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Class, today's lesson? Raw ignorance.

You are now simply ignoring facts. All you had to do was follow the link on that post to vet that slide as genuine. You could also do a quick Google to find news coverage on it. Try the terms “Oregon math racist.”

Though I am encouraged you find that slide too fantastic to believe. It’s a sign you might be reasonable if you can get past the desire to remain ignorant to just how destructive Critical Race Theory is becoming to education.

Ahhh... So now we get to the REAL argument you are making.. It’s the boogeyman of CRT you fear...
 
That's not likely to be ..... you guys seem not to understand, the system of slavery had many prongs... none as severe as what happen to black people, but poor whites from various different countries were worked for less than enough to live on to any quality standards, and that could be done because it was easy to low pay people, and threaten them with being replaced by slave labor. If anything poor whites should have been the first group to stand up "against slavery", and bond and work with black people not only to end slavery but to fight together for fair living wage pay.
See... I don't think many of you guys get the fact, that when I write, I have as much concern and interest to see poor and working poor whites advance as I do for seeing black people advance. The two groups are linked together and one used against the other by wealthy people who know, the "divide and conquer game" is a win for the wealthy, and has been for centuries.

I don't ever see working poor and poor white people coming to this understanding, but it is time. Black people are not an enemy of poor whites or working poor whites. History has showing that these groups built this country "together" and the wealthy profited from their combined labors.

I speak a lot against white nationalism and white supremacy, because it abuses both white and black alike, with more violence thrust toward black, but economic violence and social class and caste violence against poor whites and working poor whites. again, that system is profitable to the wealthy.

So... its far past time to stop the promotion of racism and see it for what it is, its a system used to enrich some at the expense of poor whites, working poor whites and non whites and the focus goes to attack black people, as a means to keep the system of racism in place. It needs to be vanquished from this society.

The wealthy have pushed voter repression, that too works against poor whites, working poor whites and minorities, and when white people in these groups see it they will then become awake to stand up, they need to become "woke" if that words makes people understand the need for change, then they need to become "woke".



Now, you and others should ask yourself, why you are not "Woke".... instead of buying into the programming that continue to create a serfdom class for poor and working poor whites.

You create threads meant to sow discord, because you seem to get some kind of twisted delight out of it, while you are a member of the poor and working poor white group that continues to suffer the challenges. If you were not among this group, you likely would not be on this site or any other, because the well to do and wealthy don't spend all day, on these kind of forums, because they already control the narrative by the power of their money and their ability to influence poor and working poor whites by other means.

I share here, to help share in the promotion of "information" that can bring the mind to pursue understanding, awareness and historical information and respect for civil and civic principles of America and American Democracy. My posting are examples of those principles, and anyone is welcome to go through them and they will find that theme throughout the whole of what I write here and on other forums. .

It is Republicanism's leading Right Winger Mentality that does not want the full scope of history taught, but no matter how hard they try to smother over the truth, the truth cannot be destroy by man's denials, omission of discussion, or his fight against its exposure.


there is a need for change in the way we do things but the way you are going about it is going to make it much more likely that China or some sort of authoritarian brand of government will rule us in the future than any sort of socialist paradise.

you can't replace needed curriculums for school that keep us ahead of our world enemies with woke-ism and expect not to lose ground against them, possibly to even lose to them and become their puppet. you do not know ANYTHING about the unavailability of freedoms , human rights and fairness until you have been under their rule.

They will not argue against your diatribes if they disagree , like we do. They will treat you like the uighurs and when they have the power and money to give out, OUR OWN politicians will be glad to propagandize and promote against you as if it is not happening, just like some do now , to get those scraps of power.

everything has a price and a consequence.
 
Ahhh... So now we get to the REAL argument you are making.. It’s the boogeyman of CRT you fear...
You’re only now catching on that this story and those like it are by products of Critical Race Theory?

Better late than never, I suppose.
 
You’re only now catching on that this story and those like it are by products of Critical Race Theory?

Better late than never, I suppose.

Why the need to post an unverifiable story?
 
No, I’ve come around to your side’s way of thinking. Don’t like the facts? Ban them and print new ones.

Are you doubting the veracity of Hamilton’s own cash books or just embarrassed that actual verifiable facts are coming out?
 
