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So what do we got? Take away the names.

1. 5+ year old rumor that politician is buried deep with plot to get uranium from a foreign country and enrich a charitable foundation through those funds.
2. New rumor that a different politician's son is buried deep with a plot to enrich his family with foreign funds.
3. Fact that a sitting President bribed a country on eight separate occasions to look into oppo research on his political rival.
4. Sitting President appears to take issue w/something that they claim rival does, while doing what they claim rival does.

*supporters of sitting President still somehow don't see a problem w/point number 4???

What is different about what Trump did vs what you all think Biden/Clinton did?

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Clinton is buried deep in a Uranium One plot where she got money from foreign countries. There is no proof to this conspiracy theory.

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Biden's son is buried deep in a Ukrainian plot where the family got money from foreign countries. No proof has been presented by Team Trump to back up those claims.

According to a whistle-blower who has gone through all the proper channels and who's claims has been fact-checked by various news organizations... There is hard proof, audio records, and notes that Trump and team have asked Ukraine multiple times to look into Joe Biden in order to benefit Trump's election in 2020. Accordingly Trump dangled foreign aid to Ukraine after Putin's invasion of that country and only if they'd do that.
 
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What are Two losers and 1 President? Alex
 

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This video (I literally just watched prior to seeing the OP) answers IMO your "questions:"


The analyst points out several things I agree with, the first being the constant effort by the MSM to overwhelm the public with one negative story after another. Each one following a failed attempt to find "the thing" that will finally undo Trump. That (in his words) the MSM are grasping for some story that allows them to play offense instead of defense. That this happens every time, as with the recent Kavanaugh story, where the MSM asserts wrongdoing only to find it has to defend it's mistaken assertions.

Arguing "worst case scenario" he points out that the Democrats are suggesting, based solely on assumptions of what "the whistleblower" might have reported, that somehow the President is not allowed to suggest to a foreign head of state that they might want to investigate someone for possible wrongdoing. How is that illegal? How is that an "abuse of power?" How is that not something one head of state can say to another? That this is just another "now Trump has gone too far" effort.
 
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Also apparently the only difference I can find is that:

Trump supporters and Team Trump desperately want you to believe that this type of shenanigans happen all the time in politics.
They want you to believe that Trump is rooting out corruption and draining the swamp.

What do I see? I see that Trump desperately wants to be what those corrupt politicians he imagines are, and he even fails at that!!!!
 

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This video (I literally just watched prior to seeing the OP) answers IMO your "questions:"

No it doesn't. It doesn't answer the question b/t what you think are the differences in each of these two scenarios? Are you saying that Biden and Clinton were just soooo good at collusion, while Trump constantly fails?
 

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So what do we got? Take away the names.

1. 5+ year old rumor that politician is buried deep with plot to get uranium from a foreign country and enrich a charitable foundation through those funds.
2. New rumor that a different politician's son is buried deep with a plot to enrich his family with foreign funds.
3. Fact that a sitting President bribed a country on eight separate occasions to look into oppo research on his political rival.
4. Sitting President appears to take issue w/something that they claim rival does, while doing what they claim rival does.

*supporters of sitting President still somehow don't see a problem w/point number 4???

What is different about what Trump did vs what you all think Biden/Clinton did?

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Clinton is buried deep in a Uranium One plot where she got money from foreign countries. There is no proof to this conspiracy theory.

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Biden's son is buried deep in a Ukrainian plot where the family got money from foreign countries. No proof has been presented by Team Trump to back up those claims.

According to a whistle-blower who has gone through all the proper channels and who's claims has been fact-checked by various news organizations... There is hard proof, audio records, and notes that Trump and team have asked Ukraine multiple times to look into Joe Biden in order to benefit Trump's election in 2020. Accordingly Trump dangled foreign aid to Ukraine after Putin's invasion of that country and only if they'd do that.
Investigating political corruption is now something the media is against, apparently.
 

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So what do we got? Take away the names.

1. 5+ year old rumor that politician is buried deep with plot to get uranium from a foreign country and enrich a charitable foundation through those funds.
2. New rumor that a different politician's son is buried deep with a plot to enrich his family with foreign funds.
3. Fact that a sitting President bribed a country on eight separate occasions to look into oppo research on his political rival.
4. Sitting President appears to take issue w/something that they claim rival does, while doing what they claim rival does.

*supporters of sitting President still somehow don't see a problem w/point number 4???

What is different about what Trump did vs what you all think Biden/Clinton did?

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Clinton is buried deep in a Uranium One plot where she got money from foreign countries. There is no proof to this conspiracy theory.

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Biden's son is buried deep in a Ukrainian plot where the family got money from foreign countries. No proof has been presented by Team Trump to back up those claims.

According to a whistle-blower who has gone through all the proper channels and who's claims has been fact-checked by various news organizations... There is hard proof, audio records, and notes that Trump and team have asked Ukraine multiple times to look into Joe Biden in order to benefit Trump's election in 2020. Accordingly Trump dangled foreign aid to Ukraine after Putin's invasion of that country and only if they'd do that.
The claims by the whistleblower haven't been disclosed. How could they be fact-checked? The word you're grasping for is "speculated".
 

