Yes gslack. They're all out to get you.
All of them.
No ding dong, they got you already. Me, they don't even try to get. It's the ignorant masses (you and other ignorant warmers or greenies) whom they are out to get.
Seriously you just spent several posts claiming the IPCC is a preeminent scientific body, and the fact is they are nothing but an AGW advocacy group,and when shown that their own words speak about what they actually want, you try and deflect onto others your own blind submission?
ROFL. you're some bit of work man.
No ding dong, they got you already. Me, they don't even try to get. It's the ignorant masses (you and other ignorant warmers or greenies) whom they are out to get.
Seriously you just spent several posts claiming the IPCC is a preeminent scientific body, and the fact is they are nothing but an AGW advocacy group,and when shown that their own words speak about what they actually want, you try and deflect onto others your own blind submission?
ROFL. you're some bit of work man.
The science in the IPCC is a review of peer reviewed work.
Your continued railing against all of science does make you seem a bit 'out there'.
No railing against science, just pointing out what you call science is political agenda..
Again. Nature. Science. PNAS.
The top three journals in science agree with me, along with dozens more.
These aren't like newspapers....they are the body of published scientific work which makes up the knowledge of science.
And you are on the opposite side.
AGAIN, you were talking about the IPCC...
Previously I showed you papers from those very journals arguing against the accuracy of models, which you previously claimed were not in those journals.When I pointed them out you denied their relevancy and circle talked and tried to change the claim.. Nice try...
Now is this all we can expect from you? Is this all you bring to the debate? Circle talk and deflection? If so I think you are in fact a disservice to your side of the debate..
Its just called 'flaming' for short
Glad to see you're staying up with the lingo.
But it's not flaming.
Not models. Data.
Try to keep up, won't you?
Your previous claim was the models were accurate and pointedly you asked if they weren't why aren't they shown in the science journals you mentioned... You're lying again now... More of your BS dancing and lying.. Frankly I feel you are a worthless poster here and you bring nothing genuine to the discussion. IMHO, you are trolling for effect.
In other words, pointing out your statements are contrary to contemporary scientific opinion is 'trolling'.
And repeating that fact is it willing to address facts'.
Uh huh.
Is that the material you think I should read?
Or maybe this paper on UV radiation?
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ekwan/ozone.pdf
The work on cosmic rays?
Is this the stuff you think I'm not reading?
Once I started reading that paper, I noticed it is old. Still lots of speculation in that area, but since SORCE was launched, the UV levels are better known. Have you kept up with the data from the TIM and other equipment on SORCE since it started data collection in 2003?As for the UV paper, I downloaded it and will skim over it later, maybe read it. Are any of those authors "alarmist?" My instinct is no, they are not.
I have read stuff on cosmic radiation before, and it is a little understood aspect of climate change. When reading it, I would like you to consider the "Hadley cells." Did I spell that right?
Between 2004 and 2007, the Solar Irradiance Monitor (blue line) measured a decrease in ultraviolet radiation (less than 400 nanometers) that was a factor of four to six larger than expected (black line). In the visible part of the spectrum (400 to 700 nanometers), SIM showed a slight increase in comparison to what was expected. Measurements (red) from another ultraviolet radiation-sensing instrument called SOLSTICE compare well with those from SIM. Note: different scales are used for values at wavelengths less and more than 242 nanometers (see left and right axes respectively). Full story: NASA - SORCE's Solar Spectral Surprise Credit: Joanna Haigh/Imperial College London
Is any of it an "open" peer review process?The science in the IPCC is a review of peer reviewed work.
Your continued railing against all of science does make you seem a bit 'out there'.
The larger the system, the larger the lag.Except the time delay spans several solar cycles. Feel free to present some evidence that temperature changes follow solar changes by 35 years. Oh, wait, that might require a model...
Is any of it an "open" peer review process?
I think if you look into that, you will find it is all a "closed" review process, by like minded individuals.
You mean like the peer review process of every single other scientific discipline?
What other major scientific disciplines findings do you reject?
Physics?
Medicine?
Different styles of review [edit]
In "double-blind" review, the identity of the authors is concealed from the reviewers, and vice versa, lest the knowledge of authorship or concern about disapprobation from the author bias their review. Critics of the double-blind process point out that, despite the extra editorial effort to ensure anonymity, the process often fails to do so, since certain approaches, methods, writing styles, notations, etc., may point to a certain group of people in a research stream, and even to a particular person.[20][21] Proponents of double-blind review argue that it performs at least as well as single-blind, and that it generates a better perception of fairness and equality in global scientific funding and publishing.[22]
Proponents also argue that if the reviewers of a paper are unknown to each other, the associate editor responsible for the paper can easily verify the objectivity of the reviews. Single-blind review is thus strongly dependent upon the goodwill of the participants.
