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Chronic pain given as top reason for using medical marijuana

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https://www.apnews.com/09974cfc03fe44a48251e6b32ed6499a

Chronic pain is the most common reason people give when they enroll in state-approved medical marijuana programs.

That’s followed by stiffness from multiple sclerosis and chemotherapy-related nausea, according to an analysis of 15 states published Monday in the journal Health Affairs.
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Here are the excuses you can use when you go for your MJ dispensary card. MJ is a not addictive compared to opioids & you can't die from it unless you're stoned & driving the wrong way on the Interstate at night.
 
Chronic Effects

Over the long term, things get a little worse. It’s important to point out that in epidemiological studies, it can be very difficult to tease out whether cause and effect is actually at play, or whether there's something else going on. But the authors have gone to great lengths to separate causation from correlation, combing the data for studies that point strongly to cause and effect. Here’s what they found:

Marijuana can be addictive. But only for some people. About 10% of all users seem to develop dependence syndrome, and for those who start in adolescence, the number is more like 1 in 6. Withdrawal syndrome is also a real phenomenon, with depression, anxiety, insomnia, and appetite disturbance being the main symptoms, which can often be severe enough to have an effect on daily life.

Marijuana use is linked to adverse cognitive effects. In particular, the drug is linked to reduced learning, memory, and attention. It hasn’t been entirely clear whether these effects persist after a person stops using the drug, but there’s some evidence that it does. One study found a reduction in IQ of 8 points in long-time users, the greatest decline being in people who'd started using as teenagers and continued daily into adulthood. For people who began in adulthood and eventually stopped using, a reduction in IQ was not seen a year later.

Marijuana may change brain structure and function. There’s been an ongoing debate about whether marijuana actually changes the brain, but recent evidence has suggested that it is linked to changes in the hippocampus, amygdala, and prefrontal cortex. It’s unclear, however, how long these effects last, whether they're linked to behavioral changes, and whether they reverse after a person stops using the drug.

Regular use is linked to an increased risk of psychotic symptoms. That marijuana is linked to increased psychotic symptoms (e.g., delusions, hallucinations, disordered thinking) is fairly clear. But again, it’s been a chicken-and-egg problem, since it’s hard to show whether causation is at play, and which way the connection goes. However, it’s likely that the relationship actually goes both ways: Marijuana may lead to psychotic symptoms, and early psychotic symptoms may increase the likelihood that a person will smoke marijuana (particularly if there’s a family history of psychotic disorders).

Marijuana is linked to lower educational attainment. When pot smoking begins in adolescence, people tend to go less far in school – but again, a causal relationship hasn’t been demonstrated.

Marijuana may (or may not be) be a gateway drug. Regular teenage marijuana users are more likely to use other drugs in the future – but again, researchers don't know whether the link is causal.

Marijuana is probably – but modestly – linked to schizophrenia. The study found that marijuana is connected to a doubled risk of a schizophrenia diagnosis in the future. Many previous studies have suggested this connection, but, as always, showing causality is hard. The new study cites a number of well-executed studies that suggest a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia. The authors estimate that marijuana use may double the risk of schizophrenia from 7 in 1000 non-users to 14 in 1000 marijuana users. On the upside, they point out that users who quit using the drug after a first psychotic episode have fewer psychotic symptoms and better social functioning moving forward, compared to people who have a psychotic episode but continue using.

Marijuana may be linked to testicular cancer. Its connection to other forms of cancer is not very consistent, but there's some evidence of an increased risk of testicular cancer in long-term marijuana users.
Regular users may have cardiopulmonary issues. Regular marijuana users have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis. Marijuana “probably” increases the risk of heart attack in middle age, but it’s hard to know for sure, since many users also smoke cigarettes.
 
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So the chronic effects of marijuana are becoming clearer, though some areas need more work. As the authors point out, none of this is to argue for or against the legalization of marijuana, which is gaining so much speed (and, of course, criticism) across the country. The authors are careful not to weigh in, except to say that if marijuana is legalized or decriminalized, it should be done with a number of safeties in place. As study author Wayne Hall, Director and Inaugural Chair at the Centre for Youth Substance Abuse Research at The University of Queensland, tells me, “Given that Colorado and Washington State have decided to legalize, the governments in these states should aim to regulate sales in ways that minimize the harms arising from use. This should certainly include informing users about the risks of use and doing what is possible to discourage uptake by adolescents.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2014/10/07/what-20-years-of-research-has-taught-us-about-the-chronic-effects-of-marijuana/#6ce523a317be
 
I only read a bit of the above poster; (truth in advertising) anything that provide relief/pleasure can be addicting. Moderation and ‘common sense’ are needed in larger quantities.

...and I post from personal experience.
 
Video games, sex, chocolate, etc., can all result in a "dependence syndrome." It's called psychological addiction and has nothing to do with the substance itself except the indirect effect that a person happens to like it a little too much. But really, it's about the person.

I've smoked for a long time, a bit in the evenings, and there is absolutely no noticeable difference when I go on a vacation somewhere where pot isn't legal and thus available. Sure, I might leave a restaurant to walk along a river with the wife and think "gee, it'd probably be nice to have a joint right here". But whatever. The idea of there being some kind of withdrawal is silly.

(And I know what a real withdrawal, aka nicotine, feels like).



At any rate, to the extent there is any indication of potential harm (without even causation), it is in heavy long-term smokers. And "heavy" really does mean heavy.