I suppose this is one advantage of having Kings and Queens as we can't really sugar coat British history.
Some of them were bloody horrible and some useless but they all happened and we just have to live with it.
Some even have entire eras of history named after them so it'd be rather hard to try and wipe them from history.
 
Thus goes the tale of old dead white men.

Really, beyond basic reading, writing, and arithmetic, most other thing we teach in our K-12 public schools are trivial or niche. I mean if you know how to read there are literally tens of thousands of books about the founders.

Sure, if you are going to be a historian or a politician it maybe helpful to learn about the founders in K-12, but at best that's just going to be names, places, dates, because when we get into motivations and outcomes, the nuance of the issues the founders faced, things can get really political.

We didn't even deal with American history when I was in school, not the Revolutionary War, not the Civil War, and nothing more modern than the Civil War, it was all about human history and the start of civilizations.


That was 40+ years ago, and a fat lot of good any of it ever did me outside of high marks in my school grades.

Todays world is not shaped around ancient civilizations, it's shaped by propaganda in print, on the radio, on the TV, and on the internet, hell, Goebbels would be proud, not that I expect 90% of the people to know that name, what he did, or why it even matters.

How many graduating high school seniors can even find Germany on a map?

They likely couldn't even find their ass with a map, unless GPS tagged it for them.
 
Todays world is not shaped around ancient civilizations, it's shaped by propaganda in print, on the radio, on the TV, and on the internet, hell, Goebbels would be proud, not that I expect 90% of the people to know that name, what he did, or why it even matters.
And here you defeat your own argument. If one has studied Nazi Germany, i.e. studied that particular niche of history more than 40+ years ago, one would be in a better position to recognized "propaganda in print, on the radio, on the TV, and on the internet."

History matters.
 
I suppose this is one advantage of having Kings and Queens as we can't really sugar coat British history.
Some of them were bloody horrible and some useless but they all happened and we just have to live with it.
Some even have entire eras of history named after them so it'd be rather hard to try and wipe them from history.
Who is advocating that history be sugar coated?
 
And here you defeat your own argument. If one has studied Nazi Germany, i.e. studied that particular niche of history more than 40+ years ago, one would be in a better position to recognized "propaganda in print, on the radio, on the TV, and on the internet."

History matters.
Not in the Nanny State, post WWI.

Hell, if people understood history we never would have entered WWI, and there never would have been Hitler's Nazi Party or the 3rd reich.

Empires are actually good for the world, the fall of the Roman Empire plunged us into the Dark Ages. We should have stayed out of Europe's wars, we should have spread our own empire south while we still had a taste for such things. Central and South America are a shit show, how much worse off could they be under our flag.

The fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI and the Allies redrawing of the map in the Middle East has lead us to no end of trouble and was not good for the people there either. The Ottoman Empire was far more progressive in literature, math, science and civilization than the Middle East is now.
 
Hell, if people understood history we never would have entered WWI, and there never would have been Hitler's Nazi Party or the 3rd reich.
You keep contradicting yourself. In post 212 you assert leaning history in school serves no useful purpose. He you claim an understanding of history could have avoided the slaughter of millions.

Which is it, should our public education system aim to ground its students in history or not?
 
You keep contradicting yourself. In post 212 you assert leaning history in school serves no useful purpose. He you claim an understanding of history could have avoided the slaughter of millions.

Which is it, should our public education system aim to ground its students in history or not?
It's just too damned late, generations of nincompoops teaching generations of nincompoops.

You and I may understand history, but good luck teaching it to nincompoops.
 
It's just too damned late, generations of nincompoops teaching generations of nincompoops.

You and I may understand history, but good luck teaching it to nincompoops.
They're teaching them how to become successful YouTube influencers.
 
They're teaching them how to become successful YouTube influencers.
Watching other people play video games.

We'll be ok so long as there is a Youtube video for our heart surgeons to watch before they operate on us.
 
Are you doubting the veracity of Hamilton’s own cash books or just embarrassed that actual verifiable facts are coming out?
Hamilton was a lawyer. There is no more slippery slope than the career of a lawyer whose legal practice can lead him down this path and then another. Even in the era that we have today when there are so many specialized lawyers working in very specific areas of the Law and so much litigation that you can't walk down the street without tripping over one, it can sill be a slippery slope. You can find said attorney "appearing" to be on one side of an issue and then another. See Dershowitz for a modern day example or Mother have Mercy Rudy Giuliani.

