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Civil War 2: The Coming Break Up Of America

Will there be a 2nd civil war when the english speaking white majority is gone

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Has anyone read this book written by Thomas Chittum, and if so what do you think about it?

According to Thomas Chittum. a Vietnam vet, and fighter of 2 other civil wars in other parts of the world, America is headed toward a 2nd civil war. He shows how empires are dominated by 1 minority group which uses an iron fist to control lower classes of people, the subjects of the empire who do not speak the same language or share the same religions, and are not of the same ethnic backround. hile nations are 1 group of people being a majority with similar beliefs, one language, and similar ethnic backround.

He shows that throughout history almost all empires have violently self destructed when the minority that had control was overthrown. With America's fast changing racial demographics he predicts by 2050 when the white population of America falls below 50%, there will be a civil war as America will at that point cease being a nation and instead turn into a multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi language fractured empire of ethnic groups fighting for political, economic, and military power.
 
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RealmOfThePureForms said:
Has anyone read this book written by Thomas Chittum, and if so what do you think about it?

According to Thomas Chittum. a Vietnam vet, and fighter of 2 other civil wars in other parts of the world, America is headed toward a 2nd civil war. He shows how empires are dominated by 1 minority group which uses an iron fist to control lower classes of people, the subjects of the empire who do not speak the same language or share the same religions, and are not of the same ethnic backround. hile nations are 1 group of people being a majority with similar beliefs, one language, and similar ethnic backround.

He shows that throughout history almost all empires have violently self destructed when the minority that had control was overthrown. With America's fast changing racial demographics he predicts by 2050 when the white population of America falls below 50%, there will be a civil war as America will at that point cease being a nation and instead turn into a multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi language fractured empire of ethnic groups fighting for political, economic, and military power.
Hasn't America always been multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, and multi-language? There is a big difference between The United States and other countries that would fit in this category, such as African countries; people come here to be a part of the American culture and African people were born there. There is a big difference when it is not your home country and when it is.
 

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sí seremos asumir el gobierno y allí es nada usted lata hacer acerca de él pero rendición!

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No there will not be another civil war. Sometime in the next 50 years we will need to take care of North Korea which could be a good time to flex our muscles towards China. One of our presidents will do something stupid revolving around Taiwan and get us stuck in a bloody conflict with China and we all know that Britain and all of our other Euro friends will help us fight another world war.
 
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alex said:
Hasn't America always been multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, and multi-language? There is a big difference between The United States and other countries that would fit in this category, such as African countries; people come here to be a part of the American culture and African people were born there. There is a big difference when it is not your home country and when it is.

That is not true. From the times of the revolution up until 100 years ago, America was 95% European english speaking Christian/Catholic. This fits the definition of a nation. In 1960 , the english speaking European majority has been around 89%. Today it is 70% and is expected to drop 1/2 a percentage point every year for the next 50.

This is what chittum explains.

"To understand the future, study the past. Throughout world history, all multiethnic empires
have broken up, and almost always in cataclysmic violence. Therefore, the question is not
if the multiethnic American Empire will shatter, but when and under what circumstances.
The former Soviet Union and the former Yugoslavia are classic examples of multiethnic
empires that recently shattered in tribal violence. The Russians had historically been the
majority ethnic group in the former Soviet Union. However, the percentage of Moslems
had been steadily increasing while the percentage of ethnic Russians had been steadily
falling and had sunk to about 50% in the mid 1980s. The old Soviet Union did not long
survive the decline of its dominant ethnic group, and neither will America. Actually, the
Russian Empire is still with us, just renamed and shrunk down to a more nation-like, and
therefore more stable, demographic base. (Russia is now about 80% ethnic Russians.)"


Don't you notice how speaking english is not enough anymore? If you live in southern new england where I do, or in Americas southwest, you would know that you will be discriminated against for getting a job if you don't speak spanish. That many signs are in spanish and many people only speak spanish.

This is the problem that empires not nations face. Empires have to dominate by force because there is no ethnic, cultural, and language similiarities. Nations do not because they are mostly made up of the same group of people. Every year millions of people are coming into this country that do not speak english and have no intention of ever learning. They are forming their own culture and own nation within this nation. Eventually it will only be a matter of time before they no longer view our laws as legal.

Just look at what is happening in California with illegal immigration right now.

Have you heard of "reconquista". It's the not so radical movement by Mexicans to retake the American southwest. Mexico's president supports it as well. They will flood the southwest with non assimilated non english speaking immigrants until it is no longer American except by name.

