Civil War (1 Viewer)

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It is clear that the Bush Administration will draw some sort of line in the sand with their new Mexican slave labor policy. But the rhetoric here in the Pacific Northwest has become increasingly elevated in the past week and uniquely not from the socialists. A point has been made that the Bush Administration was choosing a communist illiterate racist peasant indian over their constituency, this is true. They are choosing a neo-slave over their bread and butter. Out with the $45,000+ a year family man, who follows all the rules, pays taxes, obeys the laws, bears the brunt of the administrations mistakes and supports the war in Iraq. This administration is wiling to throw this demographic to the lions for what they think will be a quick vote? Do they actually believe that these nationalist hispanic racist people will vote for them?!?! The rhetoric that is floating around right now speaks to this utter and irreparable betrayal of Americans. And is it not a betrayal? Are we not actually a nation of laws? Because by saying that it is okay for 11-20 million people to break the law, what then is the point of having laws? What do we have then? A nation that is governed not by votes or by laws but by shear numbers of law breakers? Many people in the Puget Sound area, which includes some famous business owners, entrepreneurs, students, laborers and the rest of the old republican constituency are teaming with some unlikely allies. These include some of the very old school democrats and workers unions. There is a lot at stake and it is important that "our" administration realize this. NO consideration has been made of the social implications of this and that means our leaders are very detached. I only say this as someone who was born and raised in the southwest so I know all too well about the Mexican flags being shoved in peoples faces. I know all too well about their machismo (the other night on Fox that Mexican professor from UCLA wanted to physically hurt Michelle Malkin, he couldn't stand a woman telling him anything). I also know ALL too well about their violence and lack of reason and nazi-like dedication to MEXICO. I grew up having to make concessions on simple things like intelligent rhetoric, knowledge and patriotism to my country just to fit in! These are the demands being made by these nationalist transformists...they seek their atzlan, their la raza unida-Do we just hand it over? Do we just let our administration destroy us? This is how we are repaid with our loyalty. They expect that they can squeeze this out of us, that we will be here for them regardless. They are counting on the opiate-like calm of our highly taxed houses and uber convenience to make us forget, lose our dignity in a barrage of sound bytes and double speak. For 50 years they have lied to us and we have let it happen. We are a nation of laws. I am not really sure that I want to live in a nation that has betrayed my long life of service, my veteranship, my loyalty and my patriotism. What then do I have left? The comfort of this mexican amnesty quilt? Nothing so porous will ever keep me warm. Is this in fact our own leaders turning the pistol on us for their lust of the moment? Not for me and I must say that this is a line I will not cross. As always, our forefathers have said it best:

A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.
Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

Accept nothing less than deportation! They attempt to lose deportation in a mountain of rhetoric citing logistics...But I propose, what cost is the law? Will civil war be our voice?

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

Marbleheader I agree wtih you 110%. Our politicians are selling us out like the whores they are thinking they will pick up a few extre votes.

But you know what I think is really going to happen. The hispanics are going to play the Republicans game. They are going to vote for the republicans. Then the smiling republicans who think they are getting a new bloc of voters to counter the democrats black voting bloc are going to suffer a rude awakening.

The hispanics are only using the republicans to get larger numbers. Once they reach the crucial 50% majority in Texas, Arizona, and California (they already reached it in New Mexico) they will begin voting against republicans and democrats and voting in mexican nationalists who support mexican causes. They are playing the republicans for fools.

It will take between 10 and 20 years for the other 3 southwest states to reach a hispanic majority. At that time we can kiss the southwest goodbye. Because once the hispanics start putting more hispanic politicians in office, the laws of the area will change to reflect purely Mexican and not American interests.

After that, when the entire area is of Mexican culture, a spanish language, a nationalistic frenzy of pro-mexican Americans who are American only by name,what will the bleeding heart liberals do then? You just going to hand the Southwest over to a bunch of fanatical mexican loyalists?

The atmosphere of appeasment was created by the bleeding heart liberals, but the republicans have caved into the demands as well.

The liberals just want to do everything they can for their hispanic friends. The only problem is the more they encourage this kind of law breaking, the worse they make it for everyone. By not encouraging hispanics to assimilate, by not making mandatory laws to force them to learn english, American history, and American culture before they are allowed citizenship, they are sowing the seeds of a future war between the Federal Government of the USA and the American Southwest which within the next 20 years will look Mexican, talk spanish, be of Mexican culture, of Mexical allegience, and be American only in name.