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The claims by the whistleblower haven't been disclosed. How could they be fact-checked? The word you're grasping for is "speculated".
Uh, you think they just making it all up then huh?
 

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No it doesn't. It doesn't answer the question b/t what you think are the differences in each of these two scenarios? Are you saying that Biden and Clinton were just soooo good at collusion, while Trump constantly fails?
There's evidence of corruption by both Clinton and Biden.
Haven't you gotten tired of being jerked around by Trump scandal stories that have yet to bear fruit?
Maybe this time, right?
 

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The claims by the whistleblower haven't been disclosed. How could they be fact-checked? The word you're grasping for is "speculated".
So why are news organizations saying specific facts about said claims like the payment price and the number of times Trump asked Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?
 

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There's evidence of corruption by both Clinton and Biden.
Haven't you gotten tired of being jerked around by Trump scandal stories that have yet to bear fruit?
Maybe this time, right?
Rudy Giuliani yapping on TV about Biden is not evidence.

Some dude donating to Clinton Foundation is not evidence of corruption.
 

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So why are news organizations saying specific facts about said claims like the payment price and the number of times Trump asked Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?
Again ... Where's the story that has disclosed what was in the whistleblower complaint?
Do you really think someone reported the actual contents of the complaint?
No wonder you sound so confused.
 

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Rudy Giuliani yapping on TV about Biden is not evidence.

Some dude donating to Clinton Foundation is not evidence of corruption.
Ah. You really don't have a base of knowledge about either story do you.
 

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Again ... Where's the story that has disclosed what was in the whistleblower complaint?
Do you really think someone reported the actual contents of the complaint?
No wonder you sound so confused.
Have you really not watched the news in the past 24 hours? So that's what you are saying, they are making it up. Jeez Louise.
 

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Have you really not watched the news in the past 24 hours? So that's what you are saying, they are making it up. Jeez Louise.
I don't know how to break this to you but the contents of the whistleblower complaint have not been disclosed.
If they had you'd be able to present them right here on DP.
You can't.
If you could have you would have.
It appears you're still confusing speculation about the contents with the actual contents.
I told you that earlier.

One thing should be worrying you.
If the contents are ever disclosed you'd better hope they deliver the goods cuz up to now you've had nothing and another failure could be fatal.
 

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So what do we got? Take away the names.

1. 5+ year old rumor that politician is buried deep with plot to get uranium from a foreign country and enrich a charitable foundation through those funds.
2. New rumor that a different politician's son is buried deep with a plot to enrich his family with foreign funds.
3. Fact that a sitting President bribed a country on eight separate occasions to look into oppo research on his political rival.
4. Sitting President appears to take issue w/something that they claim rival does, while doing what they claim rival does.

*supporters of sitting President still somehow don't see a problem w/point number 4???

What is different about what Trump did vs what you all think Biden/Clinton did?

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Clinton is buried deep in a Uranium One plot where she got money from foreign countries. There is no proof to this conspiracy theory.

According to alt-right conspiracy theories, Biden's son is buried deep in a Ukrainian plot where the family got money from foreign countries. No proof has been presented by Team Trump to back up those claims.

According to a whistle-blower who has gone through all the proper channels and who's claims has been fact-checked by various news organizations... There is hard proof, audio records, and notes that Trump and team have asked Ukraine multiple times to look into Joe Biden in order to benefit Trump's election in 2020. Accordingly Trump dangled foreign aid to Ukraine after Putin's invasion of that country and only if they'd do that.
There has been next to zero fact checking. How do I know because the media would have told us all of it if they had it. The one thing they sad was Trump offered nothing in return. Democrats hatred of Trump and conservatives and the wealthy is going to destroy this country but they don't care because they want power to impose their crazy liberal social agenda, and get rich in the process.
 

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Fact that a sitting President bribed a country on eight separate occasions to look into oppo research on his political rival.
You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. This is not a fact.
 

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There has been next to zero fact checking. How do I know because the media would have told us all of it if they had it. The one thing they sad was Trump offered nothing in return. Democrats hatred of Trump and conservatives and the wealthy is going to destroy this country but they don't care because they want power to impose their crazy liberal social agenda, and get rich in the process.
So why are news organizations saying specific facts about said claims like the payment price and the number of times Trump asked Ukraine to look into Joe Biden?

Rich fat cats and Trump are already destroying the country.
 

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I don't know how to break this to you but the contents of the whistleblower complaint have not been disclosed.
If they had you'd be able to present them right here on DP.
You can't.
If you could have you would have.
It appears you're still confusing speculation about the contents with the actual contents.
I told you that earlier.

One thing should be worrying you.
If the contents are ever disclosed you'd better hope they deliver the goods cuz up to now you've had nothing and another failure could be fatal.
Um so you're just denying some of the contents have been disclosed such as the ones mentioned in my OP, right? I just wanna get that on record.
 

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Um so you're just denying some of the contents have been disclosed such as the ones mentioned in my OP, right? I just wanna get that on record.
Are you denying the credibility problem the people reporting this have?

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