(CNN) Trump lays into Musk, suggesting he has ‘Trump derangement syndrome’

[upsideguy]

(CNN) Trump lays into Musk, suggesting he has ‘Trump derangement syndrome’
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I've spent a few moments trying to come up with insightful, intelligent, comment.

But all I kept thinking is,

"Can you believe this?"

Yes, Trump claims Elon Musk has 'TDS'!

I swear, I feel like we're living in some alternative universe . . .

No, Trump has Trump derangement syndrome. The man is clearly not well. He is deranged. Anyone that thinks Trump's performance since January is actually presidential, you might also seek the consul of experts.....

Meanwhile, the break up is quite entertaining....

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Elon Musk uses Donald Trump's own words against him

Elon Musk continues to attack the "big, beautiful bill."

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This seems to be a bit of a heavyweight fight. Can Elon's money finally neuter Trump? Will Elon suffer the same fate of everyone else that has come to close to Trump? Either way, it couldn't happen to a greater A-hole.....

 

[anatta]

I think you have hit on an elegantly uncomplicated explanation for what we are seeing today. Occams razor. Very likely motivation.

But the whole story arc. It's so broad. He has been so passionate about what he was doing with "DOGE".

And then we went from "It's all computer!" to the divorce in like 2ish months? Was he acting then, or is he acting now? Or both? OR was he super enthusiastic about the chance to "help the administration", somehow changed his mind along the way, and then went full 180 and started doing this scorched Earth twitter takedown?

I mean... it's possible. But just so odd., And yeah I know... Aspergers.

In some ways we have two of the worlds most prolific trolls. In fact arguably #1 AND #2. And now they are facing off. And they are both unstable, megalomaniacs.

The stakes are so high... lol.

Im not married but I've been in relationships where one winds up just trying to hurt the other person in bad fights.
One says anything -stuff long settled, or just makes up stuff to look worse then it is.

Musk is at this stage. Trump is incapable of de-escalating a spat. So one gets todays shit show

 

[cAPSLOCK]

WOW, this beef has exploded. I was gone fishing, then my dad texted me, Elon Musk said Donald Trump is on the Epstein list. HOLY MOLY. I agree with Elon Musk on the budget bill and fiscal issues, but at the same time, I like Trump, and I voted for him, so I am torn on this conflict, but Trump's budget plan and rally cry against Thomas Massie pissed me off too. I'm glad somebody else with more influence took notice.

We would probably enjoy having a beer, and then be bored since we agree too much lol.

The spending in the BBB is bonkers... and the fact Trump and E Warren are on the same side all of a sudden should ring bells.

I am a giant fan of Massie. Wish he had a popsickles chance...

 

[Fearandloathing]

WOW, this beef has exploded. I was gone fishing, then my dad texted me, Elon Musk said Donald Trump is on the Epstein list. HOLY MOLY. I agree with Elon Musk on the budget bill and fiscal issues, but at the same time, I like Trump, and I voted for him, so I am torn on this conflict, but Trump's budget plan and rally cry against Thomas Massie pissed me off too. I'm glad somebody else with more influence took notice.

That's what you get with Trump. The bad with the good. The question is is the good actually worth the bad he brings?

I'd say not even close. He's a drain on society. He deliberately divides so that he may conquer.

So you back a guy who openly shits on everyone but his inner circle, is a convicted rapist and fraud because he adds a point or two to your portfolio revenue.

It will be helpful to you when Amerika is in ashes and at war with itself.

"America First" is actually "Donald Trump First and ALWAYS!

My grandfather would say never trust anyone who trusts a crook. Donald Trump is a crook.

You actually "trust" Donald Trump!

 

[Fearandloathing]

No, Trump has Trump derangement syndrome. The man is clearly not well. He is deranged.

Meanwhile, the break up is quite entertaining....

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It is highly reminiscent of high school.

 

[OlNate]

You think a PR crisis management team told Musk to accuse the President of being in cahoots with a known pedophile?

You think Musk would listen to a PR crisis management team?!?




If "everything is marketing," and pays attention to handlers, then why would Musk do things that so thoroughly destroyed his reputation, and is driving his car business straight into the ground?

This is not "marketing." Any marketer or PR flack who thinks this is good for Musk ought to be fired.

Uh, yes, I do think he would listen to a PR firm, if losing his business was the alternative.. he didn't get to where he is by being full dumb.

In contrast, putting as much distance between him and Trump is probably the only strategy that would work at this point. It's not like red hats are lining up to buy an EV. He picked the wrong crowd to appeal to, he is course correcting. Or trying, I'm not sure he can actually wash the stink off, but you can tell he's trying based on the extreme language he's using.