And at that point what will the appeasing republicans and bleeding heart liberals do? At that point you will have only 2 choices because rather than assimilate the people, you just let them flood in and form an illegal mexican nation right in the sourthwest of our own nation.

"Mao Tse-tung knew that political power is derived from military power, plain and simple, and the Great Helmsman knew much about real power. Mao Tse-tung, it should be recalled, led a long, bloody, and successful guerrilla campaign in China, defeating both the Imperial Japanese Army and the rival, western-supported forces. His works on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare are closely studied at West Point, and all other military academies worldwide. Mao Tse-tung held that there are three necessary conditions for a guerrilla movement to succeed:

Condition 1 is the active support of a significant portion of the population, say 10%. It is sufficient that the remainder are apathetic or terrorized into submission.

(By 2015 50% of the southwest will be mexicans from mexico)

Condition 2 is secure sanctuaries for the guerrilla formations to operate from. An adjacent country whose government actively supports the guerrillas is ideal, but in-country sanctuaries such as jungles, swamps or moun- tains will suffice.

Condition 3 is ongoing aid from a foreign government in the form of financial assistance, armaments, diplomatic and other support (Samuel B, Griffith, Mao Tse-Tung on Guerrilla Warfare, Praeger Publishers, p. 27,28. Originally published in 196, but this edition containsan introduction of post-Vietnam vintage).

American patriots enjoyed all three of Mao Tse-tung's conditions in their struggle against the British Empire and won. The Confederacy of our first civil war lacked ongoing foreign assistance and lost. While neither of these were entirely guerilla wars, they do serve to lend credence to Mao Tse-tung's observations."


The Mexicans moving into Americans Sourthwest will enjoy all 3 of Mao's required conditions to successfully break away from America.

 

[Marbleheader]

Thats a really good point in illustrating the collectivist intent of the illegals. Do you have a citation where I can read up more on those three points of Mao? *edit I saw it sorry.

I am definitely amazed that Republicans think that the folk responsible for the pictures below are going to vote for them, it's mindblowing!

 

[Marbleheader]

I'm sorry man, I missed the reference I was to busy reading the content.

 

[RealmOfThePureForms]

I'm sorry man, I missed the reference I was to busy reading the content.

What are you looking for? I'm confused about your question? You want more info about Mao? Or you want information about guerrilla warfare movements that have failed or succeeded throughout history based on the 3 observed rules that Mao realized were required for a guerrilla movement to succeed.

 

[Marbleheader]

I was asking for a reference to the Mao thing, but for some reason I skipped over it. When I re-read your post I found it. But if you have other interesting guerilla war refs let me know. I am limited to stuff like BH Liddel Hart and the like.

 

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Let me propose an observation. There is a constant misconception, generally to do with the illegal aliens that are here. It makes its way into news anchor discourse by means of talking points like "out of the shadows" and "they'll go underground." A few weeks ago many of the illegals were parading about with flags of Che, Mexico, AFL CIO and Venezula. Some reporters and commentators made notice of this and mentioned that it "may" be hurting their cause. Almost overnight, they were told to wear white (this spreads out in video images, especially arial shots) and to brandish american flags. Point being...These are a highly centralized group from which they can be accessed and directed, so somebody knows they are there. This isn't in the shadows at all. Secondly, a group is controlling them and funding them . This is important because the president slated to replace Vicente Fox is a Hugo Chavez type. What country in the history of the world wouldn't have loved to have control of 20 million people in another countries land?
What I don't understand is why all the apathy? Why aren't people enraged at the obvious and chronic disregard of Rule Of Law? What will it take, or have we already lost? The illegals haven't really exposed their true face yet except briefly in Portland OR. They became enraged at a group of counter protesters and attacked them. These are violent collectivists and what gets me to no end is that they are illegally here making demands of our government! I don't understand this?!?!
Does anyone not see the ramifications of this?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. Sure I do, we need to build that 30' concrete wall now, and send back all the illegals, make the wall impossible to cross, we know how to do it.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

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A 5 minute audio message from Tom Tancredo and JD Hayworth
Audio Message

 

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Also check out this ancillary result of amnesty.
Fake ID business booms in Los Angeles
California metropolis is the forged document capital of America
By George Lewis
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 8:05 p.m. ET March 23, 2006

LOS ANGELES - The Federal Trade Commission says identity theft is one of the fastest-growing crimes in the country. The thieves often use phony Social Security numbers belonging to innocent citizens — and do it with the greatest of ease.

