Yeah, I agree. Here is what it means:It would be nice if people understood what Herd Immunity really was, and what it would mean in the case of covid-19.
Today, the Swedish rate for cases per million is 9,181 and the European average is 7,181.I see the Chinese bot has the talking points uploaded properly, Too bad every single sentence in your rent is a lie.
Today, the German rate for cases per million is 3,482 and that of Latvia (the lowest of the 12 countries that have a lower cases per million rate than Germany has) is 970.Maybe except for Germany having the lowest infection rates.
When did I suggest I was advocating for herd immunity?Yeah, I agree. Here is what it means:
Herd immunity BEGINS to help with highly infectious agents like Covid when at least 70% of the people in a population are immune. WIthout a vaccine here is the math:
Approximate population of the US: 300,000,000x.70 (70% immunity)=210,000,000x.02 (conservative mortality rate)=4,200,000 dead Americans.
Now, the more infectious the disease the higher the percentage that is required for herd immunity. For measles, which is a bit more infectious, about 90% of a population needs to be immune. Furthermore, no one knows how long lasting immunity will be with Covid (with measles, its lifelong). If people can catch Covid again in a year the whole concept of herd immunity is irrelevant.
Still think herd immunity is a great idea?
So what?I don’t believe the numbers.
OK, so what is the number of deaths in the US that you would consider to be "an appropriate cost for normal life"?And even so 5000 is a very low cost for normal life.
I see, so you ARE one of those for whom "The Right To Life" ends at birth.Yes I do believe life is sacred. However the government has no affirmative duty to protect your life at infinite expense. If it is a moral command to destroy people’s livliehoods over 5000 deaths then we must lock down every winter for the flu. Because every Individual life is sacred. Now I do believe every individual life is sacred, but the lives of a group of people collectively are not. And that is the only logical mindset if you are going to govern any kind of a successful society. Life is not free of risk. Those 5000 people did not have a nonforfeitable right to survive at all costs.
You might findAnyone being honest will admit that it's genuinely too early to know which strategies will prove to have been most effective in reducing the long-term impacts of covid.
It may well take decades to truly assess and even realize these effects.
I did not mean to imply that you were suggesting that at all. I was simply presenting what it would take to achieve herd immunity for the benefit of those who have not thought it through. There are some of them out there.When did I suggest I was advocating for herd immunity?