Just look at any search engine.

http://www.barnesreview.org/The__Reconquista_-Mexico_s_Dre/the__reconquista_-mexico_s_dre.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25920

http://www.mnforsustain.org/aztlan_reconquesta_historical_context.htm


This is exactly what happened in every nation state that ever turned into an empire. Whether it took in immigrants who did no assimilate and eventually demanded to break away, or it conquered whole peoples who eventually rebelled against the minority empire rulers, all those nation states that took the route we are taking eventually collapsed into violent civil wars.

"History is littered with wars which everybody knew would never happen."—Enoch
Powell, Member of the British Parliament
 
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Just look at these startling statistics about Europe that show how dangerous the direction we are going in really is.

"Europe's growing third world populations will probably supplant unassimilated European minorities as the most serious terrorist threat in the next century.
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The lesson is clear: The more monoethnic a European nation is, the more likely it is to be peaceful and stable. The more multiethnic a European nation is, the more likely it is to experience tribal civil wars.

There is simply no real arguing with this brutal fact. The lesson
here is that the likelihood of a minority group having a go at a military divorce from the nation increases with its chances of success, and its chances of success increase with itspercentage of the population. Consider the most multiethnic nation in Europe - Bosnia.

Bosnia was literally born fighting in 1991, and this civil war has produced more dead than any other of the recent wars in Europe. The most multiethnic European nation produced the most multiethnic dead. Let me say that again:

The most multiethnic European nation
produced the most multiethnic dead. If there had been only Moslems residing in Bosnia,there would have been no civil war in Bosnia.

Is America a multitribal country and therefore unstable? With each and every passing day, more and more Americans of all ethnic groups arc perceiving their tribal affiliation as more
self-definitive and more important than their common American nationality. By this measure we are increasingly unstable.

More bad news: Of the European countries, the median size of the most numerous ethnic group is 89%. In America, the most numerous ethnic group (the English-speaking whites) is only 75% of the total population and falling.

By this measure, America is again not as
internally stable as most European nations. Twelve European nations have primary ethnic groups that are 75% or less of their total population. Seven of these twelve nations are fighting wars, are occupied, or have internal secessionist terrorists.

More bad news: Of the European countries, the median size of the second largest ethnic group is 5%. In America, our second largest ethnic group (the blacks) is 12%. By this measure, America is again not as stable as most European nations. Twelve European nations have secondary ethnic groups that are 12% or more of the total population. Four are fighting wars, two are occupied by foreign troops, one is fighting internal terrorists.

More bad news: Of the European countries, the median size of the third largest ethnic group is 1%. In America, our third largest ethnic group (the Hispanics) is 9%. By this measure, America is again not as stable as most European nations. Two European nations have third ranking ethnic groups that are 9% or more of the population. One is
fighting a civil war, the other occupied.

More bad news: In America, 88% of the people speak the most widely-used language (English) as their primary language. Of the European countries, the median size of this percentage is 94%. By this measure, America is again not as stable as most European nations.

What about the other multiethnic
countries in Europe, why aren't they embroiled in civil war? Let's take a brief took at them. All the European countries that spun off from the old USSR have Russian minorities: Belarus 13%, Ukarine 22%, Lithuania 9%, Latvia 34%, Estonia 28%. They are relatively peaceful, but live on the lip of the Russian Bear. These countries have achieved stability only by acquiescing to a frog/jump relationship with Russia, and civil war may yet erupt in
these unhappy lands.

More bad news: There are now about six million Moslems in America, and they are expected to outnumber Jews by,the end of this decade. America has been described as a Judeo- Christian nation. Are we now to be a Judeo-Christian-Moslem nation and all that it implies? The concept of freedom of religion can absorb only so much cultural diversity. As the Moslem percentage of the population grows, it is predictable that they will demand and eventually get laws allowing polygamy, chopping off the hands of criminals, death by stoning for adulterers, and the host of other antique horrors Moslems embrace.

In Miami, Dade County has a special maintenance squad that cleans up dead chickens, goats, lizards, voodoo powder, and other "hex" items found each morning on the grounds of the county courthouse (The New York Times. August 9,1995). These items are ritually deposited there by adherents of the Voodoo, Sanataria, and similar religions whose members are appearing before the court on various charges. Almost all are immigrants from the Caribbean islands. Eventually, our diversity will increase to the point that there will be no common basis for our laws. That's why America is becoming an undemocratic imperial system, and that's why we'll break up in a civil war."
 

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The majority of posters on this forum will live to see the collapse of the American government.

I do not believe that racial issues will have anything to do with it, especially since many of the "non-White" statistics include people with one White parent, or more than one White grandparent. If anything, racial issues will become less prevalent.

No, it's going to be increased public frustration at government policies-- Right or Left is irrelevant-- and a massive economic crash that are going to do us in. Too many of our debts are going to come due, or one of our important trading partners is going to collapse, and our entire debt-fuelled economic house of cards will come crashing down.