URL: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11980592/

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[Marbleheader]

Okay, my bad.

This link is also a good source, I believe of the question at play which is Rule Of Law.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0892a.asp

 

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Please if you aren't convinced at what is going on...check this out:
http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

 

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The "new" push from the left for this invasion is multiculturalism? From an anthropological perspective all culture really is is food. But I think that the mythology that is at play now is simply semantic. They don't want a guest worker program, they want amnesty. Certain diversions have been made which speak of broader security and the like, but the truth is...They won't secure the border and they have the ability to..The facts are already there for the taking, of the 20 million only 2-4% are working at any given time, there aren't 20 million jobs that Americans wont do, so that puts the remaining memebers on the social dole. And any man of common sense knows that the will NOT enforce anything.

BUT the bigger problem here is Rule of Law! Our government is basically stating that mob rule trumps the rule of law. That any law may be broken if it is done in mass. But the main point is that foreigners, here illegally are petitioning our government to change laws against our will and rule of law. At what point does this not set off warning bells? I have already established-to some extent-that these are foreignly funded, highly organized collectivists, who disregard our rule of law, disrespect our soveriegnty, demand redress to their liking, intend to change the social landscape and are nationalisitcally dedicated to the nation of Mexico. What part of this don't people understand is wrong? Are we too fearful of inconvenience and too "fattened" by our luxury that we are just going to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that over the past twenty years we haven't been invaded? Seriously, with all the pro-war rhetoric and quotes thrown about by the administration, the simply believe by adopting the talking points of the collectivist left that this will suffice...?!?! and noone will notice?!?!?!?

In reviewing and reading and studying history thru the years, when I have come upon a transformative event I often wondered what it would be like at that time...In retrospect if x would have done y then this could have been easily averted. If "they" had only seen the writing on the wall a few years prior...etc. Now I know that if we allow our government to betray the rule of law, we will set in place the justification of civil disobediance for individual gains. Aristotle warned of this. At what point does blatant disregard for the rule of law end? It may not come tommorrow, or the next day, but when people begin to utter in unison "why should I have to obey this if our own government doesn't" and this idea is picked up in mass?!?!?! Enforcement will become trivial and unrenderable. So I say mark this moment in history, collect souvenirs, because what you are going to witness, however subtle and intangible now, is the slow unravelling of a civilization. Imagine 100 million people organizaing in the streets refusing to pay any taxes or demanding social welfare. And why shoudln't they, I mean even someone from another country can do this, why can't an American, right? I don't know about other people, but I can see the decay coming and I do not want to be an angry armchair "I told you so" type. Either Americans act now or the lose their soveriengty, it is that simple.

 

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Please view! Please take a second to realize what is happening everyone...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr87jW1XeJQ&search=immigration
Check the videos on this page the first video is the direct link above:

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/

 

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Current evidence of the reconquista Maywood California
California Town offers sanctuary to illegal aliens...

The town has voted in amendments which will make it illegal to enforce illegal immigration laws.
They also recently disbanded the traffic division stating "that the traffic officers were unfairly targeting illegals."
The town has plans to rename its elementary school after a Mexican President.
This town already has a 79% illegal Mexican population. 97% Hispanic.

This quote was disheartening to read, but I place it here as it illustrates my point:


“About 15 years before the Civil War, much of the American West was northern Mexico,” Bush says in the video. “The people who lived there weren’t called Latinos or Hispanics. They were Mexican citizens, until all that land became part of the United States.

“After that, many of them were treated as foreigners in their own land,” Bush adds.
[Immigrant Issues Are Personal for Bush, LA Times, 4/2/06]

 

[Marbleheader]

Civil war as I present with the title of this thread I mean as reformation, a sort of revolution from which, amidst the chaos several other things can be fixed as well. But I am continuously alarmed by how many people are dismissive of the current conditions facing our nation. How apathy and luxury have turned us into loathers and arm chair complainers. Haven't we seen this somewhere before?