A conflict of interest arises when a reviewer and author have a disproportionate amount of respect (or disrespect) for each other. As an alternative to single-blind and double-blind review, authors and reviewers are encouraged to declare their conflicts of interest when the names of authors and sometimes reviewers are known to the other. When conflicts are reported, the conflicting reviewer is prohibited from reviewing and discussing the manuscript. The incentive for reviewers to declare their conflicts of interest is a matter of professional ethics and individual integrity. While their reviews are not public, these reviews are a matter of record and the reviewer's credibility depends upon how they represent themselves among their peers. Some software engineering journals, such as the IEEE Transactions on Software Engineering, use non-blind reviews with reporting to editors of conflicts of interest by both authors and reviewers.
A more rigorous standard of accountability is known as an audit. Because reviewers are not paid, they cannot be expected to put as much time and effort into a review as an audit requires. Therefore, academic journals such as Science, organizations such as the or the American Geophysical Union, and agencies such as the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation maintain and archive scientific data and methods in the event another researcher wishes to replicate or audit the research after publication.[23][24][25]
Prepublication reviews [edit]
Anonymous peer review [edit]
Anonymous peer review, also called blind review, is a system of prepublication peer review of scientific articles or papers for journals or academic conferences by reviewers who are known to the journal editor or conference organizer but whose names are not given to the article's author. In some cases, the reviewers do not know the author's identity, as any identifying information is stripped from the document before review. The system is intended to reduce or eliminate bias, although this has been challenged – for example Eugene Koonin, a senior investigator at the National Center for Biotechnology Information, asserts that the system has "well-known ills"[26] and advocates "open peer review". Others support blind reviewing because no research has suggested that the methodology may be harmful and the cost of facilitating such reviews is minimal.[27] Some experts proposed blind review procedures for reviewing controversial research topics.[28]
Open peer review [edit]
Main article: Open peer review
Open peer review describes a scientific literature concept and process, central to which is the various transparency and disclosure of the identities of those reviewing scientific publications. The concept thus represents a departure from, and an alternative to, the incumbent anonymous peer review process, in which non-disclosure of these identities toward the public – and toward the authors of the work under review – is default practice. The open peer review concept appears to constitute a response to modern criticisms of the incumbent system; therefore, its emergence may be partially attributed to these phenomena.
Postpublication reviews [edit]
The process of peer review does not end after a paper completes the peer review process. After being put to press, and after 'the ink is dry', the process of peer review continues as publications are read. Readers will often send letters to the editor of a journal, or correspond with the editor via an on-line journal club. In this way, all 'peers' may offer review and critique of published literature. A variation on this theme is open peer commentary; journals using this process solicit and publish non-anonymous commentaries on the "target paper" together with the paper, and with original authors' reply as a matter of course. The introduction of the "epub ahead of print" practice in many journals has made possible the simultaneous publication of unsolicited letters to the editor together with the original paper in the print issue.
LOL,forgetting for a moment the fact peer review is not a statement of anything being a fact or true in any sense.. you are now claiming that all peer review is a closed process? Really? Dude I knew you were lying about being a researcher but that really is ignorant... Damn dude read something will ya...
If you're going to troll, at least make some form of effort in it..
I don't know about physics, but medical research uses an open review process.You mean like the peer review process of every single other scientific discipline?
What other major scientific disciplines findings do you reject?
Physics?
Medicine?
Blind reviews are failing in the climate sciences. Believe as you wish, but it is true.So I guess we can assume your familiarity with peer review comes primarily from Wikipedia?
Blinded review is the standard. Open peer review is still somewhat new and not as well accepted.
But thanks for playing.
Maybe it's dawned on you that you don't quite have a grasp on the process, so maybe-just maybe- the guys who study this for a living might know a little bit more than you.
I don't know about physics, but medical research uses an open review process.
They have secret processes. Skeptics cannot see their data or process in whole. They do this purposely, and if they have real accurate conclusions, then why don't they open their process to convince others?
So I guess we can assume your familiarity with peer review comes primarily from Wikipedia?
Blinded review is the standard. Open peer review is still somewhat new and not as well accepted.
But thanks for playing.
Maybe it's dawned on you that you don't quite have a grasp on the process, so maybe-just maybe- the guys who study this for a living might know a little bit more than you.
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