Blame it on the drugs, blame it on a billionaire's boredom, but he went a little loopy for a while there, and forgot an important rule: if you're going to get political and try to run a business at the same time, don't go against the money. This all makes sense from a marketing perspective, if you know about marketing. When the well is this poisoned, you need to shock the system. He's attempting to pull himself out of a very deep hole.

 

[Chomsky]

Yes, Musk himself has claimed to have been diagnosed with Asperger's, which entirely makes sense.

Also, nowadays the politically correct label is "high-functioning autism". I personally prefer Asperger's.

Yes, Musk has indeed publicly admitted he's On the Spectrum.

 

[OlNate]

I think you have hit on an elegantly uncomplicated explanation for what we are seeing today. Occams razor. Very likely motivation.

But the whole story arc. It's so broad. He has been so passionate about what he was doing with "DOGE".

And then we went from "It's all computer!" to the divorce in like 2ish months? Was he acting then, or is he acting now? Or both? OR was he super enthusiastic about the chance to "help the administration", somehow changed his mind along the way, and then went full 180 and started doing this scorched Earth twitter takedown?

I mean... it's possible. But just so odd., And yeah I know... Aspergers.

In some ways we have two of the worlds most prolific trolls. In fact arguably #1 AND #2. And now they are facing off. And they are both unstable, megalomaniacs.

The stakes are so high... lol.

I'd say both. It's all acting. All of it.

But that's a theory for another day, as I don't feel like having that fight (not talking about with you) tonight.

Rather, I'm going to unwind with a lovely spliff and some 8D music, and forget about the shit show for a while.

Have a nice evening, bud, catch ya next time.

 

[upsideguy]

It is highly reminiscent of high school.

I don't know about you, but my high school experience was far more adult then I am witnessing here.... this seems much more 3rd grade playground....

 

[Chomsky]

It is highly reminiscent of high school.

I was thinking more like Grammar School!

 

[Fearandloathing]

I'd say both. It's all acting. All of it.

But that's a theory for another day, as I don't feel like having that fight (not talking about with you) tonight.

Rather, I'm going to unwind with a lovely spliff and some 8D music, and forget about the shit show for a while.

Have a nice evening, bud, catch ya next time.

Spliff. Haven't heard that word in a while.

My definition is a cigarette that is a mixture of grass and hash and maybe some tobacco. Later years it included coke.

Nevertheless thanks for the reminder. I am rolling as I type!

have grand night

 

[anatta]

If you'd vote for Clinton but wouldn't vote for Obama, it's because you hate black people or you're a PUMA holdout from 2008. What am I missing? They are basically the same brand of politician. Obama is just far more likeable.

to be clear I voted for Obama in 08. So i misspoke. Libya was a big reason I wouldn't vote for Obama in 2012. @BlackAsCoal
( long gone from here) and myself spent a lot of time and effort digging thru the propaganda Qadaffi shelled his own people in Green Square
I mention this because Obama has said Libya was his "biggest foreign policy mistake"

Also as a white guy I was getting told to my face I have no business criticizing Progressive ideas because I was "privileged" .
Obama made too much about race - or by that time I was just sick of being a Blue Dog Dem -so I went 3rd party
I finally became a populist because i have no confidence in establishment politics from either party

 

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[Geoist]

 

[OlNate]

Spliff. Haven't heard that word in a while.

My definition is a cigarette that is a mixture of grass and hash and maybe some tobacco. Later years it included coke.

Nevertheless thanks for the reminder. I am rolling as I type!

have grand night

Ha...sounds perfect, but I don't blend my herb... And I never tried coke, specifically because I am pretty sure I would get hooked...lol

You have a grand night as well, bud.

 

[MTAtech]

What’s disturbing is Trump saying he would cancel Musk owned companies in apparent retribution. The government doesn’t belong to Trump that he whimsically use to punish people he doesn’t like.

Trump once complained about cancel culture. He now embraces it.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I'd say both. It's all acting. All of it.

But that's a theory for another day, as I don't feel like having that fight (not talking about with you) tonight.

Invite me... I find this interesting. Because I agree it's most likely ALL acting... And when you play THAT tape forward it goes nowhere but crazy.

Rather, I'm going to unwind with a lovely spliff and some 8D music, and forget about the shit show for a while.

Have a nice evening, bud, catch ya next time.

Enjoy.

 

[Isidore]

It gets tedious hearing Dems complain about defict spending when Biden threw is un-needed "Inflation Reduction Act" which was a couple trillion for green and such.

You should check out the CBO report on that. Their projection was that the I.R.A. would raise the deficits from 2022–2025 a total of $3.2 billion (yes, with a "b"), and cumulatively reduce the deficits by $90.5 billion over ten years after becoming law. Is that the level of additional deficit spending/reduction by Democrats that concerns you?

