CNN on the Attack Against Progressive Candidates

[Geoist]

Which of your posts in this thread do you think addresses the point I noted?

I stated in this thread that it is one thing to report on things that surface about candidates, but oftentimes with the corporate media it is calculated. Do you think it is a coincidence the misconduct claims against Bernie’s campaign just came out now? It wasn’t even anything directly connected with his behavior, for God’s sake. Do you think it is a coincidence the critical articles from the network target progressives over status quo Dems?

 

[Xelor]

I don’t mean they would crown anyone publicly. Supporting a candidate once primary dust settles is one thing. Trying to bring down candidates before their campaigns get rolling is another thing.

Are you among DP's conspiracy theorists?

 

[Xelor]

I stated in this thread that it is one thing to report on things that surface about candidates, but oftentimes with the corporate media it is calculated. Do you think it is a coincidence the misconduct claims against Bernie’s campaign just came out now? It wasn’t even anything directly connected with his behavior, for God’s sake. Do you think it is a coincidence the critical articles from the network target progressives over status quo Dems?

Red:
Please provide probative positive information in support of that assertion.

 

[Geoist]

It's pretty standard to include a link when you start a thread... No one should have to ask for one. Otherwise, the assumption is that you're making stuff up.

Why would that be the assumption when it has been pretty obvious for a while now CNN does hit pieces on progressive presidential candidates? Usually I add a link but I am posting on a different device today and sometimes it is a pain to copy and paste stuff from it.

Some examples:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hgaChWygbAs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQUN9M0RBw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mIF60Ds9I
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uHKPNbeEBng

 

[Geoist]

Are you among DP's conspiracy theorists?

If you think the corporate media does not try to shape American minds to conform to their agenda then I don’t have anything else to say to you. You’ve picked your side. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Obscurity]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing that marriage is a union between man and woman.

There is also absolutely nothing wrong with voicing opposition to extremes on any side of any issue.

You can hold whatever views you want. As long as we are treated equally under the law, opinions of individuals are useless.

Gabbard is an absolutely EXCELLENT candidate in most regards.

 

[Geoist]

Red:
That woman's life has been essentially an "open book" since sometime in the 1980s. What would have CNN do? Rehash all their existing Hillary Clinton reporting from the prior 20+ years? I have news for you: that information isn't new; thus it's not news. It's called "history" and one can obtain it from myriad archived sources, CNN among them. For example:

• General overview
• Whitewater
• H. Clinton on B. Clinton's affairs

Actually, that is what the media does: bring up old news, especially in this world of 24/7 news/commentary.

 

[pilot16]

It is no coincidence, for sure. I don’t know if CNN knows who to crown yet. You can bet they’d want someone who is moderate establishment. Fairly liberal on social issues, but moderate-conservative on economic issues. I’m sure Biden is in their sights.

Most tv news is corporate owned these days so I suspect if we dug deeper we might find a particular candidate that shares their interests and donors.

 

[Geoist]

The extreme left are not communist or anarchist . That in itself is an extreme opinion.

What on Earth are you talking about...

 

[pilot16]

Does CNN even announce what candidate it supports? Newspapers do. Off the top of my head, I can't recall TV (OTA or cable) news networks doing so.

No but they are pretty obvious. In 2016 the ratings went up when Trump was shown so they covered him, constantly. He got tons of free campaign ads that way to get his name out. Even to the point where they showed empty podiums waiting for him to speak. So while they may not pick a specific candidate, there are sure things they can do to either support or get a name out.

 

[Fledermaus]

Who is ‘you guys?’ CNN is declared leftist by Trumpists who get their ‘news’ from Drudge and Rushbo. Are you saying I’m a Trumpist?

You really need to look back a few decades.... It was nicknamed the "Clinton News Network" for their fawning over President Clinton.

 

[Geoist]

You really need to look back a few decades.... It was nicknamed the "Clinton News Network" for their fawning over President Clinton.

No doubt CNN prefers the Clinton-establishment-types. Clintons are moderate-left, at best, and that would pertain to only some issues.

 

[Fledermaus]

No doubt CNN prefers the Clinton-establishment-types. Clintons are moderate-left, at best, and that would pertain to only some issues.

But there has been and continues to be a left lean to CNN. Some of the time more obvious than other times.

It is Ying to Fox Yang.

 

[pilot16]

But there has been and continues to be a left lean to CNN. Some of the time more obvious than other times.

It is Ying to Fox Yang.

CNN is more the moderate voice. FOX leans right, MSNBC leans left. CNN used to support GW and his Iraq war. It may seem they slant a bit center left now due to Trump due to the GOP being further right. CNN will favor Beto or Biden likely.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

No doubt CNN prefers the Clinton-establishment-types. Clintons are moderate-left, at best, and that would pertain to only some issues.

New Democrats, Blue Dogs and Third Way are actually conservative-leaning Democrats IIRC.

 

[beancounter]

What on Earth are you talking about...

Lazy deflection...

Why don't you tell me why you think that Communist or Anarchist represent the extreme Left.

Better yet, give me examples of any serious Democrat that advocates Communism or Anarchy.

