CNN sues Trump and White House Aides for banning Jim Acosta

[Josie]

Political stunt. That's all.

 

[Sabre]

The White House has abandoned the assault narrative.

Interesting, why? He clearly did not "hit" her but just as clearly forcibly blocked and pushed her arm down and away. I realize she was just a conservative intern and a liberal CNN man was manhandling her, but what if it had been a Fox New reporter and the intern was a young liberal woman? I bet the board would be lit like a Christmas tree with condemnations of the reporter.

 

[Cardinal]

Interesting, why? He clearly did not "hit" her but just as clearly forcibly blocked and pushed her arm down and away. I realize she was just a conservative intern and a liberal CNN man was manhandling her, but what if it had been a Fox New reporter and the intern was a young liberal woman? I bet the board would be lit like a Christmas tree with condemnations of the reporter.

They probably abandoned the assault narrative for two reasons:

1)The idea that he assaulted her is bull****.
2)The fact that the White House felt they needed to use a doctored video means they knew it was bull****. Why use a doctored video if you're certain the original video makes your case for you?

 

[jmotivator]

CNN is in the process of suing Donald Trump and several White House aides, Sarah Sanders being one, and others claiming their First and Fifth Amendment are being violated.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/media/cnn-sues-trump/index.html


CNN sues President Trump and top White House aides for barring Jim Acosta

New York (CNN)CNN has filed a lawsuit against President Trump and several of his aides, seeking the immediate restoration of chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta's access to the White House.
The lawsuit is a response to the White House's suspension of Acosta's press pass, known as a Secret Service "hard pass," last week. The suit alleges that Acosta and CNN's First and Fifth Amendment rights are being violated by the ban.
The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday morning.
Both CNN and Acosta are plaintiffs in the lawsuit. There are six defendants: Trump, chief of staff John Kelly, press secretary Sarah Sanders, deputy chief of staff for communications Bill Shine, Secret Service director Joseph Clancy, and the Secret Service officer who took Acosta's hard pass away last Wednesday. The officer is identified as John Doe in the suit, pending his identification.

The six defendants are all named because of their roles in enforcing and announcing Acosta's suspension.

There is no first amendment right to a hard pass to the White House. :roll:

 

[Chillfolks]

If the White House is allowed to pick and choose which reporters news outlets send to cover them, that can go wrong in so many ways. I don't see how it is ruled constitutional, even by SCOTUS as it is now constituted.

Can it be any worse than the WH being forced to accept anyone a news outlet sends?
The WH isn't forbidding CNN from reporting of sending a different reporter, as far as I know, Acosta hasn't lost any right to report or write about the WH.

He had a privilege revoked not sure how that's unconstitutional.

 

[Cardinal]

Renato Mariotti makes the case that CNN has strong standing in their lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1062359986033045505

At the heart of Mariotti's argument:

1)That the White House didn't arrive at its decision neutrally but rather because of Acosta's viewpoint, which can be substantiated by Trump's history of antagonistic behavior toward Acosta personally.
2)That the White House didn't follow due process. In this case, that means that the White House didn't appear to follow any procedural review in making its decision. The White House will in particular be harmed by its changing narrative of the incident.
3) That CNN's right to sue is based on the Administrative Procedure Act, which gives people the right to challenge Federal agencies (in this case being the Secret Service)

The strongest part of the suit will be Trump's own personal antagonistic relationship with Acosta, showing that the White House's decision was based on spite.

 

[HumblePi]

Interesting, why? He clearly did not "hit" her but just as clearly forcibly blocked and pushed her arm down and away. I realize she was just a conservative intern and a liberal CNN man was manhandling her, but what if it had been a Fox New reporter and the intern was a young liberal woman? I bet the board would be lit like a Christmas tree with condemnations of the reporter.

The intern was clearly in the wrong by invading his personal space. But, as any good soldier, she did as she was ordered to do. During the presidential debates in 2016, Trump lurked behind Hillary Clinton like an ominous shadow and he got a lot of criticism for doing that. Indeed, the maintenance of personal space, or a zone of defense around a person, is actually a very basic survival mechanism. It's a scientifically proven fact that all sorts of animals, from insects to monkeys, have a sense of personal space.

Average comfort levels of personal space distance in the U.S.: Approximately 0 to 20 inches for intimate couples. Approximately 1-1/2 feet to 3 feet for good friends and family members. Approximately 3 feet to 10 feet for casual acquaintances and coworkers. The intern clearly breached what's considered the normal space of 3 to 10 feet and she did it aggressively and abruptly. She's at fault, no doubt about it.

All Trump had to do to avoid the 2 hostile incidences he had with the press that day was to answer the f'ing question.

 

[dcsports]

It would be an interesting case.



