CNN.com No Red Line

[CalGun]

It's 9:30 PM PST and less than 12 hours ago the president said the red line he called out a year ago was the worlds, not his, it was congresses not his, and even though his second sentence a year ago claimed crossing such a line effected ME ( meaning him) it was now everyone else's (the worlds) red line not his. It sickens me journalism is so dead he isn't properly chastised for this deceit and so many others. It really is clear, the bias in the media, when CNN.com can't even present a link to the story on their home page some 12 hrs later.

Anything for their dictator.

 

[specklebang]

It's 9:30 PM PST and less than 12 hours ago the president said the red line he called out a year ago was the worlds, not his, it was congresses not his, and even though his second sentence a year ago claimed crossing such a line effected ME ( meaning him) it was now everyone else's (the worlds) red line not his. It sickens me journalism is so dead he isn't properly chastised for this deceit and so many others. It really is clear, the bias in the media, when CNN.com can't even present a link to the story on their home page some 12 hrs later. Anything for their dictator.

So what would you like to see happen? What would make this OK?

If CNN goes after him and chastises him (your term) how will life be improved for anyone? Wouldn't we be better off to let him get out of any commitment and have a reason to not do this foolish invasion? Do you think this going to war is wise?

It's a real question.

 

[Moot]

Obama is correct....the world drew the red line first....


"...The first world war was the first occasion on which chemical weapons were used on a large scale in war. The results of these attacks, mostly on British and German soldiers, were so horrendous that a prohibition of their use was included in the 1925 Geneva Protocol – subsequently ratified by 138 nations. This was the first formal recognition that the use of chemical weapons is a red line for the world community.....

Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com


Syria signed and ratified the Geneva protocol....


List of parties to the Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[specklebang]

Obama is correct....the world drew the red line first....
"...The first world war was the first occasion on which chemical weapons were used on a large scale in war. The results of these attacks, mostly on British and German soldiers, were so horrendous that a prohibition of their use was included in the 1925 Geneva Protocol – subsequently ratified by 138 nations. This was the first formal recognition that the use of chemical weapons is a red line for the world community.....
Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com

Syria signed and ratified the Geneva protocol....

List of parties to the Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't see much of "the world" stepping up to the plate here. How gracious of them to mandate our responsibilities. Do we not have enough enemies already?

 

[Moot]

I don't see much of "the world" stepping up to the plate here. How gracious of them to mandate our responsibilities. Do we not have enough enemies already?

Many of the Arab countries are stepping up the plate. But who knows which rebels they support. Our allies, Turkey, Jordan and Israel are stepping up to the plate as well.



"...A failure to act after the Assad regime has crossed that red line would be akin to the world retreating and setting a new, weaker standard without a fight. No state other than Syria has dared to cross the line of chemical weapons use in a quarter-century. If we do not act today, we have set a new world precedent that says the use of chemical weapons is frowned upon, but there will be no serious consequences. We should not retreat so easily without serious consideration of what we would be sacrificing for the future....."

Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com

 

[specklebang]

Many of the Arab countries are stepping up the plate. But who knows which rebels they support. Our allies, Turkey, Jordan and Israel are stepping up to the plate as well.

"...A failure to act after the Assad regime has crossed that red line would be akin to the world retreating and setting a new, weaker standard without a fight. No state other than Syria has dared to cross the line of chemical weapons use in a quarter-century. If we do not act today, we have set a new world precedent that says the use of chemical weapons is frowned upon, but there will be no serious consequences. We should not retreat so easily without serious consideration of what we would be sacrificing for the future....."

Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com

What's your definition of "stepping up to the plate"? There is no weapon shortage in the ME, Europe or anywhere else. Even tinpot dictators in obscure African countries have armies. So unless "stepping up to the plate" means they're ready to fire missiles they paid for themselves, it's really just us as usual using the WMD excuse - as usual.

 

[Bronson]

Obama is correct....the world drew the red line first....


"...The first world war was the first occasion on which chemical weapons were used on a large scale in war. The results of these attacks, mostly on British and German soldiers, were so horrendous that a prohibition of their use was included in the 1925 Geneva Protocol – subsequently ratified by 138 nations. This was the first formal recognition that the use of chemical weapons is a red line for the world community.....

Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com


Syria signed and ratified the Geneva protocol....


List of parties to the Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Keep in mind the rebels are controlled by Al Qaeda. Obama is funding and supporting them.

US President Barack Obama in 'red line' warning to Syria over chemical weapons - YouTube

 

[Moot]

What's your definition of "stepping up to the plate"? There is no weapon shortage in the ME, Europe or anywhere else. Even tinpot dictators in obscure African countries have armies. So unless "stepping up to the plate" means they're ready to fire missiles they paid for themselves, it's really just us as usual using the WMD excuse - as usual.