"The warlike states of antiquity, Greece, Macedonia, and Rome, educated a race of soldiers; exercised their bodies, disciplined their courage, multiplied their forces by regular evolutions, and converted the iron which they possessed into strong and serviceable weapons. But this superiority insensibly declined with their laws and manners; and the feeble policy of Constantine and his successors armed and instructed, for the ruin of the empire, the rude valour of the Barbarian mercenaries."
- Gibbon

 

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Republicans have milled about a possible promotion of a Constitutionalist candidate as a protest vote. I have absolutely no faith in a Constitutionalist candidate. I believe the problem is rooted more in generational methodologies rather than so called beliefs. There may be no adequate baby boomer aged individuals who are qualified to lead. But there will be nothing to lead soon, since concession by our internationalist fetishes in the executive office will spark validation amongst the illegal populace. Unfortunately, we will see a series of communities fall off from federal rule, so to speak, and not govern themselves, but create racially based nationalistic hispanic enclaves with a social dedication to Mexico. What is at play now is a lack of fear of reprecussion, this is the scent almost always smelled before anarchy. Anarchy always the mask for power grabs. Besides the obvious collectivist and racial transformations being attempted by the illegals, there will be a rift dug too deeply in the hearts of thinking men to ever have faith in such a minor reformation as protest voting. All clear seeing men will view politicians without the standard fare of suspended disbelief, thus fueling the seperatist forces of the illegals. There is no constitutionalist who would be able to enact enforcement because any member of this party that gains ground will be punished in the house by the federalists and the radical left. We are left with something that I see emerging as well, which is the La Raza Unida party, which will obviously gain local and municipal votes etc etc. The voting game can no longer be played, it is akin to dressing up in babrbarian masks and delving into orgies, while gauls and huns tear thru the outlands. I believe that representation can no longer be achieved because illegals are being allowed to vote. If only one votes then the system is poisoned.

 

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The Real Mexican Revolution


by J. R. Nyquist



In the Winter 2005/06 Edition of The National Interest, in an article titled “Mexico’s Wasted Chance,” Fredo Arias-King laments the failure of Mexican President Vicente Fox. Why did Fox fail? Why did he compromise his reforms? The key may be found in Fox’s appointment of Jorge Castaneda as Mexico’s foreign minister. This is the same Jorge Castaneda who assisted communists like Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega in the 1980s. This is the same Jorge Castaneda who called for the destabilization of the U.S. economy through a debt moratorium, who also called for legal measures against Americans in Mexico. It is no wonder that Foreign Minister Castaneda abrogated Mexico’s mutual defense pact with the United States and, according to Arias-King, “flew with Fox to Nicaragua to publicly embrace [Daniel] Ortega, who was attempting to return to power.”


The linkages between Fox and Ortega and Castro are suggestive. More recently, the frontrunner in Mexico’s upcoming presidential election has been publicly accused of accepting secret financial support from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (i.e., a rising communist dictator). One might admit, with regard to Mexican succession, that there is a pattern. And this pattern takes on greater importance in light of America’s illegal immigration crisis, especially since the illegal immigrants are being politically organized. A Nationwide General Immigrant Strike has been scheduled for May Day. The Immigrant Solidarity Network has laid out its plan: “We are calling [for] No Work, No School, No Sales, and No Buying, and also to have rallies around symbols of economic trade in your areas [on] May 1st to protest the anti-immigrant bill.” What is the ultimate objective of the strike? “We will settle for nothing less than full amnesty and dignity for the millions of undocumented workers presently in the U.S.”

And what happens if the protestors succeed?

When all immigrants are to be amnestied as citizens with full rights to social services, the United States will be transformed into a socialist republic. Once enfranchised, the newly minted immigrant voters will undoubtedly favor a transfer of wealth from the American middle class to a dominant underclass. Donations for this outcome are to be sent (where else?) to “The Peace Center/ActionLA,” 8124 West 3rd Street in Los Angeles. In other words, the immigrant strike is being organized by the socialists of the anti-war movement; by the Worker’s World Party and ANSWER, described as “anti-American, anti-war, anti-capitalism, pro-Saddam, pro-North Korea….”


On May 5, 1984, when the global struggle between communism and capitalism was in the spotlight, Mexican publisher and journalist Maneul Moreno Rivas offered his thoughts to the Arizona Southern District of Rotary International. He spoke of sinister “parades and demonstrations that were organized simultaneously in almost all the cities of the United States.” He spoke of revolutionary warfare and “the tremendous economic crisis” that was destroying Mexico. “In spite of the fact that you have immediate and lengthy information … there is a tremendous confusion, a lack of complete and truthful understanding in the mind of the citizens of the United States as to what is really going on….”