So Trump lied, stating that he wouldn't kick out reporters and then did. Which isn't too much of a surprise. But there is already precedent for this as well, and that seems to go with CNN.

In this case, it's more of a change of mind. This reporter acted inappropriately. He refused to give up the microphone after he asked a question, then another, and another, continued when he was told his turn was over, then brushed off the aide that was trying to take it. He should get the boot. CNN has other reporters - no one is banning the outlet. It's one guy. This shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Sabre]

They probably abandoned the assault narrative for two reasons:

1)The idea that he assaulted her is bull****.
2)The fact that the White House felt they needed to use a doctored video means they knew it was bull****. Why use a doctored video if you're certain the original video makes your case for you?

Played at any speed he clearly, physically touched and forcibly pushed her arm away. In a libs world that's assault, if it happens to a lib and no, before you go there, that is my opinion not a broad statement of fact.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060354645778935809

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060374680991883265

 

[dcsports]

The intern was clearly in the wrong by invading his personal space. But, as any good soldier, she did as she was ordered to do. During the presidential debates in 2016, Trump lurked behind Hillary Clinton like an ominous shadow and he got a lot of criticism for doing that. Indeed, the maintenance of personal space, or a zone of defense around a person, is actually a very basic survival mechanism. It's a scientifically proven fact that all sorts of animals, from insects to monkeys, have a sense of personal space.

Average comfort levels of personal space distance in the U.S.: Approximately 0 to 20 inches for intimate couples. Approximately 1-1/2 feet to 3 feet for good friends and family members. Approximately 3 feet to 10 feet for casual acquaintances and coworkers. The intern clearly breached what's considered the normal space of 3 to 10 feet and she did it aggressively and abruptly. She's at fault, no doubt about it.

All Trump had to do to avoid the 2 hostile incidences he had with the press that day was to answer the f'ing question.

She was trying to take the microphone when the reporter's turn was over. That's her job.

 

[apdst]

CNN is in the process of suing Donald Trump and several White House aides, Sarah Sanders being one, and others claiming their First and Fifth Amendment are being violated.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/media/cnn-sues-trump/index.html


CNN sues President Trump and top White House aides for barring Jim Acosta

New York (CNN)CNN has filed a lawsuit against President Trump and several of his aides, seeking the immediate restoration of chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta's access to the White House.
The lawsuit is a response to the White House's suspension of Acosta's press pass, known as a Secret Service "hard pass," last week. The suit alleges that Acosta and CNN's First and Fifth Amendment rights are being violated by the ban.
The suit was filed in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday morning.
Both CNN and Acosta are plaintiffs in the lawsuit. There are six defendants: Trump, chief of staff John Kelly, press secretary Sarah Sanders, deputy chief of staff for communications Bill Shine, Secret Service director Joseph Clancy, and the Secret Service officer who took Acosta's hard pass away last Wednesday. The officer is identified as John Doe in the suit, pending his identification.

The six defendants are all named because of their roles in enforcing and announcing Acosta's suspension.

Acosta hasn't been charged with a crime.

 

[Cardinal]

Played at any speed he clearly, physically touched and forcibly pushed her arm away. In a libs world that's assault, if it happens to a lib and no, before you go there, that is my opinion not a broad statement of fact.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060354645778935809

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060374680991883265

Tell that to the White House. They seem to be under the impression that the assault angle is a non-winner. And even if they did feel it was a winner they harmed their position by knowingly using a doctored video. Again: if the original video makes your case, why use a doctored one at all?

 

[Sabre]

Thank you.
Let us know when Trump exercises the Espionage Act on Acosta.

You have me at sort of a loss here, is that meant to be a facetious comment towards what I posted?

 

[HumblePi]

There is no first amendment right to a hard pass to the White House. :roll:

But what is the objective for barring a reporter who has held credentials through 3 presidential terms? What's the real point? The argument is that the point is that he simply did not like the questions. The press has a guaranteed right under the Constitution to ask questions. A president that feels he can simply eliminate those press members who give him hardball questions that he doesn't want to answer is at the very least out of line and abusing his presidential powers in addition to his actions being unconstitutional.

 

[akyron]

It would be an interesting case.



So Trump lied, stating that he wouldn't kick out reporters and then did. Which isn't too much of a surprise. But there is already precedent for this as well, and that seems to go with CNN.

JA is only larping. He is no reporter.

 

[HumblePi]

She was trying to take the microphone when the reporter's turn was over. That's her job.

NO, that is not the way to get the microphone back, she's not supposed to aggressively just storm over and grab at it repeatedly. That's just wrong.

