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Oh hell no.
Oh hell no.Do you think this was an isolated incident?
Do you think this was an isolated incident?
This one is just idiotic, the moron stood up in the back of the van and fell and broke his own neck and it's the police's responsibility for this mans own stupidity? Give me a break.
Actually, we've been doing that all along. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes they comitted in their duties, including murder and homicide.
The problem that we've seen multiple times now is when activists lie and make up claims about police misconduct. It's hard to prosecute a case that's based on lies, and then the people all get upset and tear up their neighborhoods because they think it's an injustice not to prosecute cops who have been falsely charged.
Lean on the police too hard and they will stop policing these neighborhoods. Crime started falling in New York City when David Dinkins started supporting the police and hiring more of them. This process accelerated under Giuiliani and continued with Bloomberg. It will be interesting to see what will happen now that a cop hating mayor has taken over.
Oh, here we go: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ear-to-year-comparison-nypd-article-1.2134509
Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
“Cops used to laugh about it. That was big in the 1980s and 1990s,” Alpert said. “It was obviously against policy and illegal. I remember in some trainings that police chiefs would say, ‘You’d better bring the damn dog you were trying to avoid if you come in with a prisoner with such an injury.’” Alpert added, “Now a lot of these vans and cars have videos in them. So it doesn’t happen very often.”
Read more at: How Common Are Police 'Rough Rides'? | National Review Online
It’s horrific that this is how cops ever treated people as a matter of common practice or tradition — but it’s also apparently less common, if Alpert’s right, than it used to be, in part because of cameras in vehicles. The Baltimore Police apparently don’t have cameras in their cars, or at least didn’t have one in the vehicle that held Gray. That’s a measure that seems like it would be quite easy to implement and would help stamp out however much of a culture there is of dealing “rough rides.” (Body cameras for cops are often considered such an obvious idea, too, but that idea has stalled in Baltimore over privacy and budget concerns. It’s cheaper and more discreet at least recording what happens in cop cars.)
Read more at: How Common Are Police 'Rough Rides'? | National Review Online
Yeah, the rule was the prisoner has to be buckled in. Baltimore had a similar case with a guy who did the same thing in a police van. He sued and won a bunch of money from the city. The cops knew better, and because they were (allegedly) negligent the prisoner died. Ipso facto, negligent homicide, although I'm not sure where the prosecutor is getting 2nd degree murder. To charge murder the prosecutor is saying that the police intended to kill Gray. I don't think they'll be able to prove that. The police were indifferent, maybe, but intending to kill? Don't think so.
$1.5 million payout for woman beaten by California cop - CNN.com
So while I admit that this one case is anecdotal, I suspect if I look hard enough I can find plenty of examples..
The CHP officer that beat the 51 year old grandmother on the freeway MMA style was forced to resign.....Forced to resign? Is that justice? Many cops simply take up residence in a new town and start all over.
Shouldn't the officer in this case have been convicted of a crime? (if he was I am genuinely unaware of it) Should he not only been suspended from his job but prevented from becoming a public official anywhere in the US?
Here is another officer paralyzing a man who was wrongly identified as a suspect. The officer was allowed to continue patrolling the streets even though his record showed that he was 6 times more likely to be involved in violent altercations when making arrests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDerqyvUZeQ
Is this every officer? Of course not, but there is way to much of this behavior that is tolerated and there are way to many officers involved in these incidents that get away with crimes simply because they were committed wearing a badge.
From your link....
I'm sorry am I the only one that thinks this should NEVER happen? Police intentionally hurting their prisoners as a form of punishment? Does anyone think that abusing prisoners is funny? Do we want police that take joy in retaliation of those that have been captured to be on our police forces?
The article seems to suggest that cops know there being watched now and that is, I assume, the reason it happens less. So the malice of the police remains, it's just that they have fewer places to abuse their prisoners with impunity?
I don't know I'm asking, but that's what the article seems to suggest.
It's interesting to note that the van Mr. Gray was killed in didn't have a camera so how can we really say it happens less often? Did the drive know that (or course he did) and does that explain the officers conduct? I dunno, just asking.
Wha???
Do we work for them? Or do they work for us?
This attitude is exactly the problem!
If our current civil servants will not do their job, do what Reagan did when PATCO pulled the same stunt - fire them & hire someone willing to do the job!
Around here officers are making six figures after 4-5 years on the job, with benefits that our phenomenal compared to the average working Joe, and pensions that most of us can only dream about.
I'm sure that over time NYC could find some good new recruits that want to do their job and do it well, IF the power from the top is willing to lean on them & make it clear the same-old same-old is over. Just like PATCO!
The culture you describe has to be broken. (and hopefully we're seeing the beginning)
Manslaughter seems an appropriate charge. Its interesting that the prosecutors also cited that Gray was arrested illegally since there was no basis for why he was being detained (the knife he was carrying was legal). One cop is going to be charged with 2nd degree depraved heart murder though, but what does that even mean?
Anyone who is currently or wants to go into law enforcement, are idiots. The job is dangerous enough without the DOJ and whiny liberals cities and states wanting to imprison you for trying to do a very difficult job.
One of the Prosecutors biggest Political donors is the attorney for Freddie Gray and she's also married to a City Council member.
She should recuse herself and a independent prosecutor should be brought in.
When the officers are exonerated, Baltimore will be reduced to ashes.
And good luck finding qualified applicants for that police department moving forward.
The most likely explanation is that what can be proved in civil court may be hard to prove in a criminal trial.
There are just short of a million federal, state, and local sworn officers in the US. Of those ~388 a year (2012) shoot a suspect, and most of the time this is justified. Over a 20 year career the chances that an officer will shoot a suspect are about 0.8%. The chances that a given young man will be shot by any cop over 20 years are about 0.00133%. From this I conclude that the panic over police shootings is not justified.
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