Manuel Moreno Rivas was speaking at a time when communism was in the open, backed by the power of the Soviet Union. Now this power is hidden. And it has done surprising things, gaining momentum since 1991. Cuba is a fortress of Communism, he explained. “In the course of the last 25 years, Cuba was converted into the largest arsenal of Latin America.” The Cubans have been trained to spread terror and revolution. But, he said, “The advance of communism in Mexico is an altogether different story. The tactics and methods utilized by the Kremlin to make of Mexico a communist country, have been more subtle, more intelligent, more prolonged….”

Immediately following the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, Moscow sent agents into Mexico. These agents, according to Rivas, took an “active and important part in every significant issue of Mexican politics.” Hundreds of operatives penetrated the main political organizations and movements of the country. Among Moscow’s agents, said Rivas, “you will find high ranking government heads, bright and educated financiers….” The Russians, he explained, “know the psychology of the Mexicans and how they react to different incentives and pressures. They make, through their complete and well-informed dossiers, specific personal studies of the men in power and of those important men who wish to ascend…. Once in power, those native politicians take the role of puppets whose strings are pulled efficiently from the desks of the Russian embassy.”

One may question whether such a thing is possible. But we know, as a matter of record, that other nations have succumbed to this type of infiltration. Manuel Moreno Rivas tells us that the “Russians knew, when they began their work in Mexico, that the most effective weapon to attain their ends was the power to educate. Since the middle 1930s they were able to place in the highest posts … the most convinced and able Marxists….” Teacher education was the strategic high ground, and it was taken without resistance. “Thus,” said Rivas, “for generations, the children of Mexico have received a biased education. They have been taught to hate the imperialist Americans as the source of all evil and to worship communistic heroes.”
Mexican textbooks give favorable mention to Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. According to Rivas, “Most of the teachers in Mexico belong to the Communist Party.” All teachers need not be communists, of course, since any deviation from the revolutionary curriculum “is punished by immediate destitution.” When Manuel Moreno Rivas was speaking before the Rotary International, Mexico’s Minister of Education was Augustin Reyes Heroles, an open communist militant. In many ways, of course, Mexico has been a communist regime in practice (if not in theory). The Mexican state has owned the country’s railroads, airlines, power grid, telephone company, fishing, mining and sugar industries, iron and steel foundries, the oil industry, etc. Mexico is a country in which land has been seized for the creation of collective farms. “You are well aware of the results of such practices,” said Rivas to his American listeners. “The peasants abandon the land and become braceros, illegally crossing the border of the United States in an effort to work and send money [home] so that their families may survive.”

According to Rivas, Mexico’s presidents have been KGB agents since the days of Luis Echeverria and his successor, Jose Lopez Portillo. In accordance with Russia’s long-range plan, the main policy of Mexico’s corrupt presidents has been to keep Mexico destitute. This, in turn, forces millions of Mexicans across the border into the U.S. “The big giant is sick,” said Echeverria in a 1984 speech. “[T]he enormous idol that holds the capitalistic structure has clay feet…. The cancer cells that we have injected in his bloodstream are working steadily and efficiently in an organism that is already corroded….”

As we watch illegal aliens take to the streets, as we witness the paralysis of American institutions in the face of foreign intimidation and socialist propaganda, we should recall Manuel Moreno Rivas’s final question: “How far have Russian agents advanced in the penetration and infiltration of your schools and universities, of your churches, of your labor unions, of your political parties, of your media and of your civic organizations?” No one today would dare to make an answer. Rivas further warned, “When you see civic and religious and racist conglomerates unite under a single command and stage parades and demonstrations on the same day and the same hour in every important town and city in the United States … you can appraise the magnificent organization that it takes to launch such a campaign….”

Welcome to the real Mexican Revolution.