 

[jmotivator]

Renato Mariotti makes the case that CNN has strong standing in their lawsuit.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1062359986033045505

At the heart of Mariotti's argument:

1)That the White House didn't arrive at its decision neutrally but rather because of Acosta's viewpoint, which can be substantiated by Trump's history of antagonistic behavior toward Acosta personally.
2)That the White House didn't follow due process. In this case, that means that the White House didn't appear to follow any procedural review in making its decision. The White House will in particular be harmed by its changing narrative of the incident.
3) That CNN's right to sue is based on the Administrative Procedure Act, which gives people the right to challenge Federal agencies (in this case being the Secret Service)

The strongest part of the suit will be Trump's own personal antagonistic relationship with Acosta, showing that the White House's decision was based on spite.

There is no right granted to anyone to have a seat at a press conference. That is entirely handled by the President and the Secret Service. There are more reporters in this country who don't have a hard pass to the White House than who do... are their rights infringed? There are limited seats in the press room, nobody is guaranteed a seat. Major news outlets are given a seat out of courtesy, but not as a constitutional right.

Acosta was denied an open door, and he can apply for temporary passes and go through the same process of all other reporters not on the short list. That will satisfy the "due process". If the Secret Service decides that his unwillingness to cooperate with the standard decorum poses a security risk then he'll be denied actual access via due process. If he is approved then they can seat him... but they don't have to call on him.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Perhaps he could have sued, but Obama didn't strip him of his Press Credentials, which is what Trump has done here.

No they actually violated his first and fourth amendment rights, criminally and civilly. The pass doesn't belong to Acosta but to the news organization he reports for. He can still report, he just overstepped without realizing he isn't guaranteed access to a limited resource.

Lesson: don't be a prick just because you can.

 

[akyron]

CNN is being excluded?

 

[Cardinal]

There is no right granted to anyone to have a seat at a press conference. That is entirely handled by the President and the Secret Service. There are more reporters in this country who don't have a hard pass to the White House than who do... are their rights infringed? There are limited seats in the press room, nobody is guaranteed a seat. Major news outlets are given a seat out of courtesy, but not as a constitutional right.

Acosta was denied an open door, and he can apply for temporary passes and go through the same process of all other reporters not on the short list. That will satisfy the "due process". If the Secret Service decides that his unwillingness to cooperate with the standard decorum poses a security risk then he'll be denied actual access via due process. If he is approved then they can seat him... but they don't have to call on him.

Your post deals with the due process for granting access, not removing it.

 

[akyron]

JA seems to wish he had a 2nd amendment right in that press room.

 

[OpportunityCost]

But what is the objective for barring a reporter who has held credentials through 3 presidential terms? What's the real point? The argument is that the point is that he simply did not like the questions. The press has a guaranteed right under the Constitution to ask questions. A president that feels he can simply eliminate those press members who give him hardball questions that he doesn't want to answer is at the very least out of line and abusing his presidential powers in addition to his actions being unconstitutional.

Acosta's badgering and monopolizing press conferences is well known. He asks multiple follow ups and begins new inquiries without allowing other reporters to speak or ask questions. Acosta's quest for the spotlight backfired because he kept pushing the limits of decorum instead of following them.

Its not about refusing to answer hardball questions, its about refusing to answer them from a belligerent ass.

 

[Superfly]

Try to sell that lie all you want, but we all saw the video.

Hate to Godwin this thread, but it should probably be mentioned here:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Geobbels.

They saw the same thing we did, but if they keep repeating over and over that it was Acosta's fault, and not the intern's fault, people will start believing it. This thread is proof of such.

 

[HumblePi]

JA is only larping. He is no reporter.

Jim Acosta has Bachelor's Degree in mass communication, with a minor in political science, from James Madison University. Keep in mind that this is the second credentialed reporter that has been banned by the White House for personal reasons. Kaitlan Collins was banned from attending a press conference by the White House also.

If you don't think she's a reporter either, she graduated from the University of Alabama with a Bachelor of Arts in journalism and political science.

Here's a test, check the professional education and degrees in journalism held by Sean Hannity, see how many degrees he holds that support his career professionally. Wait....don't bother, the answer is zero-none-nada-0.

 

[Anthony60]

Did he have his Press credentials removed?

Trump supporters crying over disrespectful behavior is laughable at best. They endorse bad, disrespectful behavior through continued support of Trump's rhetoric. So I won't be spared because if you're going to defend the stuff Trump says, who is elected to the highest office of land and that does demand a high level of decorum, then there's no leg to stand on because Acosta aggressively questioned the President about things he didn't want questions on. There's court precedent on this as well.

Acosta has to follow the rules of the Press room. Just because you don't like the things Trump does, doesn't mean Acosta can do whatever he wants in the press room. One has nothing to do with the other, Acosta has to follow the rules.