 

[joko104]

CNN's view is that they get to pick the Democratic Party's nominee for president and they haven't decided who it will be yet plus those they name probably did not ask CNN's permission to run for president in advance.

 

[Into the Night]

It's pretty standard to include a link when you start a thread... No one should have to ask for one. Otherwise, the assumption is that you're making stuff up.

This is a bad assumption. In philosophy, for example,no outside references are used as the predicate. The reasoning for the argument must be presented with the argument itself. Pointing to the arguments of others is not relevant, and a sign of lazy thinking.

The extreme left are not communist or anarchist . That in itself is an extreme opinion.

The extreme left are the PC obsessed Social justice warriors, who spend their days doxing anyone who doesn't conform to their ideology.

First, there is no 'extreme' here. Socialists are the left. They want to implement socialism by hook or by crook. There are two forms of socialism: communism or fascism. Under communism, the government nationalizes your property and business. Under fascism, you keep your property and business, but the government tells you how to run it.

Socialism can only exist by stealing wealth.

The so-called 'social justice warriors' are simply those who are using political correctness to implement socialist goals. It's about nothing less than replacing the United States with an oligarchy form of government (dictatorship by committee).

These are the people who endlessly talk in terms of oppression Olympics and identity politics.

Yup. Because people naturally reject their stuff being taken, they have to couch their message. Changing the language by redefining words to suit their purpose when convenient is a common practice.

 

[Into the Night]

CNN is a corporation. Since when have corporations been left-wing?

Corporations are made up of people.The leaders of that corporation may be conservative, liberal, Christian, atheist, capitalist, or socialist; just like people are already.

To lump all corporations into one political opinion is a fallacy, known as a compositional error. It is the same fallacy behind bigotry and racism.

Since corporations are made up of people, making a compositional error involving them is involving people as the class. This is bigotry.

CNN is indeed a liberal corporation. Most news agencies are, since liberal propaganda is often to look as a 'crisis', and CNN is in the business of selling 'news'. Like the neighborhood gossip, it is the 'crisis' that is exciting information.

The difference between the neighborhood gossip, CNN, and the National Enquirer is actually quite small.

 

[Into the Night]

Lazy deflection...

Why don't you tell me why you think that Communist or Anarchist represent the extreme Left.

Better yet, give me examples of any serious Democrat that advocates Communism or Anarchy.

You are quite right. Most Democrats advocate fascism rather than communism.

 

[beancounter]

This is a bad assumption. In philosophy, for example,no outside references are used as the predicate. The reasoning for the argument must be presented with the argument itself. Pointing to the arguments of others is not relevant, and a sign of lazy thinking.

The OP stated that "CNN said...." When you claim that someone or thing has done or said something, it is reasonable to provide a link to show what was done or said.

The vast majority of posters provide a link when discussing news.

The OP was not discussing philosophy....

 

[beancounter]

You are quite right. Most Democrats advocate fascism rather than communism.

Nope, not most Democrats. Just those on the extreme Left.

 

[Xelor]

If you think the corporate media does not try to shape American minds to conform to their agenda then I don’t have anything else to say to you. You’ve picked your side. Ignorance is bliss.

Red:

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[JasperL]

Corporations are made up of people.The leaders of that corporation may be conservative, liberal, Christian, atheist, capitalist, or socialist; just like people are already.

To lump all corporations into one political opinion is a fallacy, known as a compositional error. It is the same fallacy behind bigotry and racism.

It's not a fallacy to assume that a corporation that's #10 on the Fortune 500 list isn't headed up by liberals, but by people whose business units serve their interests and the interests of major shareholders. If your beef is the comment didn't point out that it's a major multinational publicly traded corporation, that's fine but we all know that AT&T is such, and pointing it out redundant for most purposes.

Since corporations are made up of people, making a compositional error involving them is involving people as the class. This is bigotry.

Again, the corporation, ultimately AT&T, has a duty to shareholders to maximize profits, and all their business units and decisions within those units seen with that obligation in mind, because it's what drives their every major decision. Acknowledging that isn't bigotry but rational.

CNN is indeed a liberal corporation. Most news agencies are, since liberal propaganda is often to look as a 'crisis', and CNN is in the business of selling 'news'. Like the neighborhood gossip, it is the 'crisis' that is exciting information.

The difference between the neighborhood gossip, CNN, and the National Enquirer is actually quite small.

Asserting your baseless conclusions with no evidence isn't support for your conclusion. Since when is a duty to maximize profits for shareholders a 'liberal' value? Do you think CNN would push stories that would interfere with that overall goal? And is the difference between CNN and neighborhood gossip small, or are you suggesting that all media outlets who have the same goal of making money are essentially indistinguishable or nearly so from gossip? Why would other news orgs differ from CNN?

 

[Rickeroo]

CNN's view is that they get to pick the Democratic Party's nominee for president and they haven't decided who it will be yet plus those they name probably did not ask CNN's permission to run for president in advance.

Agree. We'll learn soon enough who CNN favors as the democratic candidate through its fair and objective reporting.