 

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Talking points when you call your Senator and Representative:

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Enforcement and attrition are the solutions, not AMNESTY. Pro-amnesty supporters claim the only solution to the crisis is legalization because mass deportation is not feasible. Actually enforcement of existing laws is the only solution as rewarding illegal aliens will trigger even more mass illegal migration. The priority of elected officials must be citizens, not corporations, not illegal aliens and not organizations. The problem must be fixed first and the problem of millions of illegal aliens can be dealt with by Attrition. Once laws are enforced most illegal aliens will return to their homeland.
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Illegal migration is not a human right. Pro-amnesty supporters portray the plight of illegal aliens as a human rights issue. However, violating the borders of a sovereign nation is not a right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states: "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Yet human rights advocates vociferously and erroneously claim such a right without justification as such a right is not provided in the widely accepted human rights declaration. See Rights.
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Enforcement and AMNESTY are incompatible. AMNESTY is rewarding law breakers and enforcement is punitive and are mutually exclusive. It is totally hypocrisy to claim one is for AMNESTY but against illegal immigration. Our borders must be secured. Armed Mexican military must be prevented from crossing our borders. Our government must be forced to refuse to accept fraudulent documents used by illegal aliens.
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It's an AMNESTY. The open border elites claim the guest worker bills are not amnesty because they do not require payment of a token fine before eligibility for permanent residency (green card) or because they do not offer a path to citizenship. That is a flat-out lie. The laws governing illegal immigration bar legal reentry into the United States for several years before eligibility is restored. A token fine is a thinly disguised waiver of the penalty. Amnesty is defined as waiving of a penalty. Illegal aliens are subject to deportation. The various guest worker bills waives the deportation penalty. Duh, it's an AMNESTY.
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Guest worker programs have been world-wide failures. Many of the immigrant problems in England such as the London bombings and French Muslim riots are a lingering result of non-assimilation from post-WWII guest worker programs. The US Bracero program was a failure. Even many pro-illegal immigration ethnic advocates admit guest worker programs are failures. This aspect has received little debate, yet the Senate is poised to embark on a direction that promises huge future problems of non-assimilation and radicalization of third-class workers.
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Guest workers are permanent. Pro-illegal invasion supporters tout the program as temporary, but that is another flat-out lie. Our immigration programs are riff with facts proving that foreign nationals, once here, do not return to their homeland.
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Guest worker programs are a threat to homeland security. Senators should know this, but apparently are prepared to ignore this key problem with any guest worker program. The one key question Senators are unwilling and unprepared to answer is who will do the background checks on the illegal aliens participants and new guest workers? The fact is the Department of Homeland Security is utterly incapable of carrying out this vital function.
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Guest workers mean more unemployed and underemployed Americans. The continued mass influx of foreign worker who work for less means the continued displacement of legal American workers and a further degradation of benefits for American workers. The current guest worker proposals include massive increases in H-1B visas indicating that the true intent of elites is to flood all industries with cheap foreign labor. American workers in all industries will be under further wage depression and loss of benefits.
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Guest worker amnesty means more illegal migration. History has clearly shown that amnesties cause more illegal migration. After the huge 1986 amnesty which was supposedly 'the last amnesty' the rate of illegal immigration exploded to the current level of upwards of 20 million illegal aliens in the US today. See "Chief Administrator of the 1986 Amnesty Speaks Out Against Repeating a Failed Policy."

Citizen action is urgently needed!!

 

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We wanted cheap labor but we got human beings.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060328-102545-2371r.htm

The article in case link goes down is from the Washington Times By Tony Blankley
March 29, 2006

