I was distinctly unimpressed with Fiorina. I would have like to see how Condi Rice and Colin Powell worked in Congress.
I couldnt know where to start it ,off topic may be suitable,dana's thread inspired me to start it
I see many anti Hillary people insult her for the things Bill C did before .I don't like her either but please be honest .men just dont want to have a female president..Clinton cheated on hillary with Monica ,yes so what ?Clinton is the worst guy or the president ever seen ? Other presidents were always loyal to their wifes ?maybe Clinton should have choosen angelina jolie :mrgreen:
And Powell is somebody else I could have enthusiastically voted for back in the day. Not now, but back in the day.
Because it must be quite a staggering list indeed, to sway you to vote for a woman that you clearly find objectionable and even contemptible.
Thanks in advance, good sir.
So yes, Hillary is less awful, in my opinion.
We disagree.
I have too much history with her record of corruption and dishonesty, and though much of what you describe about Donald Trump is true, most of it is ad hominem exaggerations and assumptions.
In the end, you will hold your nose and go and vote for Hillary, and I will hold my nose and vote against Hillary.
And I will roll the dice and hope and pray that a President Trump isn't anywhere as near as awful as you speculate he might be.
With Hillary, there is no gamble, and there is no mystery;
She is a crook, a liar, and a self-serving, power-mad harpy.
And, I am sure that we won't have to worry about a President Trump.
We disagree.
I have too much history with her record of corruption and dishonesty, and though much of what you describe about Donald Trump is true, most of it is ad hominem exaggerations and assumptions.
Dr. Rice has always made crystal her disinterest in the Presidency, and I respect that, but it's regrettable. I think she would be an outstanding President.
I've been impressed by what I've seen of political newcomer Fiorina and hope that she will again seek public office.
No, it isn't, and on basic logical grounds --something can't be both "mostly true" and "mostly exaggerations." When one is a terrible excuse for a human being like Trump and one is wildly unqualified to be president, that's not an ad hominem fallacy, that's simply stating facts about Donald Trump. If you want to vote against Hillary, then there's not shortage of options. There's Johnson, there's Stein, and there's even De La Fuente. But a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump, and Trump is a mad man.
If you find Hillary intolerable, I certainly understand that, but when Donald Trump is a such a giant charlatan, a race-baiting asshat, a pathological liar, and is systematically misinformed about the world, his presidency would be disastrous beyond words.
Anyways, like I said, if you want to make a separate thread about this, I'm more than willing to discuss it.
We disagree.
I have too much history with her record of corruption and dishonesty, and though much of what you describe about Donald Trump is true, most of it is ad hominem exaggerations and assumptions.
In the end, you will hold your nose and go and vote for Hillary, and I will hold my nose and vote against Hillary.
And I will roll the dice and hope and pray that a President Trump isn't anywhere as near as awful as you speculate he might be.
With Hillary, there is no gamble, and there is no mystery;
She is a crook, a liar, and a self-serving, power-mad harpy.
Fiorina is a fraud, whose only talent is selling herself... to boardrooms. She has managed to bankrupt, close and near bankrupt every company she headed, and always got out with a golden parachute when the Directors finally caught up with her lack of veracity. I knew the woman; my husband worked for her and personally saw every rotten thing she did to gain bonuses into her pockets while stiffing employees, ruining their lives, and eventually sending the entire manufacturing facility overseas, after having purchased a Texas competitor and closing it down, which manipulated the annual profit statement, putting millions of bonus dollars in her own pocket, and leaving literally thousands and thousands of people out of a job.
There are some wonderful, experienced women in public service, and yes, in politics, who would make admirable and exceptional presidents. Susan Collins (R) and Pat Warren (D) are only two of them. Fiorina is a total snakeoil-style fraud. I implore you, don't be suckered. She's never done a thing in her life that involved helping others, or serving a public good.
Whether you like Hillary or not, the woman has indeed devoted decades of her life in volunteer work for women and children since the day she stepped out of college... and even before.
I appreciate hearing an insider point of view about Fiorina; thank you. (Cynical aside: Is nobody as he or she seems?)
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time Clinton did volunteer work for women and children? For what org?
Because you say she doesn't believe what she says?
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