Israel is testing out it's missles....

US-Israel missile test as Syria war tensions rise (+video) - CSMonitor.com

Turkey is turning it's missles towards Syria...

Turkey rotates missiles toward Syria - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[Fisher]

Israel is testing out it's missles....

US-Israel missile test as Syria war tensions rise (+video) - CSMonitor.com

Turkey is turning it's missles towards Syria...

Turkey rotates missiles toward Syria - Xinhua | English.news.cn

seriously? they are preparing for the poopstorm that will follow a US attack, not using their missiles to say no to Syria.

 

[Moot]

Keep in mind the rebels are controlled by Al Qaeda. Obama is funding and supporting them.

US President Barack Obama in 'red line' warning to Syria over chemical weapons - YouTube

There are about three or four different factions of rebels. The US, Israel, Turkey support the opposition New Syrian Army. Saudi Arabia supports the Sunnis. Kurds support the Kurds. Qatar and Sudan support Al Qaeda.

 

[Moot]

seriously? they are preparing for the poopstorm that will follow a US attack, not using their missiles to say no to Syria.

Isreal has already fired missles into Syria....

Israel Fires Missile Into Syria In Response To Golan Heights Border Fire

 

[Bronson]

There are about three or four different factions of rebels. The US, Israel, Turkey support the opposition New Syrian Army. Saudi Arabia supports the Sunnis. Kurds support the Kurds. Qatar and Sudan support Al Qaeda.

Obama also supports Al Qaeda

It's been reported from multiple sources (outside the WH talking points bubble) that Al Qaeda clearly controls the rebels.

 

[Moot]

Obama also supports Al Qaeda

It's been reported from multiple sources (outside the WH talking points bubble) that Al Qaeda clearly controls the rebels.

The Al Qaeda jihadists disagree. They think Obama will target them....

BBC News - Syria jihadist rebels prepare for US attack

So what happens if Al Qaeda gets hold of Assad's chemical weapons? What will you say then?


The Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad said a US strike will benefit Al Qaeda. But then he also denies the Syrian army used chemical weapons. But since you're making the claim that Obama supports Al Qaeda why don't you provide your source(s).

 

[Jetboogieman]

Anything for their dictator.

And anything for you and your BITCHING.

Jesus christ... you bitch if he acts by himself, you bitch if he submits to congress. you bitch if he draws breath.

You bitch.

No.

Matter.

What.

 

[Moot]

Isreal has already fired missles into Syria....

Israel Fires Missile Into Syria In Response To Golan Heights Border Fire

Israel has attacked Syria several times already.....



BEIRUT, Lebanon — A series of powerful explosions rocked the outskirts of Damascus early Sunday morning, which Syrian state television said was the result of Israeli missile attacks on a Syrian military installation.

If true, it would be the second Israeli airstrike in Syria in two days and the third this year.

The airstrike that Israeli warplanes carried out in Syria overnight on Thursday was directed at a shipment of advanced surface-to-surface missiles from Iran that Israel believed was intended for Hezbollah, American officials said Saturday. That strike was aimed at disrupting the arms pipeline that runs from Syria to Hezbollah, the militant Lebanese organization, and it highlighted the mounting stakes for Hezbollah and Israel as Syria becomes more chaotic.

On Sunday, the Syrian government said that the Israelis had launched a missile attack against the military complex at Jamraya just outside Damascus overnight.

The Jamraya complex, the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center, is Syria’s main research center for work on biological and chemical weapons, American officials have said, raising questions about whether the motivation for the attack went beyond stopping the flow of arms to Hezbollah. The Israeli raid in January was in the same area and the complex suffered moderate damage in that attack....read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/w...t-was-hit-by-strikes-from-israeli-planes.html

 

[Fisher]

Isreal has already fired missles into Syria....

Israel Fires Missile Into Syria In Response To Golan Heights Border Fire

Not in response to them using chemical weapons on their own people, and likewise, their attack on the Syrian nuke facility a few years back also was about Israel's well-being, not an armed rebellion in Syria :coffeepap

 

[Higgins86]

I don't see much of "the world" stepping up to the plate here. How gracious of them to mandate our responsibilities. Do we not have enough enemies already?

To be fair though how much of the world is actually asking America to step up to the plate? Recently it seems to me that America organises the game, picks the teams and then by the 6th inning starts with the old " why always us". Somalia and the infamous black hawk down mission is a great example of this, America decides to go forward with a dangerous mission ( ill-advised), doesn't tell any of her allies in the area, stirs up the bee hive, eventually has to ask for help and then leaves Somalia under public pressure because " we shouldn't even be there".