It is lucky America has more than two centuries of mostly calm experience with self-government. We are going to need to fall back on that invaluable patrimony if the immigration debate continues as it has started this season. The Senate is attempting to legislate into the teeth of the will of the American public. The Senate Judiciary Committeemen — and probably a majority of the Senate — are convinced that they know that the American people don't know what is best for them.
National polling data could not be more emphatic — and has been so for decades. Gallup Poll (March 27) finds 80 percent of the public wants the federal government to get tougher on illegal immigration. A Quinnipiac University Poll (March 3) finds 62 percent oppose making it easier for illegals to become citizens (72 percent in that poll don't even want illegals to be permitted to have driver's licenses). Time Magazine's recent poll (Jan. 24-26) found 75 percent favor "major penalties" on employers of illegals, 70 percent believe illegals increase the likelihood of terrorism and 57 percent would use military force at the Mexican-American border.
An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (March 10-13) found 59 percent opposing a guest-worker proposal, and 71 percent would more likely vote for a congressional candidate who would tighten immigration controls.
An IQ Research poll (March 10) found 92 percent saying that securing the U.S. border should be a top priority of the White House and Congress.
Yet, according to a National Journal survey of Congress, 73 percent of Republican and 77 percent of Democratic congressmen and senators say they would support guest-worker legislation.
I commend to all those presumptuous senators and congressmen the sardonic and wise words of Edmund Burke in his 1792 letter to Sir Hercules Langrishe: "No man will assert seriously, that when people are of a turbulent spirit, the best way to keep them in order is to furnish them with something substantial to complain of." The senators should remember that they are American senators, not Roman proconsuls. Nor is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee some latter-day Praetor Maximus.
But if they would be dictators, it would be nice if they could at least be wise (until such time as the people can electorally forcefully project with a violent pedal thrust their regrettable backsides out of town). It was gut-wrenching (which in my case is a substantial event) to watch the senators prattle on in their idle ignorance concerning the manifold economic benefits that will accrue to the body politic if we can just cram a few million more uneducated illegals into the country. ( I guess ignorance loves company.) Beyond the Senate last week, in a remarkable example of intellectual integrity (in the face of the editorial positions of their newspapers) the chief economic columnists for the New York Times and The Washington Post — Paul Krugman and Robert Samuelson, respectively — laid out the sad facts regarding the economics of the matter. Senators, congressmen and Mr. President, please take note.
Regarding the Senate's and the president's guest-worker proposals, The Post's Robert Samuelson writes: "Gosh, they're all bad ideas ... We'd be importing poverty. This isn't because these immigrants aren't hardworking, many are. Nor is it because they don't assimilate, many do. But they generally don't go home, assimilation is slow and the ranks of the poor are constantly replenished ... [It] is a conscious policy of creating poverty in the United States while relieving it in Mexico ... The most lunatic notion is that admitting more poor Latino workers would ease the labor market strains of retiring baby boomers ? Far from softening the social problems of an aging society, more poor immigrants might aggravate them by pitting older retirees against younger Hispanics for limited government benefits ... [Moreover], t's a myth that the U.S. economy 'needs' more poor immigrants.
"The illegal immigrants already here represent only about 4.9 percent of the labor force." (For all Mr. Samuelson's supporting statistics, see his Washington Post column of March 22, from which this is taken.) Likewise, a few days later, the very liberal and often partisan Paul Krugman of the New York Times courageously wrote : "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the [government] benefits they receive ? As the Swiss writer Max Frisch wrote about his own country's experience with immigration, 'We wanted a labor force, but human beings came.' " Mr. Krugman also observed — citing a leading Harvard study — "that U.S. high school dropouts would earn as much as 8 percent more if it weren't for Mexican immigration. That's why it's intellectually dishonest to say, as President Bush does, that immigrants 'do jobs that Americans will not do.' The willingness of Americans to do a job depends on how much that job pays — and the reason some jobs pay too little to attract native-born Americans is competition from poorly paid immigrants." Thusly do the two leading economic writers for the nation's two leading liberal newspapers summarily debunk the economic underpinning of the president's and the Senate's immigration proposals.
Under such circumstances, advocates of guest-worker/amnesty bills will find it frustratingly hard to defend their arrogant plans by their preferred tactic of slandering those who disagree with them as racist, nativist and xenophobic.
When the slandered ones include not only The Washington Post and the New York Times, but about 70 percent of the public, it is not only bad manners, but bad politics.
The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later. And, the more brazen the opposing politicians, the sooner will come the triumph.
So legislate on, you proud and foolish senators — and hasten your political demise.

 

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So we can overturn the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, defeat Hitler, lead the world in scientific discoveries, have the strongest economy on the planet, but we can't deport law breakers? At what cost is rule of law anyways. If my government cannot deport law breakers than this is an invitation for anarchy.
Below is an article quoting Bush stating "Massive deportation of the people here is not going to work". How is the American public supposed to trust our government after this?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/24/D8H6GU60B.html

 

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The Mexican Nationalist Socialists are planning their anti-US pro illegal immigration assembly for May 1st. Ever wonder the significance of using this day? Check this link:
http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/index.htm

The 3 major forces behind the illegal aliens are MEChA,Atzlan and Raza.

