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CNN said:
Why Obama doesn't dare become the 'angry black man'
By John Blake, CNN
June 9, 2010 1:26 p.m. EDT


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Some of the same people crying for Obama to show more emotion would have voted against him if he had displayed anger during his presidential run, says William Jelani Cobb, author of "The Substance of Hope: Barack Obama and the Paradox of Progress."

"It would have fed deeply into a pre-existing set of narratives about the angry black man," Cobb says. "The anger would have gotten in the way. He would have frightened off white voters who were interested in him because he seemed to be like the black guy they worked with or went to graduate school with -- not a black guy who is threatening."

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Obama, though, has spent a lifetime trying to rewrite that script, says Street, who says he worked with Obama in Chicago.

"He is Mr. Equanimity and Mr. Consolation," says Street. "That's how he negotiated his way through multiple worlds, and reached out across bridges."

In his 1995 memoir, "Dreams of My Father," Obama explained why he thought such negotiation was necessary when he met white people as a young man growing up in Hawaii.

"People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry."

If Obama wants to go down as a great president, though, he may have to discover the political value of rage, others say.
Why Obama doesn't dare become the 'angry black man' - CNN.com

So CNN is now making the excuse that Obama cannot show genuine anger without offending white voters who would view him as an "angry black man". The Presidents inaction, inability to lead and his inability to show genuine anger is all because of whitey or more succinctly - white discrimination. When all other excuses fail... the media has to play the race card, right?
 

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LOL. The lengths some racists will stoop to deflect and defend with subtle charges of "racism"

He should have gone all the way and referrenced "Reefer Madness"
 
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Why Obama doesn't dare become the 'angry black man' - CNN.com

So CNN is now making the excuse that Obama cannot show genuine anger without offending white voters who would view him as an "angry black man". The Presidents inaction, inability to lead and his inability to show genuine anger is all because of whitey or more succinctly - white discrimination. When all other excuses fail... the media has to play the race card, right?
CNN is telling the truth, the angry black man is personified by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and if Barack Obama looked like them, he would be nowhere.
 

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CNN is telling the truth, the angry black man is personified by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and if Barack Obama looked like them, he would be nowhere.
Would you agree if he were white, and came off like an angry white dude, he'd be nowhere as well? Or is all criticism of Obama simply rooted in subtle, systemic racism?

Laughable.
 
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Hey guys.

Why should Obama display anger anyway? Would that help him getting policies through? Do you think displaying anger somehow is a requirement for good leadership?

I'm not sure I understand what the article is getting at.
 

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The race card works 100 percent of the time on stupid people. It's also the always the standby default retort of the Democrat party.
 

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The left plays the race card so often it makes me dizzy. The people I know don't care about such things. They judge people by their actions, not the color of their skin. In my opinion there was no anger when Obama used the A word. It was all contrived. He's going to use this disaster to his full advantage to further destroy our economy with a Cap and Trade bill. Although the name will be changed to try and fool the uninformed. As has been spoken by those in the WH," Never let a crisis go to waste."
Donkeys are Asses, so I say kick the asses out of office before there is no turning back. I don't give a hoot what race they are. I only know we are on a fast track to socialism.
 

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CNN is telling the truth, the angry black man is personified by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and if Barack Obama looked like them, he would be nowhere.
and that is what pisses off the racists
 

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CNN is telling the truth, the angry black man is personified by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and if Barack Obama looked like them, he would be nowhere.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton display the "Angry Black Man" when trying to deamonize white people as racists over issues they don't know any of the details behind (Duke Lacrosse for example).
Being an "Angry Black Man" over something like the BP Oil Spill, or the fact that Mexican Military is pointing guns at our investigating Agents on the border, now that would not be viewed in a negative racist manner.

A little intellectual honesty please.

Hey guys.

Why should Obama display anger anyway? Would that help him getting policies through? Do you think displaying anger somehow is a requirement for good leadership?

I'm not sure I understand what the article is getting at.
Good Point. Me either.


and that is what pisses off the racists
I could have predicted you would fall in line with this.
 