I think Serfilippi's original piece regarding Hamilton was written provocatively and lacks context. IMO Serfilippi should have taken what was found in Hamilton's cashbook and apparently other records and researched one layer deeper before categorically claiming Hamilton was a slaver. I would not doubt that he was. I can believe that he was. I can easily believe that at the least Indentured Servants if not outright Slaves worked in his household. I just do not think the Serfilippi research proves it categorically no matter how stridently the claim is made by the author/researcher without having used that cashbook as itself a research tool. How much of Hamilton's activity was a byproduct of his legal practice? How much was he actually promoting and participating in slave auctions and slave sales? How many slaves actually worked for him?

Jefferson for example truly fits the mold of a slaver and slave owner as he had multiple 10's if not 100's of slaves working for him in and around his properties over time.

At least from what I have seen Serfilippi is likely guilty of the same historical malfeasance that archivists throughout the ages are guilty of, recording or archiving the material that helps them tell the story they want to tell as opposed to a fuller more balanced story in context.
 
Thus goes the tale of old dead white men.

Really, beyond basic reading, writing, and arithmetic, most other thing we teach in our K-12 public schools are trivial or niche. I mean if you know how to read there are literally tens of thousands of books about the founders.

Sure, if you are going to be a historian or a politician it maybe helpful to learn about the founders in K-12, but at best that's just going to be names, places, dates, because when we get into motivations and outcomes, the nuance of the issues the founders faced, things can get really political.

We didn't even deal with American history when I was in school, not the Revolutionary War, not the Civil War, and nothing more modern than the Civil War, it was all about human history and the start of civilizations.


That was 40+ years ago, and a fat lot of good any of it ever did me outside of high marks in my school grades.

Todays world is not shaped around ancient civilizations, it's shaped by propaganda in print, on the radio, on the TV, and on the internet, hell, Goebbels would be proud, not that I expect 90% of the people to know that name, what he did, or why it even matters.

How many graduating high school seniors can even find Germany on a map?

They likely couldn't even find their ass with a map, unless GPS tagged it for them.
You do know that GPS is a mapping device as you referenced, it functions as the advance of technology, people don't really need "paper maps" in everyday life. The same as we no longer need pony rider messenger or the telegraph, one can call anyone in the world in any place from a cell phone. Not many people walk around with a paper personal phone book anymore. Many people no longer even carry business cards, they simply give someone their phone number or email address. One can ask, how many here have hand written and mailed a letter over the past few decades? We can now use a number of programs to see who we are talking to in real time. People don't use slide rules to technical design work, they can use Auto-Cad Systems, that generally have very accurate measuring capabilities with very close tolerance.

  • So, why would anyone pass judgment on the younger generation, because technology has given them advanced means and methods to do things.

Many of the older people talking down about the young people, don't go out anymore and hitch a mule to a plow, nor do they strap a horse to a buggy to get around, and they don't have to worry about pully a knob to engage the choke on their vehicles to start it in cold weather. Many have not put water in their car's radiator since they had the car in today's society. Vehicles can parallel park without touching the steering wheel.

  • We should not under-estimate young people, just like we did not want to be under-estimated when we were younger by the older people who fought against or did not understand change.

I do agree that K-12 is basically design for "Introductory" presentations, it is always up to the individual to invest to research the areas they have interest to know more. I did it all through school, I actually enjoyed reading Text books, but I never took all of them at their word, except maybe Math, and now I find that even that was a one dimensional system based method, because people now use many methods to calculate and they are discovering more methods.
I doubt that we will go back to a Sun Dial as a means of telling time, when one can wear a digital watch that does that along with take pictures, make calls, process text messages, check the blood pressure, and much more.

The Paradigm has changed, we cannot expect nor should we expect that thing will stay as they were in times before. Everyone likes to think their Generation of Youth was the Greatest, and it was for them at the time of their youth, but so will the same be true for each coming generation.
Adapting and Adjusting to Change is a Natural Process, plants, animals and human all go through it, only Humans try to fight against it, where animals and plants adapt themselves to the natural flow of change. We even have humans who try to fight against the simple changing of the Seasons, and certainly we have people willing to die to avoid facing and adapting to the changes of civilization and the societies within it. Such types only waste their lives fighting as if they are fighting the blowing wind, or acting pissed off because the water in the river does not stand still. Everything that is alive changes, and even that which is not can too change, by the conditions impact on its existence.