Get information here:
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Recall link for the Mayor of embattled LA:
http://www.lawatchdog.com/KissLAgoodby6329.html

Former Mexican president Zadillo addressing a Chicago audience making declarations about the Mexican border:
http://americanpatrol.com/WMV/zedilloaffirmedincontext01.wmv

A redux/alternate link of the atzlan montage with audio from the rally organizers:
http://lawatchdog.net/videoclips/aztlan_caps.wmv

http://www.americanpatrol.com/WMV/060403-Dobbs-Insurrection-56K.wmv

The May Day Mayday article:
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/vassilaros/s_446855.html
If it goes down:

A May Day mayday



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By Dimitri Vassilaros
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, April 24, 2006

Armando Navarro is on the verge of doing more to end illegal immigration in America than anyone in the Bush administration. (Speaking of damning with faint praise.) But Mr. Navarro does not know it.

Even when he candidly admits that the invasion of illegal aliens will not slow even if every illegal now in America qualifies for amnesty.

Mr. Navarro, a University of California, Riverside, professor and coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, is organizing an international boycott of American goods and services on May Day to pressure this republic to instantly morph the 11 million-plus illegal aliens here into legal ones.

His organization and others are asking immigrants in America to boycott work, school and community activities to intimidate the U.S. government with a show of economic and political force by "undocumented workers" and their advocates.


Latin American countries also will tell their citizens not to buy American goods, he says. It's to demonstrate international support for illegals demanding American citizenship.

"We are going to show power with incredible marches to be in concert with the struggles with immigrants in America," Navarro said when we spoke on Thursday. "We want to create multiple pressure points for Congress and the president. No other group in history did this much. Not even Martin Luther King Jr. Not even he can claim that."

True, but the Rev. King appealed to the best in Americans. He did not try to intimidate. No one waved Mexican flags during the 1963 march on Washington.

Navarro also seems to be somewhat of a security expert. "The borders cannot be secured as long as the United States needs cheap labor," he said. "It is not going to cease as long as Mexico and other Latin American countries struggle. As long as there are inequalities the influx of people will continue."

Remember that the next time President Bush or any other politician in the Beltway says that amnesty for illegals in America will solve the illegal immigration problem. It might alleviate the problem, for a while, but not eradicate it, Navarro said. "It's like the Dutch boy and the dike, only he could not plug all the pressure points."

The Mexican minimum wage -- $4 or 42 pesos a day -- is another pressure point, Navarro says.

"Ask them why they are crossing and they will say there is no work where they live; that they cannot survive on the minimum wage," he says. "The idea of coming to this country and making $10 to $20 an hour is unbelievable for them."

And it will be unbelievable if America is not frightened by this international naked challenge to its sovereignty. The only thing more galling than 11 million foreigners who are violating the law and yet want, no, make that demand , American citizenship is that other nations also will be demanding it.

If that does not motivate every American to reclaim this country then all is lost. And get used to virtual mob rule when policy in Washington is based on how many protesters march for the cause du jour.

Let's hope the boycott is an international success -- but only if it awakens this sleeping giant so it can reclaim its identity before every American is forced to learn Spanish and the lyrics to the Internationale, the anthem of workers around the world. Especially the Third World.

 

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I propose some serious dialogue on the decay of the state which lays before us. This destructions core rests amidst the arguments made by the illegal immigrants. By ignoring the hypocrisy that a non-citizen is demanding their "rights" while in the process of commiting a crime and demonstrating disregard for the law we are sanctioning disrespect for jurisprudence as the contract which defines our sovereign existence. If we allow this to take place, then answer where the demands will end? What prevents any group from making a demand as long as it is done in massive turnout? May the middle class simply now take to the streets and present that they will no longer pay any taxes? Who will punish 100 million people? Right? Isn't this the beginning of mob rule? As for the plight of civilizations, it is simple...When you let a foreign entity determine the direction of your soveriegn persuasion then you no longer control your soveriegnty. If this demanding mass, who by the way are all too cowardly to attend to their own corruptions at home, gain their desires then this will spell the end of the constitution as our governing hope. We will no longer be a society ruled by law but a society ruled by men. Our constitutional heritage demands that we are not subordinate to the convenience of the moment, the unending desire to bury our heads or complain at an arm chairs distance. So what then if our own executives, the ones we have given so much to have decided to endulge their collectivist fetish of internationalist desires? For me I do not chose to "rationalize" away my nation amidst sound bytes and poorly drawn metaphors about speeding. If it is nessecary then I will chose civil war and leave our president to his newly landed charlatan horde...


April 10th 2006, the day Rule of Law became Mob Rule and ushered in a new political process.
"It is okay to break the law if enough people do it"

Article http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49707


Reconquista Forum San Bernadino CA Jan 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZxawMguIU