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Climate scientist tells Joe Rogan he refuses to debate dissenters on climate change

IPPC is complete horse shit. It's politics not science.

Who said anything about IPCC? These are literally all the peer reviewed articles being published on the subject, and all the scientific organizations on the entire planet.
 
I wasted a lot of time debating 9/11 truthers back in the day. I wouldn't recommend it.
 
Or maybe 97 percent of climate scientists depend on grants from the Democratic Party in order to survive if they have no other job?

What makes climate change science different from any other kind of science? Just that you don't like it?
 
What is it do you think is represented by the consensus?

"The current scientific consensus is that:
  • Earth's climate has warmed significantly since the late 1800s.[a]
  • Human activities (primarily greenhouse gas emissions) are the primary cause.
  • Continuing emissions will increase the likelihood and severity of global effects.
  • People and nations can act individually and collectively to slow the pace of global warming, while also preparing for unavoidable climate change and its consequences."
 
This is the endgame....

Introducing the 'Great Reset,' world leaders' radical plan to transform the economy
For decades, progressives have attempted to use climate change to justify liberal policy changes. But their latest attempt – a new proposal called the “Great Reset” – is the most ambitious and radical plan the world has seen in more than a generation.

At a virtual meeting earlier in June hosted by the World Economic Forum, some of the planet’s most powerful business leaders, government officials and activists announced a proposal to “reset” the global economy. Instead of traditional capitalism, the high-profile group said the world should adopt more socialistic policies, such as wealth taxes, additional regulations and massive Green New Deal-like government programs.

“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” wrote Klaus Schwab, the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, in an article published on WEF’s website. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”

The Great Reset - World Economic Forum
 
And what's wrong with that? What would you rather have them do?
You asked why LOP thought Cook excluded papers that did not express a position, it was because that is what the paper stated!
 
What makes climate change science different from any other kind of science? Just that you don't like it?
I find climate change fascinating. It is a topic of endless discussion.
For years I have been asking the question:
How much of the change in our climate is caused by mankind and how much is caused by natural forces such as volcanoes, solar flares, changes in the earth's rotation? Who can give me a straight answer?

I am not a climate change denier. I just believe mankind is too puny and not committed to doing what is necessary to actually affect change in the world's climate. Just look at the results of the last climate change summit.
 
"The current scientific consensus is that:
  • Earth's climate has warmed significantly since the late 1800s.[a]
  • Human activities (primarily greenhouse gas emissions) are the primary cause.
  • Continuing emissions will increase the likelihood and severity of global effects.
  • People and nations can act individually and collectively to slow the pace of global warming, while also preparing for unavoidable climate change and its consequences."
The last two points are not expressed in the peer reviewed scientific literature, or even in Cook's paper.
Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.
He describes the consensus position as "Humans are causing global warming"
without any qualifications of how much of the observed warming is a result of Human activity, or if future warming would be sever, or preventable.
 
We have a system that is favoring the wealthy and not the working class, a wealthy ruling elite further enriching themselves on our backs and getting the government to help them do it. Special deals with corrupt officials, laws that favor big business and restrict competition. In America, some of the worst working conditions among any first world nations. The American working class has some of the hardest working people on the entire planet and they're barely treading water.

Any particular reason people should just accept this?
 
We have a system that is favoring the wealthy and not the working class, a wealthy ruling elite further enriching themselves on our backs and getting the government to help them do it. Special deals with corrupt officials, laws that favor big business and restrict competition. In America, some of the worst working conditions among any first world nations. The American working class has some of the hardest working people on the entire planet and they're barely treading water.

Any particular reason people should just accept this?
Any particular reason why you would think the changes proposed to to fix AGW would improve the position of the working class?
 
There are SO MANY papers looking at this consensus, and they are all showing the same thing. If this is indeed some grand conspiracy by 99% of the entire scientific community on the planet, this has got to be the biggest scientific conspiracy in history ever. This would be bigger than even Trump's stolen election and Obama's secret birth certificate.

  1. Cook, John; Oreskes, Naomi; Doran, Peter T.; Anderegg, William R. L.; et al. (2016). "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming". Environmental Research Letters. 11 (4): 048002. Bibcode:2016ERL....11d8002C. doi:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002.
  2. ^ Jump up to:a b c Powell, James Lawrence (20 November 2019). "Scientists Reach 100% Consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming". Bulletin of Science, Technology & Society. 37 (4): 183–184. doi:10.1177/0270467619886266. S2CID 213454806. Retrieved 15 November 2020.
  3. ^ Jump up to:a b Lynas, Mark; Houlton, Benjamin Z.; Perry, Simon (19 October 2021). "Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature". Environmental Research Letters. 16 (11): 114005. doi:10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966. S2CID 239032360.
  4. ^ Jump up to:a b c Myers, Krista F.; Doran, Peter T.; Cook, John; Kotcher, John E.; Myers, Teresa A. (20 October 2021). "Consensus revisited: quantifying scientific agreement on climate change and climate expertise among Earth scientists 10 years later". Environmental Research Letters. 16 (10): 104030. doi:10.1088/1748-9326/ac2774.
  5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change
Yes, and they all have their flaws. I have pointed many out before. I get rather tired of people posting the same horse pucky over and over, when they deny what is proven the first time.
 
