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Civilian owned firearms make American society safer: True or False

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Well?

Not going to load the 1st post with evidence for my opinion. I will let the poll speak for itself.
 

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Not going to load the 1st post with evidence for my opinion. I will let the poll speak for itself.

I made a change to the wording for my vote. That is IMHO although I do not own a gun it makes homeowners safer. Especially in suburban and rural area, where police response time will not be fast enough if someone breaks into my home. Actually thought about getting a gun during the riots of 2020.
 

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it makes homeowners safer

Not according to people who study this stuff for living... E.g.

"Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."

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So much for extra "safety".
 

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At the end of the day I feel 1,000 times more safe in Canada than anywhere in the US.

Why? The murder rate in BC is not appreciably different than that of many US states.
 

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False.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier​


 

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Far far safer than if you had some kind of socialist "well-regulated militia" notion.
 

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There are comparative stats for that. They don't tell the whole story but...
 

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Civilians in Australia are allowed to own guns.
Australia banned guns for personal protection.

Would you be down to do the same here?
 

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I made a change to the wording for my vote. That is IMHO although I do not own a gun it makes homeowners safer. Especially in suburban and rural area, where police response time will not be fast enough if someone breaks into my home. Actually thought about getting a gun during the riots of 2020.

Of course, I think this makes Americans safer. From the following:

1. An overweening government.
2. Criminals seeking to rob, rape, brutalize or otherwise harm.
3. Foreign threats who know we are one of the most armed populations in the world.
4. Any other dangerous threats.

It is one of the foundations of our liberty, and worth fighting for.
 

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Foreign threats who know we are one of the most armed populations in the world.

Foreign countries are skeered to try a land invasion of the USA because they know JoeBob and Cletus-Sue have AR15s. LMAO. Spectacularly stupid concept imo. :LOL:
 

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Which is meaningless, because you can own one for sport shooting, and still use it to murder people.

Rigorous permitting of select guns sounds like common sense regulation to me. You down for that?

It occurs to me that you talk a lot about drunk driving. We have laws against drunk driving, yet people still do it. Maybe we should abolish those laws because they don’t stop 100% of drunk driving
 

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Rigorous permitting of select guns sounds like common sense regulation to me. You down for that?

No, I'm not, any more than I'm down for "rigorous permitting" for consumption of "select" types of alcohol.

It occurs to me that you talk a lot about drunk driving. We have laws against drunk driving, yet people still do it. Maybe we should abolish those laws because they don’t stop 100% of drunk driving

That's a silly comment. I don't know anyone who seriously thinks we should abolish the gun laws we currently have.

Reasonable minds can differ over whether we should have stricter gun laws or driving laws. If the people who are pushing for stricter gun laws really cared about saving lives, however, they would be focusing a significant portion of those efforts on saving lives from drunk and reckless drivers. But they don't do that because they're hypocrites: they only care about saving lives if it requires OTHER people to give up something.
 

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Foreign countries are skeered to try a land invasion of the USA because they know JoeBob and Cletus-Sue have AR15s. LMAO. Spectacularly stupid concept imo. :LOL:

Do you know how many military veterans there are in the USA?

16.5 million per the 2021 Census. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2022/veterans-day.html

Let me rephrase: 16,500,000.

Then we have the estimate that as many as 81 million Americans own guns. https://americangunfacts.com/gun-ownership-statistics/

The Chinese People's Liberation Army is the largest in the world, but is only a little over 2 million. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/29-largest-armies-in-the-world.html

So yeah, the fact that we have an armed population is likely daunting.
 

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No, I'm not, any more than I'm down for "rigorous permitting" for consumption of "select" types of alcohol.

Which we do, moonshine is illegal.

That's a silly comment. I don't know anyone who seriously thinks we should abolish the gun laws we currently have.

That’s not what pro-Gun people say. They say that since criminals break laws, more laws are pointless.

Reasonable minds can differ over whether we should have stricter gun laws or driving laws. If the people who are pushing for stricter gun laws really cared about saving lives, however, they would be focusing a significant portion of those efforts on saving lives from drunk and reckless drivers. But they don't do that because they're hypocrites: they only care about saving lives if it requires OTHER people to give up something.

Cars, booze, and guns are not equal. Cars serve a purpose. Obviously we tolerate a lot of collateral damage because of their use case. Alcohol is more debatable. Guns have the weakest use case. How can one argue it’s necessary they must shoot skeet in order to get through life.
 

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the fact that we have an armed population is likely daunting.

Yeah.....its "daunting" alright. To schoolchildren, moviegoers, Walmart shoppers etc.
China and Russia sure dont give a crap though.
 

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Which we do, moonshine is illegal.

Not exactly, but it's also illegal to own a newly manufactured machine gun. So are we done?

That’s not what pro-Gun people say. They say that since criminals break laws, more laws are pointless.

I'm a pro gun person and I don't say that. I don't think a lot of other pro gun people say that either. You just don't understand what they're saying.

Cars, booze, and guns are not equal. Cars serve a purpose.

So do guns. What is the purpose of allowing people to own cars that can go faster than the speed limit? What is the purpose of alcohol?

Obviously we tolerate a lot of collateral damage because of their use case.

A lot of that collateral damage could be easily prevented if we passed some laws comparable to what gun control advocates want to do for guns.

Alcohol is more debatable. Guns have the weakest use case. How can one argue it’s necessary they must shoot skeet in order to get through life.

Why do they have to argue that? Do they need alcohol for that? Do they need a car that can go 100 mph for that?
 
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