flip2 said:
I love it. We're idiots. So much for name calling only from the right.
Does anyone remember a fellow named George Tenet, former DCI (Director of Central Intelligence)? When testified under oath, several close White House advisors, including Tenet himself, stated emphatically that George W. Bush insisted on asking Tenet if he was sure, positive, factual, and that evidence was there before Bush included the now infamous statement of WMD and enrichment of uranium and yellow cake in his State of the Union Address. See, if you read between the lines there, Bush clearly wanted to be sure the truth was there before he made any statement in asserting WMDs were present.
I don't mean to be rude, but it's allready been proven over and over again that Bush knew those statements he made in the State of the Union address were false....or at the very least not verified.
Ahh...George Tenet and the CIA, an intelligence agency that made a snap judgement and refused to budge...eventhough our own State Department INR and Department of Energy were adamant that the tubes were much more appropriate for artillery shells, and could never be used for nuclear centrifuges. Yet the CIA refused to listen to other intelligence agencies, eventhough the experts at the DOE were considered the true experts on uranium processing.
The U.S. intercepted a shipment of these tubes before we went to war with Iraq, and the tubes were coated with a chemical element that would have to be removed before even considering use for nuclear centrifuges...not to mention re-working and re-milling each and every tube...an intense, expensive, laborous and time consuming job.
Gee...why would Saddam deliberately order the wrong tubes?
Why would Saddam place this order on the internet knowing it would be found out?
The bottom line, there was a ton of evidence that stated quite clearly that these tubes were worthless for nuclear weapon production, yet we have those liars Bush and Rice stating they were designed for no other use but nuclear weapon making.
Meanwhile, even the British weighed in expressing doubt about these "scary" tubes....the longer these tubes bounced around the intelligence community, the iffier they got as a piece of evidence against Saddam...yet, we still have Bush and Rice continuing to lie about their use.
What's stranger is this whole dispute had not been mediated by a competent, impartial, technical committee, as it should have been according to accepted practice.
So, the CIA, as the top intelligence community won out and forced their analysis into the NIE report...then we have a New York Times report on Sept 8, 2002 stating that Iraq embarks on nuclear weapon making..based on this flawed CIA report.
Finally, we have top Bush officials making reference to the diameter, thickness and technical properties of these tubes as though they were designed only for nuclear cetrifuges! A deliberate, out right, slap-in-the-face lie.
Then...after all this, and we go to war, and we find no WMD...what does Bush do?
Does he apologize? Does he take the blame for this "bad" intelligence?
Of course not...Bush says something along the lines of..."Err..ahh...gee...well...it's not my fault...it's that George Tenent guy's fault...that's right blame him."
What a wuss...and the worst kind of liar....lies to take our nation to war and cost the young lives of over 1600 of our best.
I wonder how the guy sleeps at night?
flip2 said:
As for Clinton having a perfectly legal, consensual affair....Wow, I'm sure your spouse would appreciate you talking so positively about cheating on your loved one. But again, the issue was not that he had an affair. It's that he committed perjury, under oath, to a federal grand jury. Doesn't matter what it was about. He lied, affirming in court, in the presence of a judge, to tell the truth. Perjury, last I checked, is grounds for jail time.
Blah, blah, blah...you just don't get it, so allow me to repeat an old post of mine....
We have something called the 1960 Soldier and Sailor's Civil Relief Act...this allows even a grunt private in the military to delay any civil proceeding until after his sworn duty to his country.
The hatchet job republicans denied this basic right to our Commander in Chief of the entire military! The most important job in the world!
Paula Jones was a CIVIL court case...she was after money...Clinton merely asked for a stay in the trial until after his sworn duty to his country...DENIED by the power hungry right!
If the Paula Jones case would've been delayed, we never would've found out about Monica, and Clinton never would've been placed in the situation of committing perjury to protect his reputation and his family from his lack of judgement and fall from morals.
But gee...the republicans didn't care about that....the guy lied about two consenting adults having sex...let's nail him and further weaken the office of the presidency by allowing a CIVIL court case to go against a sitting president.
So Clinton lying about sex is God awful to you self-righteous republicans, but when Bush lies about taking our nation to war...spending a billion a week, with countless civilian deaths and our own soldiers dying and physically maimed, why you on the right think Bush is a "good-ol-guy...a Christian with high morals and great strength.!"
Excuse me while I go puke my guts out.
God Bless America.
