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Clinton Superdelegates Feel the Bern

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Hey b*tch, switch votes.

Superdelegates supporting Hilary Clinton are getting angry, abusive phone calls and emails from Bernie Sanders' backers demanding they switch sides.

The pressure is intense, say Clinton superdelgates from states won by Sanders. Superdelegates are not "pledged" to the state victor and can vote whichever way they want.

That's leading to a torrent of unpleasantness.

...Sanders supporters have also been blamed for some of the disruptions at Republican front-runner Donald Trump's rallies. These aren't the first complaints about harassment by enraged Sanders devotees. When MoveOn.org, a progressive organization that endorsed Sanders, mobilized thousands of supporters to protest outside a Trump rally in Chicago last month, the protests turned so violent that the police arrived on scene and the event was cancelled.

Well, Sanders is a socialist. They tend to violence.

Unintentionally revealing quote of the week so far: "This is like something Trump would do!" Yeah, but it's not Trump doing it, is it.

Also revealing is the way Clinton superdelegates dismiss this groundswell of popular support for Sanders as somehow illegitimate.
 

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Well, Sanders is a socialist. They tend to violence.

In what way is Sanders violent ? Isn't Clinton way more hawkish / pro war than Sanders ? Does Sanders encourage violence during his rallies ?
What's the point of this thread ?
 

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Well, Sanders is a socialist. They tend to violence. Unintentionally revealing quote of the week so far: "This is like something Trump would do!" Yeah, but it's not Trump doing it, is it. Also revealing is the way Clinton superdelegates dismiss this groundswell of popular support for Sanders as somehow illegitimate.

laughing, oh how the radical right is grasping for straws... :doh

First Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC Socialist- like much of Western Europe so the 'Commie crap' is as false as 'Compassionate Conservative'...

If anyone tends to be violent it appears Trump and his crew are way out in first place there- oh if only his delegate count was as big... ;)

Let's see how Sanders does in the Big delegate traditional Dem states before we declare a groundswell... winning a Dem caucus in a Red State isn't going to win in a general.... :peace
 

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laughing, oh how the radical right is grasping for straws... :doh

First Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC Socialist- like much of Western Europe so the 'Commie crap' is as false as 'Compassionate Conservative'...

If anyone tends to be violent it appears Trump and his crew are way out in first place there- oh if only his delegate count was as big... ;)

Let's see how Sanders does in the Big delegate traditional Dem states before we declare a groundswell... winning a Dem caucus in a Red State isn't going to win in a general.... :peace

Look how screwed up Europe [no matter what you call them]

If he can keep Hillary out pf the WH, power to him.
 

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Not surprising that this is where we are.

Despite the questionable methods of the Sanders camp, they are determined to take this fight all the way to the convention. Even if matched by establishment at every step determined to prevent a problem for Hillary's nomination.

But what you are seeing here with Superdelegates voting for establishment ideology over the State results *is the entire ****ing point of Superdelegates in the first place.*

This is universal in political party antics, and serves as a reminder to us all why party affiliation between Democrats and Republicans is at fairly low points these days. Odds are this will work for Democrats as Hillary seem untouchable (even by law) but they may soon face what Republicans are already having to deal with for different reasons. Anti-establishment intentions.

I've said many times that I do not support much of what Sanders is saying, and I do not support the idea of bashing Superdelegates into voting a different way. However, I have been more than impressed what Sanders has been able to accomplish going up against that establishment backed and aristocrat in Hillary.

If I am irritated at anything it is the minority vote lining up behind Hillary, when she could not care any less about minority voter issues. She will be just like Obama in that respect, in another 4-8 years they will still be that much further behind other demographics and probably even more entrenched in dependency on government.
 

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Look how screwed up Europe [no matter what you call them] If he can keep Hillary out pf the WH, power to him.

Screwed up??? I guess you have a different way of looking at this. But it is refreshing to get the spotlight on how screwed up we are- (and the GOP nominating process)... :peace
 

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I've dabbled in Stratfor before- interesting but with a bias. However this is apples and oranges- the individual nations are a mix of political ideologies- not all are Democratic Socialist and the EU itself isn't DS. The problem outlined in the article you linked is more the pitfalls of creating a United Europe- not an indictment of DS.

Fact is the nations that are DS are doing well on their own- certainly not violent like Low claims 'socialists' are...

I'd say our bastardized capitalism isn't doing any better- from financial, healthcare, government debt, infrastructure, political climate....

To declare DS a 'violent socialist' mindset is to grasp at straws- I understand some like Low feeling the Bern to do so... but it is a faux as the Orange Guys smile... :peace
 

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Superdelegates supporting Hilary Clinton are getting angry, abusive phone calls and emails from Bernie Sanders' backers demanding they switch sides.
"angry", "demanding", those are harsh terms, but I understand why they feel that way.
So here is my "why the f... do we bother to vote if the nobles have made up their minds already"?
Either the elite decides or people do.
 

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Well, Sanders is a socialist. They tend to violence.

Sanders is well known for handing out beat-downs on the senate floor, using his massive socialist muscles.

:rolleyes:

:inandout:
 

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Well, Sanders is a socialist. They tend to violence.

Leftists in general tend towards violence as we've seen in Ferguson and Baltimore riots, Trump rallies, and just about every big city cesspool across America.
 

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In what way is Sanders violent ? Isn't Clinton way more hawkish / pro war than Sanders ? Does Sanders encourage violence during his rallies ?
What's the point of this thread ?

Socialists tend to violence. I offer Venezuela as the latest example. That and Sander's followers.

I can't think of socialists like Sanders without thinking of Venezuela and how that's turning out. Or Cuba and how that turned out. Or the USSR and how that turned out. Or Cambodia and that turned out. I just think we'd be stupid to go down that path with all the examples out there about what it will get us.
 

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laughing, oh how the radical right is grasping for straws... :doh

First Sanders is a DEMOCRATIC Socialist- like much of Western Europe so the 'Commie crap' is as false as 'Compassionate Conservative'...

If anyone tends to be violent it appears Trump and his crew are way out in first place there- oh if only his delegate count was as big... ;)

Let's see how Sanders does in the Big delegate traditional Dem states before we declare a groundswell... winning a Dem caucus in a Red State isn't going to win in a general.... :peace

You guys keep saying "democratic socialist" like it's supposed to mean something. There's only one kind of socialist -- the socialist kind.
 

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Socialists tend to violence. I offer Venezuela as the latest example. That and Sander's followers.

I can't think of socialists like Sanders without thinking of Venezuela and how that's turning out. Or Cuba and how that turned out. Or the USSR and how that turned out. Or Cambodia and that turned out. I just think we'd be stupid to go down that path with all the examples out there about what it will get us.

I can't think of democratic socialism without thinking of Sweden and how that's turning out. Or Finland how that turned out. Or Switzerland how that turned out. Or Denmark how that turned out. I just think we'd be stupid to go down that path with all the examples out there about what it will get us (better healthcare, education, life satisfaction & economy).

(fyi : foreign policy is a seperate issue)
 

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You guys keep saying "democratic socialist" like it's supposed to mean something. There's only one kind of socialist -- the socialist kind.

No. Really, no.

I'll refer you to Martijn Vos on Quora :

There are many, many different kinds of socialism; many different perspectives on what it is, what it can or should be, and how to get there. The right wing tends to pretend that all socialism is inherently Soviet-style communism or Stalinism: an oppressive totalitarian regime. But that's not true at all. It's a straw man meant to discredit the very concept of socialism.

...

Communism is the statism of the Soviet Union (which never even had Marx's proletarian dictatorship, but a dictatorship by an elite), whereas Socialism is something more moderate and generally still democratic. Social Democracy is what so many northern European countries have been doing so successfully since the end of World War 2: the good parts of capitalism but with clear workers' rights and an eye for economic equality.

SOURCE : https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-a-socialist-and-a-Democratic-socialist
 

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Socialists tend to violence. I offer Venezuela as the latest example. That and Sander's followers.

I can't think of socialists like Sanders without thinking of Venezuela and how that's turning out. Or Cuba and how that turned out. Or the USSR and how that turned out. Or Cambodia and that turned out. I just think we'd be stupid to go down that path with all the examples out there about what it will get us.

sanders is a 'socialist' who wants to raise taxes on the mega wealthy to pay for our deplorable infrastructure and unaffordable education. He has no interest in the western europe model of mandatory 6 weeks paid time off and other safety nets. He's not even really a new deal socialist

but aside from all that, he emphasizes time and again, even on SNL, that he is **pro democracy** Who is the only candidate under investigation by police for inciting violence? Oh yes, that would be donald trump!
 

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Socialists tend to violence. I offer Venezuela as the latest example. That and Sander's followers.

I can't think of socialists like Sanders without thinking of Venezuela and how that's turning out. Or Cuba and how that turned out. Or the USSR and how that turned out. Or Cambodia and that turned out. I just think we'd be stupid to go down that path with all the examples out there about what it will get us.

Oh look, here it is again. Whats the difference between those socialist/communist countries and the non violent Nordic/European ones? Oh yeah, Authoritarian Dictators. Do we have Authoritarian Dictators here in the US? So which example would likely happen in the US?
 
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