is a bit more subtle perhaps, but their leanings are definitely to the left.
 
You have clearly not been watching anything but Fox, as there are so many holes in your ranting that its almost funny.

They portrayed Saddam as never having been a threat to us or our troops before Bush insisted on invading.

Yes they did. Leading up to the war, its was the only thing we were hearing from the US media. The only media to even ask the hard questions were in Europe. Gotta suck when the media turns on you and your policies eh.? But as always with right wingers these days, attack is the best defense and if that fails, blur the picture enough so no one can tell what the hell is going on... the truth comes last.

They made it look like there had been no relationship between Saddam and Al Queda by showing an ex-CIA agent saying, “There was no official, state sponsor relationship,” while omitting that there were extensive connections between the two.

And the CIA agent was correct of course and you are incorrect. There were very limited connections between the two, even your own biased senate reports came to this conclusion. They were infact mortal enemies on many fronts. This has been said several times in the US media I have access to, however I have yet to see anything of this on Fox.

They failed to mention that Saddam was harboring Abu Abbas when we got there, that he had sponsored suicide bombers, killed Israelis and Americans with missiles and terrorist attacks, or that Saddam had tried to assassinate one of our presidents.

Abu Abbas had been in Bagdad for a decade, and everyone that mattered, knew exactly where he was. Saddam did not sponser suicide bombers, he did however pay the families after the fact, but then the US should invade every muslim nation as they all do exactly the same. And when did Saddam kill Isrealies with missiles after the Gulf War?.. and dont tell me you missed the "liberal" media reporting those strikes.

FOX, on the other hand, released their big special about new evidence more extensively linking Saddam to the Taliban, and they brought one of the liberal Democrats who write for TIME Magazine (not that that narrows it down much) to discuss the war’s legitimacy and the impact of the Zarqawi safe house discoveries.

And now Fox/Bush administration trying to link Saddam and the Taliban? give me a break.... whats next, linking Saddam to the gloabl warming threat and Clinton?

Far more fair and way more balanced.

Hardly.

And for your information, CNN over here and most media have commented on the information coming from the safe house raid... but I am guessing they dont have the same "access" as Fox does...

As for the insurgency being in collapse.... tell that to the 50 plus a day bodies ..
 
PeteEU said:
waits to see who takes the bait.......

LOL I won't even read aquapub's posts anymore, Pete. He has shown that he has nothing but hatred for liberals. Thus, his posts are nothing but rants against the left, which, after a while, get boring. It's the same ol', same ol' everytime. Just click on his name and see for yourself. *yawn*
 
aps said:
LOL I won't even read aquapub's posts anymore, Pete. He has shown that he has nothing but hatred for liberals. Thus, his posts are nothing but rants against the left, which, after a while, get boring. It's the same ol', same ol' everytime. Just click on his name and see for yourself. *yawn*

Yawn indeed, seems you won't read anyone's posts that you don't agree with, I suggest finding something other then a debate site aps.;)

Who cares what CNN or Fox are doing, just be happy you have a choice, try getting the truth in Russia, then maybe I'll feel sorry for you whiners.:roll:
 
aps said:
LOL I won't even read aquapub's posts anymore, Pete. He has shown that he has nothing but hatred for liberals. Thus, his posts are nothing but rants against the left, which, after a while, get boring. It's the same ol', same ol' everytime. Just click on his name and see for yourself. *yawn*

Ditto Pete. It's best to spend your time more where it may actually have an impact.
 
Deegan said:
Who cares what CNN or Fox are doing, just be happy you have a choice, try getting the truth in Russia, then maybe I'll feel sorry for you whiners.:roll:

I don't look at any of the corporate media to give me the truth. It's a lot closer to Russia than the average person might think.

CNN is as much of a joke as Fox is in terms of hard news.

The only news channel I've ever seen that does in depth reporting on a regularly basis is CNN International.

Unfortunately, my cable provider doesn't carry CNN International, so I'm stuck with a choice between Glenn Beck, Wolf Blitzer, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

Helluva choice.
 
hipsterdufus said:
I don't look at any of the corporate media to give me the truth. It's a lot closer to Russia than the average person might think.

CNN is as much of a joke as Fox is in terms of hard news.

The only news channel I've ever seen that does in depth reporting on a regularly basis is CNN International.

Unfortunately, my cable provider doesn't carry CNN International, so I'm stuck with a choice between Glenn Beck, Wolf Blitzer, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

Helluva choice.

But you do have the internet professor, God knows that must keep you at least warm at night.....no?;)
 
On the heels of recent stunning advancements against Al Queda in Iraq, one can’t help but notice a stark contrast in coverage between the leading liberal network and FOX News. Every time I have watched CNN in the last few days, the only mention of the treasure trove of intelligence gathered from Zarqawi’s safe house-recently used MOSTLY by the IRAQI military to conduct hundreds of devastating raids on terror cells, money, and weapons across Iraq- has been when CNN’s liberal elite DISSMISSED and PLAYED DOWN the accomplishment.

I hardly care to defend CNN, not due to alleged political bias, but more to cowardly journalism, however, if you regularly get news from Fox "news", it is no wonder you are surprised at the supposed lack of coverage of this issue.