 

[Moot]

Not in response to them using chemical weapons on their own people, and likewise, their attack on the Syrian nuke facility a few years back also was about Israel's well-being, not an armed rebellion in Syria :coffeepap

Call it whatever you want but Israel did try to take out Syria's main research center for biological and chemical weapons in Damascus back in January and there were reports prior to that of Assad's military using chemical weapons......

Published May 4, 2013

BEIRUT, Lebanon — A series of powerful explosions rocked the outskirts of Damascus early Sunday morning, which Syrian state television said was the result of Israeli missile attacks on a Syrian military installation.

If true, it would be the second Israeli airstrike in Syria in two days and the third this year.

The airstrike that Israeli warplanes carried out in Syria overnight on Thursday was directed at a shipment of advanced surface-to-surface missiles from Iran that Israel believed was intended for Hezbollah, American officials said Saturday. That strike was aimed at disrupting the arms pipeline that runs from Syria to Hezbollah, the militant Lebanese organization, and it highlighted the mounting stakes for Hezbollah and Israel as Syria becomes more chaotic.

On Sunday, the Syrian government said that the Israelis had launched a missile attack against the military complex at Jamraya just outside Damascus overnight.

The Jamraya complex, the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Center, is Syria’s main research center for work on biological and chemical weapons, American officials have said, raising questions about whether the motivation for the attack went beyond stopping the flow of arms to Hezbollah. The Israeli raid in January was in the same area and the complex suffered moderate damage in that attack....read...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/w...t-was-hit-by-strikes-from-israeli-planes.html

 

[cpwill]

Obama is correct....the world drew the red line first....


"...The first world war was the first occasion on which chemical weapons were used on a large scale in war. The results of these attacks, mostly on British and German soldiers, were so horrendous that a prohibition of their use was included in the 1925 Geneva Protocol – subsequently ratified by 138 nations. This was the first formal recognition that the use of chemical weapons is a red line for the world community.....

Why chemical weapons are a 'red line' the world must enforce | Chris Miller | Comment is free | theguardian.com


Syria signed and ratified the Geneva protocol....


List of parties to the Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wait. So a commenter in "The Guardian" is now "The World"?

 

[Moot]

Wait. So a commenter in "The Guardian" is now "The World"?

The leaders of governments that represent 98% of the world's population signed a treaty to stop the use and proliferation of chemical weapons. It's just easier to say "the world." Most people get it.

 

[cpwill]

The leaders of governments that represent 98% of the world's population signed a treaty to stop the use and proliferation of chemical weapons. It's just easier to say "the world." Most people get it.

No. Most people 'get' that those people agreed not to use weapons themselves. Most people do not get that when Obama says "that would be a redline for me", what he means is "a hidden clause of the treaty actually requires that you do something about it if someone else uses chemical weapons". There is one organization that can credibly claim to speak for "the world", and that organization (sadly) is the U.N.

The "it's the worlds' red line" argument is one of the dumbest defenses to come out of this White House. I really actually feel bad for Jay Carney.

 

[Moot]

No. Most people 'get' that those people agreed not to use weapons themselves. Most people do not get that when Obama says "that would be a redline for me", what he means is "a hidden clause of the treaty actually requires that you do something about it if someone else uses chemical weapons". There is one organization that can credibly claim to speak for "the world", and that organization (sadly) is the U.N.

The "it's the worlds' red line" argument is one of the dumbest defenses to come out of this White House. I really actually feel bad for Jay Carney.

I don't think treaties are dumb. But if you do, then you would have to think that Article VI, Clause 2 also known as the supremacy clause in the Constitution is dumb, too. I already started a thread on UN speaking for "the world".....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...yria-miltary-intervention-and-g20-summit.html

 

[cpwill]

I don't think treaties are dumb.

Treaties aren't dumb. Obama trying to claim that when he said something was 'HIS' red line that was the 'WORLD' saying it - and expecting people to buy that - is dumb. It's not 2008, anymore, guy. The Media isn't going to cover you on this one.

 

[Moot]

Treaties aren't dumb. Obama trying to claim that when he said something was 'HIS' red line that was the 'WORLD' saying it - and expecting people to buy that - is dumb. It's not 2008, anymore, guy. The Media isn't going to cover you on this one.

I think Obama is probably more concerned about getting the UN approval than what the media thinks. The media got it wrong on Iraq, why would it be different this time?

 

[Fisher]

I think Obama is probably more concerned about getting the UN approval than what the media thinks. The media got it wrong on Iraq, why would it be different this time?

Russia would never support it, so that ship has sailed.