Once that happens, and people start looking at who still has valuable holdings, and there will be blood in the streets.

Honestly, most other issues in American and international politics are wholly irrelevant-- unless someone or another uses them as an excuse for firing the first shot.
 

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No the US will not have a civil war on those basis. The difference between the United States and any other situation mentioned is proportional representation. While it certainly without a doubt lags behind society as a whole the number of minorities in public office is growing, and will continue to grow as the white majority erodes. Minority groups in the US can run for office and become the government instead of violently overturning it with a revolution. President Obama?! Sounds great to me


Do you remember "The Daily Show" after the 04 election when Jon Stewart predicted a split up of America along the red and blue state lines. With the Blue states joining Canada and becoming the United States of Canada, and the Red states gaining independence under the name Jesusland?

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RealmOfThePureForms said:
That is not true. From the times of the revolution up until 100 years ago, America was 95% European english speaking Christian/Catholic. This fits the definition of a nation. In 1960 , the english speaking European majority has been around 89%. Today it is 70% and is expected to drop 1/2 a percentage point every year for the next 50.
The Dutch that came here spoke English (Northeast)? The Spanairds that came here spoke English (South)? The French that came here spoke English (Southeast)? America has always been multi-ethnic and it has yet to start a war.
 

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There's more German blood in American than English, why do we still speak English?

We'll be fine. Those who want to get ahead will learn English, those who speak only Spanish will have to work in unskilled labor, making them very limited in their political power (no free time/resources). But of course I don't dismiss the possibility that Spanish will someday be the language that we all use, it just seems unlikely.

As far as a Civil war... Over language? I don't see this happening, especially with established English speaking groups in power.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
The majority of posters on this forum will live to see the collapse of the American government.

I do not believe that racial issues will have anything to do with it, especially since many of the "non-White" statistics include people with one White parent, or more than one White grandparent. If anything, racial issues will become less prevalent.

No, it's going to be increased public frustration at government policies-- Right or Left is irrelevant-- and a massive economic crash that are going to do us in. Too many of our debts are going to come due, or one of our important trading partners is going to collapse, and our entire debt-fuelled economic house of cards will come crashing down.

Once that happens, and people start looking at who still has valuable holdings, and there will be blood in the streets.

Honestly, most other issues in American and international politics are wholly irrelevant-- unless someone or another uses them as an excuse for firing the first shot.

I agree partially with what you say. I believe that the economy is the PRIME reason why all of the ethnic mixing in the USA has been successful and fairly stable up to this point. People don't come to America to speak english or to learn American history, they come here to make $$$. And as soon as the economy sours, as soon as we see a big depression close to the size of the great depression of the late 20s and early 30s, the fireworks will start.

This country has managed to do something amazing (have 3 different major ethnic groups live peacefully together in one country) but they did it under the best possible circumstances IE this is the RICHEST nation on earth. It's really hard for people to start wars when they are happily consuming material possessions. But what happens when the money runs out? Who will get blamed?

What happens when jobs become scarce and the economy takes a turn for the worst? Thomas Chittum made the best case I have heard against affirmative action when he said that affirmative is what an empire does, it tiers each seperate race and culture and gives a preference to certain groups of people. A nation does not tier anyone, because in a democratic nation state all should have EQUAL opportunity.

So when the economy tanks, and all the illegal immigrants are working the jobs that Americans would now need to work in order to survive, what will happen?

What is going to happen now that the Southwest will be more than 50% hispanic in thenext 20 years? The laws will reflect that. There will be even more job discrimination. You will be forced to be bilingual and since most whites and blacks are not, they will be unable to get jobs in the Southwest and will leave the area. As more and more illegal immigrants come in through the borders, the Southwest will become part of Mexico again.

The irony is this is exactly how America originally got the Southwest from Mexico. After the American war with Mexico, Mexico agreed to let American settlers immigrate to the Texas region. The Mexican government thought these Americans would assimilate into Mexico. Instead just the opposite happened. A bunch of Americans speaking only english, having allegience to the USA, moved into northern Mexico and assimilated it right out of Mexico and into the United States. Now the exact opposite is happening.

In a recent poll more than 50% of all Mexicans in the southwest believed that the southwest USA belongs to mexico and over 90% of mexicans believe the same thing. The mexicans are coming through the border both legal and illegal, not assimilating, not learning english, not learning American history, they are only here for the money, and there allegiences lie with Mexico not the United States.

The irony is amazing. First Spain claims Mexico and brings the spanish there to colonize it. Then the spanish rebell and call themelves mexican, then the mexicans have a war with the USA, then the USA assimilates northern Mexico by moving thousands of Americans into the southwest to culturally take over nothern Mexico, now a couple hundred years later, they are doing exactly the same thing and trying to retake the land.
 
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