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Whether or not this is ridiculous, Obama himself believes it.
He expounds at length about it- as well as other aspects of race and identity and how these factors shaped him into who he is- in his memoir (which, I always feel it's important to note, was written before he was 30; before he could've possibly entertained any realistic presidential aspirations).

In his memoir, Obama does not present these ideas as excuses why he has to pretend to be someone else or keep his feelings in check, but rather to explain why he is who he is.
He is a reserved man.
It is not an act. He is not "hiding his rage". He is not prone to emotionalism.
He is a bit of a cold fish, a bit of a bloodless, pedantic intellectual, and he knows it; and part of the reason for that is these racial factors he grew up with.
It's not that racial factors are presently forcing him to live a lie; it's that the version of himself he presents to the world is in fact his true self, and one of the factors that shaped him into the person he is, is the racial prejudices and stereotypes of the society in which he grew up.
He observed/intuited from an early age- late childhood or early teens- that whites (including his own grandmother) are sometimes threatened by and/or distrustful of unknown black males because of their skin color.
This realization affected him profoundly, and caused him to develop into a type of black male that society would not be threatened by.
It's not an act, and I believe that the issues he cites as factors are legitimate.
 
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Why is it any time some one even perceived as liberal mentions race, they are "playing the race card"?
 

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Why is it any time some one even perceived as liberal mentions race, they are "playing the race card"?
When one uses race as an excuse, its displaying the race card.

Get over your race, and get a better excuse.
That goes for anyone.
 

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CNN is telling the truth, the angry black man is personified by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and if Barack Obama looked like them, he would be nowhere.
My parents never told me that. Instead, they purdy much told me, just don't show my ass in public, unless I had a damn good reason and I was in the right.

As far as looking like Sharpton and Jackson, that's more to do with looking like a stupid ****ing idiot asshole, rather than an angry blackman.
 

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Why is it any time some one even perceived as liberal mentions race, they are "playing the race card"?
Because it's true. That's why.

The, "race card", is just about all the Leftists have to beat anyone up with, when it comes to defending Obama, or any other Libbo politico, for that matter.
 

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When one uses race as an excuse, its displaying the race card.

Get over your race, and get a better excuse.
That goes for anyone.
There is no excuse here. There is an explanation as to why it would be politically bad for Obama to be publicly angry.
 

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Because it's true. That's why.

The, "race card", is just about all the Leftists have to beat anyone up with, when it comes to defending Obama, or any other Libbo politico, for that matter.
It's conservatives who seem fixated on race. I rarely bring it up.
 

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There is no excuse here. There is an explanation as to why it would be politically bad for Obama to be publicly angry.
An Excuse as to why he can't show his anger.
 

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It's conservatives who seem fixated on race. I rarely bring it up.
Redress might not bring it up often, and I would agree with that, but Leftists are the Quick-Draw McGraws with the race card.

Hell, I'm black and I've been called a racist on this forum by Libbos.
 

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Not wanting to jump in by accusing anybody of anything. Just a thought:

I think we all can agree that racism does exist. Also, racism, in many cases, does not come along with malice or awareness. Those who proudly claim white pride or consciously say "whites are better than blacks" are a tiny fringe minority. Maintaining too generalizing stereotypes that necessarily have influence on our actions, even without being aware of them, is probably the most dominant form of racism these days. You often hear people say things like "of course I don't hate blacks, I even have black friends, but ...", and of course they believe that, and don't think they are racist ... but what follows makes soon obvious they still have a certain stereotype in mind. Malice and hatred may be one basis for racism, but much more often, it's simplistic thinking, reliance on apparently harmless stereotypes and very subtle attitudes. Racism must not be blatant. In fact, most of the time it is not, and comes with many seemingly harmless disguises.

Maybe we should keep that in mind when accusing anybody of racism, or accusing anybody of -- implicitly without justification -- "playing the race card".

Just my two cents.
 

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Gotta admit. When Obama spouted that he be looking "for some ass to kick" he did get met with a bit of ridicule blowback ( not sayin' that was bad, and i was part of it). And the ass kicking line did sound kinda silly and out of character for him (Obama).