I'm sure, as always with Fox, they will have non-stop coverage on any issue they perceive as a plus for President Bush or the Republican Party. So therefore, if you come from watching all that cheerleading on Fox to a 'normal' amount of coverage, you will see it as some kind of liberal bias.

The whole 'liberal' media bias idea is a total crock of **** anyway.
 
wonder cow said:
I hardly care to defend CNN, not due to alleged political bias, but more to cowardly journalism, however, if you regularly get news from Fox "news", it is no wonder you are surprised at the supposed lack of coverage of this issue.

I'm sure, as always with Fox, they will have non-stop coverage on any issue they perceive as a plus for President Bush or the Republican Party. So therefore, if you come from watching all that cheerleading on Fox to a 'normal' amount of coverage, you will see it as some kind of liberal bias.

The whole 'liberal' media bias idea is a total crock of **** anyway.

Really? Because 9 out of 10 journalists will tell you they are liberal, and that will obviously find it's way in to their reporting, that's psych 101.;)
 
Deegan said:
But you do have the internet professor, God knows that must keep you at least warm at night.....no?;)

Especially when my laptop battery heats up. ;)
 
Deegan said:
Really? Because 9 out of 10 journalists will tell you they are liberal, and that will obviously find it's way in to their reporting, that's psych 101.;)

Find me 9 out of 10 journalists that call CNN liberal. Personally, I loathe CNN. The most liberal guy on CNN that I know of is Republican Jack Cafferty, who is a commentator on the eternally constipated Wolf Blitzer show.
 
hipsterdufus said:
Find me 9 out of 10 journalists that call CNN liberal. Personally, I loathe CNN. The most liberal guy on CNN that I know of is Republican Jack Cafferty, who is a commentator on the eternally constipated Wolf Blitzer show.

You make my case for me professor, your sort of anarchy is the norm, and it's only the fat cat corporate guys that keep you from storming the capitol!;)


I might add I am glad you took those pictures out of your sig, I was not talking to you until you came to your senses.;)
 
Really? Because 9 out of 10 journalists will tell you they are liberal

Do you have a source for that?

Mainstream media has always been moderate to slightly right of center, regardless of the popular misconception to the contrary. They are part of the establishment, and hence will always initially lean in that direction.

Look at who they are and what they do for a living.

White collar workers, college educated, wages in middle/upper middle class

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#b27-0000
 
BBC News kicks FOX and CNNs *** on all international issues lol

Anyway, when it comes to news broadcasts-the 5.30 version- I see it going in this order left to right.

CBS CNN <PBS> ABC FOX
 
Hey I was bored.. so I replied... I am weak sometimes.

And the BBC does have a better interntaional newscoverage, however it does not stop the right from attacking the BBC as its news coverage is not like Fox and hence it must be liberal :)
 
PeteEU said:
Hey I was bored.. so I replied... I am weak sometimes.

And the BBC does have a better interntaional newscoverage, however it does not stop the right from attacking the BBC as its news coverage is not like Fox and hence it must be liberal :)

What I find is rather sad is that conservatives use the word "liberal" like it's a dirty word. Their constant namecalling is pathetic, shows their level of maturity (or lack thereof), and makes me sick. For once I would like to see a conservative who can attack the democrats without namecalling. I have yet to see that.
 
aps said:
What I find is rather sad is that conservatives use the word "liberal" like it's a dirty word. Their constant namecalling is pathetic, shows their level of maturity (or lack thereof), and makes me sick. For once I would like to see a conservative who can attack the democrats without namecalling. I have yet to see that.

yep.. also the missuse of the word.... Liberal is not socialist or communist.. its so far from it that its like calling a dog a cow because its got 4 legs. In fact liberal polices have more in commone with conservative policies and liberal and conservative parties around the world often join forces to govern.. but hey everyone one knows the world rotates around the US :)
 
Deegan said:
You make my case for me professor, your sort of anarchy is the norm, and it's only the fat cat corporate guys that keep you from storming the capitol!;)

I might add I am glad you took those pictures out of your sig, I was not talking to you until you came to your senses.;)

Just trying to rev myself up for participation in "True Debate"
 
PeteEU said:
yep.. also the missuse of the word.... Liberal is not socialist or communist.. its so far from it that its like calling a dog a cow because its got 4 legs. In fact liberal polices have more in commone with conservative policies and liberal and conservative parties around the world often join forces to govern.. but hey everyone one knows the world rotates around the US :)

I agree, the real liberals, they would never have engaged in these angry, hateful smear campaigns, they would have taken a more peaceful path to change. They would have led by example, with love and compassion guiding their charge, keeping the moral high ground all the while. These people they call "liberal" today, this really frightens me, I hope that the liberal of old has not been destroyed by greed, hatred, and desperation. I refer to these angry folks today as neo-liberals, and as you might have guessed, I don't appreciate their hi-jacking of a very respected, very well earned reputation.
 
hipsterdufus said:
Just trying to rev myself up for participation in "True Debate"

Ahh, I'll have to check that out.;)
 
I'm surprised that the term Neo- liberal hasn't caught on yet.

There are definitely some extremists affiliated with that ideology.
 
Captain America said:
FOX is off the scale rightwing. CNN is a bit more subtle perhaps, but their leanings are definitely to the left.


Every study that measures the media vs. the public puts FOX just right of center. CNN falls way more left than FOX does right.
 

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