My point is no one is fiscally sound - but only Repubs are held accountable to deficit spending

Perhaps due to the larger degree of hypocrisy of Republicans claiming to fervently care about deficits but never seem to follow through with any effective actions. Apparently what they really are concerned with is cutting taxes – which predictably hasn't helped lower deficits.

Did the deficit go down any year when Trump was President and Republicans controlled the budget in Congress? Did they pass tax cuts? Should we not expect the same results? "The party of fiscal responsibility."

 

[ElChupacabra]

Musks outrage and criticism seems way over the top. The BIg Beautiful Bill has been out there for months. The idea that just now Musk is ranting about it seems contrived. Could be he just found out that EV mandates are out of the bill, but I wont believe this is a real feud until; Trump calls Musk 'overrated.'

Sure, but it's more likely he didn't read any of it like MTG who was equally surprised to just find out there was something in it she didn't like. Well, it actually took her constituents calling her out on it and she said she didn't know it was there, and is now against it.

 

[Serenity]

I imagine there's no going back from this.

Complete clown show.

 

[Pyrite]

What’s disturbing is Trump saying he would cancel Musk owned companies in apparent retribution. The government doesn’t belong to Trump that he whimsically use to punish people he doesn’t like.

The problem is, trump, his minions in the Administration, Republican Congresspersons, and MAGA believe that "The government belongs to trump" and that he has the right to use it "to punish people he doesn't like". Moreover, we're stuck with the rabid right-wing SCOTUS affirmation of this, via that near-absolute immunity it accorded him.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I imagine there's no going back from this.

Complete clown show.

This is definitely the right soundtrack, but where are the boobs? Couldn't we have boobs along with all this madness?

 

[Chomsky]

I would argue most older left leaning people viewed his presidency as highly successful.

You might be surprised how many former Democrats there are who wish the Democrat party never veered from the common sense of Bill Clinton.

I didn't particularly like Bill Clinton. He was too "Slick Willy", for me. Not as fake and plastic as appearing Hillary, because he was much better at hiding it. Still, he was far from authentic.

But . . . he was the consummate politico! Maybe, the best I've seen.

Obama was good. And the best orator I've seen & heard. As well as Clinton could orate, which was very well, he couldn't touch Obama in that. But as a politico, Clinton was the best. Bar none!

The way Clinton tamed Newt Gingrich's Congress was masterful! A literal masterclass.

There once was some bill Gingrich put to Clinton's desk, where Congress believed they had the political power over Willy to get the bill signed.

I watched the live signing ceremony in the Oval Office where Clinton took the bill in hand, and with dramatic flair gave it a large sweeping veto signature, and with just as much flair dramatically closed the folder the bill was in, and handed it back to the individual standing next to him who had earlier given it to him for his signature.

Clinton immediately opened-up the press questioning, and the first question was as to how he could veto the important bill?

Slick Willy masterfully responded to the reporter with something to this effect:

"Congress has to give me something I can sign. That's how the Constitution works. It's Congress's job to produce a bill. They've got to get to work, and give me something to sign. They've got to get to work!"

I don't remember the absolute exact words, but that was pretty close. And just like *that*, on national TV Clinton turned the tables on Newt's Congress putting the onus for failure on them. The rest of the press conference further reinforced the perception that Congress had failed. Clinton used the Bully pulpit absolutely masterfully.

The guy may have been the best politico I've ever seen. He proved it that afternoon. I never forgot that.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm interpreting this as the predicted and inevitable conclusion to a marriage of convenience that was doomed to failure from the start.

To Musk, Donald Trump was a useful idiot who could easily be manipulated into serving his interests and pivoting the broad federal apparatus to serve his aspirations for Mars.

To Trump, Musk is a less intelligent, less physically fit, less attractive, less business savvy sycophant and therefore must supplicate himself with unwavering loyalty to Donald and his children.

This was going to happen, the only question was when.

Beautifully expressed.

 

[Chomsky]

I don't think Musk was ever an outright "hero" to the left but there was a moderate level of respect. From the beginning Musk pushed hard on left-leaning priorities (climate change is real, we must eliminate fossil fuels, clean energy and electrification is the future) while also irritating left-leaning individuals with his attacks on unions, workplace safety etc. I think it was something of a love-hate relationship. This was my take as somebody who has owned his products for well over a decade now. During 2020, Musk backed Andrew Yang and his Universal Basic Income platform--this tells you how much Musk flip-flopped in recent years, from "government should pay a basic salary to every person in the country regardless of whether they work" to "our debt is too high, we must fire people to reduce the deficit" in just 4 years.

If Musk wanted to throw-in with a party, he might have been better with the Dems. If anything, because they embrace EV's, technology, world-trade, and education.