Like any President, his actions need to live up to the dignity of the office. Obama just happens to be in a tough Political PR spot with his "inability" to fix the oil spill. Unfortunately there is really not much he can do about the spill, so he is trying to look real mad about it. Might work....:shrug:


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Malice and hatred may be one basis for racism, but much more often, it's simplistic thinking, reliance on apparently harmless stereotypes and very subtle attitudes.

Yes, these are not so harmless to children when their identities and self-images are developing.
Especially biracial children raised in all-white families, in all-white enclaves.
Obama's openness and eloquence about his coming-of-age experiences really opened my eyes to that.
 

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Gotta admit. When Obama spouted that he be looking "for some ass to kick" he did get met with a bit of ridicule blowback ( not sayin' that was bad, and i was part of it). And the ass kicking line did sound kinda silly and out of character for him (Obama).

Yes, I believe he was ill-advised by his PR team.
He needs to just be himself, whether the public likes it or not.

That is not the reality of being president in the video age, however.
Presidents for the past 50 years or so - all of them- have had to be extremely image-conscious.

I imagine someone on Obama's staff advised him that he was losing popularity because his reluctance to express rage about the oil spill made him seem unconcerned about it in the eyes of America.
I think he was just trying to express to us that he does in fact care.
However, it sounded silly and incongruous, and not spontaneous at all.
I think he's a compassionate man, and he should express his dismay over the oil spill in those terms, rather than in "tough talk" that merely sounds unnatural coming from him.
 
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There is no excuse here. There is an explanation as to why it would be politically bad for Obama to be publicly angry.
No, it's an excuse and a dumbassed excuse at that.
 

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Whether or not this is ridiculous, Obama himself believes it.
He expounds at length about it- as well as other aspects of race and identity and how these factors shaped him into who he is- in his memoir (which, I always feel it's important to note, was written before he was 30; before he could've possibly entertained any realistic presidential aspirations).

In his memoir, Obama does not present these ideas as excuses why he has to pretend to be someone else or keep his feelings in check, but rather to explain why he is who he is.
He is a reserved man.
It is not an act. He is not "hiding his rage". He is not prone to emotionalism.
He is a bit of a cold fish, a bit of a bloodless, pedantic intellectual, and he knows it; and part of the reason for that is these racial factors he grew up with.
It's not that racial factors are presently forcing him to live a lie; it's that the version of himself he presents to the world is in fact his true self, and one of the factors that shaped him into the person he is, is the racial prejudices and stereotypes of the society in which he grew up.
He observed/intuited from an early age- late childhood or early teens- that whites (including his own grandmother) are sometimes threatened by and/or distrustful of unknown black males because of their skin color.
This realization affected him profoundly, and caused him to develop into a type of black male that society would not be threatened by.
It's not an act, and I believe that the issues he cites as factors are legitimate.
Be careful of what you believe in political biographies.
They are heavily laden with propaganda, no matter which party the person writing it comes from.
 

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Not wanting to jump in by accusing anybody of anything. Just a thought:

I think we all can agree that racism does exist. Also, racism, in many cases, does not come along with malice or awareness. Those who proudly claim white pride or consciously say "whites are better than blacks" are a tiny fringe minority. Maintaining too generalizing stereotypes that necessarily have influence on our actions, even without being aware of them, is probably the most dominant form of racism these days. You often hear people say things like "of course I don't hate blacks, I even have black friends, but ...", and of course they believe that, and don't think they are racist ... but what follows makes soon obvious they still have a certain stereotype in mind. Malice and hatred may be one basis for racism, but much more often, it's simplistic thinking, reliance on apparently harmless stereotypes and very subtle attitudes. Racism must not be blatant. In fact, most of the time it is not, and comes with many seemingly harmless disguises.

Maybe we should keep that in mind when accusing anybody of racism, or accusing anybody of -- implicitly without justification -- "playing the race card".

Just my two cents.
Assuming someone is going to have specific thoughts or react in a specific manner based upon race with no evidence whatsoever is racism, or at the very least, "playing the race card".

There is no need or reason to bring this issue up, thus its playing the race card.
 
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