I wasted a lot of time debating 9/11 truthers back in the day. I wouldn't recommend it.
That's a whole different thing yet.

I too find it flat out dumb that people think it was a false flag operation, or what ever else they claim.
 
And what's wrong with that? What would you rather have them do?
Recognize that you don't know what the majority thinks, instead of going all D-K effect on the reporting..
 
"The current scientific consensus is that:
  • Earth's climate has warmed significantly since the late 1800s.[a]
  • Human activities (primarily greenhouse gas emissions) are the primary cause.
  • Continuing emissions will increase the likelihood and severity of global effects.
  • People and nations can act individually and collectively to slow the pace of global warming, while also preparing for unavoidable climate change and its consequences."
Wikipedia.

LOL...
 
I find climate change fascinating. It is a topic of endless discussion.
For years I have been asking the question:
How much of the change in our climate is caused by mankind and how much is caused by natural forces such as volcanoes, solar flares, changes in the earth's rotation? Who can give me a straight answer?

I am not a climate change denier. I just believe mankind is too puny and not committed to doing what is necessary to actually affect change in the world's climate. Just look at the results of the last climate change summit.
In my opinion, the worse harm we have on the earth has to do with the physical particulate pollution.

Aerosols change cloud formations and precipitation schedules.

Aerosols in general reduce surface insolation. The sulfur types reflect sunlight, the soot absorbs radiant energy far more effective than CO2.

Soot decreases ice albedo, dramatically increasing the rate of ice melt.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas and does have an effect, that is impossible to properly quantify with our juvenile understanding of the earths atmospheric sciences.
 
That's a whole different thing yet.

I too find it flat out dumb that people think it was a false flag operation, or what ever else they claim.
You debunk their narrative, and then they'd post some hyper-zoomed picture of a lug nut and start yelling about how that's from a Cessna, not a jet. It was madness.
 
Any particular reason why you would think the changes proposed to to fix AGW would improve the position of the working class?
Many proposals exist and many of them would improve the position of the working class, yes.
 

I dont listen to Rogan, but this article brings up a very good point: there are indeed a lot of scientists who disagree with the current climate alarmist narrative, and these same alarmists refuse to debate them.

Why? It's clear they want to shut down contrarian viewpoints, while insisting the science is "settled."

Well there's only one problem: science is never "settled." Science relies on new studies and findings. It's clear the alarmists are deliberately censoring those who disagree with them, even though there's plenty of studies that contradict that climate change is man-made.
Entertaining BS contrarian views just gives them legitimacy.
 
And many of them displace jobs as well.
 

I dont listen to Rogan, but this article brings up a very good point: there are indeed a lot of scientists who disagree with the current climate alarmist narrative, and these same alarmists refuse to debate them.

Why? It's clear they want to shut down contrarian viewpoints, while insisting the science is "settled."

Well there's only one problem: science is never "settled." Science relies on new studies and findings. It's clear the alarmists are deliberately censoring those who disagree with them, even though there's plenty of studies that contradict that climate change is man-made.


I watched the entire Joe Rogan podcast with Dressler as well as the one with Koonin--- the physicist who was on the day before Dressler who Dressler had disagreement with. And my take on the Fox News article you linked is that is a very lazy mischaracterization of what Dressler said and what was discussed over many hours, just cherry picking a few sentences from the 3 hour podcast.

In the end Dressler indicated he was willing to be on a podcast if Koonin was willing and Rogan could arrange it; he was only saying that it would a bit fruitless to just rehash the difference in the science more than policy discussions on what for example our energy policy could be? The Fox New article on this which you posted appears to just cherry pick a couple of sentences out of the 3 hour podcast to create a click bait news story. A lot was said in the two seperate podcasts which basically equals 6 hours of discussion from two different views. One would need to watch them both to know what was discussed, a short news blurb ain't gonna cut it.
 
Many proposals exist and many of them would improve the position of the working class, yes.
Why would you think that, if you have already stated.
We have a system that is favoring the wealthy and not the working class,
Why would you think the people in control of the system that favors the wealthy would write rules that favor the working class?
 
A serious statement... I don't think it's true.
Maybe you wanted to say 97% of climate scientists in the US are from the Democratic Party?
Nope it is 97%. Worldwide. Not just in the US.

In fact in the rest of the world the conservatives acknowledge the facts. It's not even a debate any more.

Only American conservatives refuse to face facts.

Here are the facts.

 
Except that from your cited link, the "facts" are do not contain much people disagree with.
Scientific Consensus: Earth's Climate Is Warming
Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*:
Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
What is it that they agree with?
That the climate has warmed over the past century, AND that Human activity is likely involved!
 
Earth's climate has warmed significantly since the late 1800s.[a]
This is the fundamental claim of the alarmist and why their charts and graphs all start during that era. You do know that is the depth of the LIA don’t you? Or do you? Of course it’s warmed since the LIA ended and thank god it did. That was a tough period for mankind.
 
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