If the creation of humans was not about change, no one would ever grow beyond the point of birth.
 
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It's just too damned late, generations of nincompoops teaching generations of nincompoops.

You and I may understand history, but good luck teaching it to nincompoops.
There we disagree. Nearly every one can learn; we just need to try and teach and, getting back to the OP, not give into the social justice zealots who seek to erase the academic achievement gap by erasing academic achievement.
 
Hamilton was a lawyer. There is no more slippery slope than the career of a lawyer whose legal practice can lead him down this path and then another. Even in the era that we have today when there are so many specialized lawyers working in very specific areas of the Law and so much litigation that you can't walk down the street without tripping over one, it can sill be a slippery slope. You can find said attorney "appearing" to be on one side of an issue and then another. See Dershowitz for a modern day example or Mother have Mercy Rudy Giuliani.

I think Serfilippi's original piece regarding Hamilton was written provocatively and lacks context. IMO Serfilippi should have taken what was found in Hamilton's cashbook and apparently other records and researched one layer deeper before categorically claiming Hamilton was a slaver. I would not doubt that he was. I can believe that he was. I can easily believe that at the least Indentured Servants if not outright Slaves worked in his household. I just do not think the Serfilippi research proves it categorically no matter how stridently the claim is made by the author/researcher without having used that cashbook as itself a research tool. How much of Hamilton's activity was a byproduct of his legal practice? How much was he actually promoting and participating in slave auctions and slave sales? How many slaves actually worked for him?

Jefferson for example truly fits the mold of a slaver and slave owner as he had multiple 10's if not 100's of slaves working for him in and around his properties over time.

At least from what I have seen Serfilippi is likely guilty of the same historical malfeasance that archivists throughout the ages are guilty of, recording or archiving the material that helps them tell the story they want to tell as opposed to a fuller more balanced story in context.
It really goes even deeper, people never want to discuss the sexual activity of these people, and how and what they did with slaves for sexual gratifications, what they did to slaves for medical research and any other category that exist in life, including their homosexual/bi-sexual appetites. We can be certain many of such homosexuals/bisexual among slave owning people men/women during that era, likely had slave(s) they chose who popped them in the butt, and the slave owner women were not exempt for taking her sexual pleasures with slaves, and these slave owners men and women engaged other activity that a society that has been sexually obsessed has done, they did "everything to slaves" except respecting their rights to engage in the whole of society as individuals as equal person.

Sally Hemmings has long been connected to Jefferson, the same as 20th Century Strom Thurmond, a staunch promoter and supporter of segregation, has a black daughter, Essie Mae Washington-Williams was an American teacher and author. She is best known as the eldest child of Strom Thurmond, Washington was the daughter of Carrie Butler, who was 15 or 16 when her daughter was born, and Strom Thurmond, then 22. Carrie Butler worked as a domestic servant for Thurmond's parents.

List of presidents of the United States who owned slaves

Thomas Jefferson owned the most, with 600+ slaves, followed closely by George Washington.
Woodrow Wilson was the last president born into a household with slave labor, though the Civil War concluded during his childhood.
 
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White women have never been the docile non sexually motivated beings that so much of history tries to pretend, or media tries to portray, women have always been as sexually inclined as human beings, including among them heterosexual, bi-sexual and homosexual, anyone who thinks there were not homosexual/bi-sexual white women during slavery is self delusional, and try and make a blind eye to what the premise included for the usage of chamber maids. S/M did not just start in this day and time, and many of the other sexual fetishes that people have.

  • Yet, when people talk about history, slavery and white people, so much tries to sanitize these truths away.

White People history is full of white people's sexual exploits.... they screwed any human being they could get access to, regardless where the person(s) were from or what color their skin or what language they spoke.

  • White people did "everything to slaves" except respecting their rights to engage in the whole of society as individuals as equal person.
  • They only denied it in public, trying to appeal to some "Victorian Ideology", that promoted false delusion about peoples sexual proclivities.
Even still today, people are still "lying" about their sexual proclivities and their sexual indulgences, the same as they have always "publicly lied about it".

Society needs to wake up, and get over the "system of lying about life" like its still the Victorian Era where lying was premier.

 
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