Balance that with the psychological/physical effect of long term pain without pain treatment, and then separately balance it with long-term opioid use. There's no argument that medical pot is the way to go. And as long as alcohol is legal, there is no sane and honest argument for keeping pot illegal recreationally. Ah well, at least the drug warriors will die off in not too long...
 
Chronic Effects

Over the long term, things get a little worse. It’s important to point out that in epidemiological studies, it can be very difficult to tease out whether cause and effect is actually at play, or whether there's something else going on. But the authors have gone to great lengths to separate causation from correlation, combing the data for studies that point strongly to cause and effect. Here’s what they found:

Marijuana can be addictive. But only for some people. About 10% of all users seem to develop dependence syndrome, and for those who start in adolescence, the number is more like 1 in 6. Withdrawal syndrome is also a real phenomenon, with depression, anxiety, insomnia, and appetite disturbance being the main symptoms, which can often be severe enough to have an effect on daily life.

Marijuana use is linked to adverse cognitive effects. In particular, the drug is linked to reduced learning, memory, and attention. It hasn’t been entirely clear whether these effects persist after a person stops using the drug, but there’s some evidence that it does. One study found a reduction in IQ of 8 points in long-time users, the greatest decline being in people who'd started using as teenagers and continued daily into adulthood. For people who began in adulthood and eventually stopped using, a reduction in IQ was not seen a year later.

Marijuana may change brain structure and function. There’s been an ongoing debate about whether marijuana actually changes the brain, but recent evidence has suggested that it is linked to changes in the hippocampus, amygdala, and prefrontal cortex. It’s unclear, however, how long these effects last, whether they're linked to behavioral changes, and whether they reverse after a person stops using the drug.

Regular use is linked to an increased risk of psychotic symptoms. That marijuana is linked to increased psychotic symptoms (e.g., delusions, hallucinations, disordered thinking) is fairly clear. But again, it’s been a chicken-and-egg problem, since it’s hard to show whether causation is at play, and which way the connection goes. However, it’s likely that the relationship actually goes both ways: Marijuana may lead to psychotic symptoms, and early psychotic symptoms may increase the likelihood that a person will smoke marijuana (particularly if there’s a family history of psychotic disorders).

Marijuana is linked to lower educational attainment. When pot smoking begins in adolescence, people tend to go less far in school – but again, a causal relationship hasn’t been demonstrated.

Marijuana may (or may not be) be a gateway drug. Regular teenage marijuana users are more likely to use other drugs in the future – but again, researchers don't know whether the link is causal.

Marijuana is probably – but modestly – linked to schizophrenia. The study found that marijuana is connected to a doubled risk of a schizophrenia diagnosis in the future. Many previous studies have suggested this connection, but, as always, showing causality is hard. The new study cites a number of well-executed studies that suggest a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia. The authors estimate that marijuana use may double the risk of schizophrenia from 7 in 1000 non-users to 14 in 1000 marijuana users. On the upside, they point out that users who quit using the drug after a first psychotic episode have fewer psychotic symptoms and better social functioning moving forward, compared to people who have a psychotic episode but continue using.

Marijuana may be linked to testicular cancer. Its connection to other forms of cancer is not very consistent, but there's some evidence of an increased risk of testicular cancer in long-term marijuana users.
Regular users may have cardiopulmonary issues. Regular marijuana users have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis. Marijuana “probably” increases the risk of heart attack in middle age, but it’s hard to know for sure, since many users also smoke cigarettes.

Spoken like someone without a clue. There are tens of millions of us. Fully functional adults with fully functional families. We have been smoking on and off since the 60's. From pot that could hardly get you high to pot that was "what the hell was that" high.
I write technical manuals for the Navy and am about to retire. I am so much better at this than most of my younger peers. I could beat them about the head and shoulders with the mistakes they make. But, instead, I try to educate and show them how they went wrong.
Do I think that pot allows me to focus? Maybe. But I haven't been able to smoke for a few years due to new testing requirements.
So, what is wrong with these newbies who can't seem to get it?
Personally, I think they are just too high strung. Mellow out. Look at the task ahead with a clear head. You don't need to be stoned, you just need to focus.
 
I support legalization of marijuana for medical needs, but I oppose it being legalized for recreational.
 
I support legalization of marijuana for medical needs, but I oppose it being legalized for recreational.

Can you explain why you feel it's worth it, when the costs of prohibition are so high?
 
Chronic Effects...cigarettes.

Sure chronic use has downsides.
And it'd be awesome if there were some easy, side-effect free fix for people who'll live the rest of their years in pain.

Some significant number of medical users aren't choosing between a wonderful life and chronic drug use. (The wonderful life choice is not an option on the table.)

Instead, they are non-negotiably stuck with chronic pain and the unexpected psychological, familial, and social side effects of that chronic pain.

The choices they can choose from are just various sorts of suckage.

Un-medicated daily life of increasing isolation and the associated mental & physical health effects of the habits and behavioral routines which result from decades of pain is a choice.

Then there're also the various sorts of medicated lives they can choose from as well — each with their own sets and flavors of suckage.

Of the various sorts of suckage available to many folks living through decades of pain, medical cannabis can be relatively a low suckage option.
 
The OP is about 10 years old, probably more. Everyone already knew pot helps with some types of pain and also helps a person's lose of appetite such as being on chemo.

While some people do use medical marijuana for pain, most get scripts claiming pain but really wanting legal pot to get high. That's the story here in Florida which ONLY legalized medical marijuana on a prescription. Accordingly, there are doctors how who sell those prescriptions - and you can get one by giving a credit card number and talking to one of the doctor's nurses or secretary on the phone the same as you can get prescriptions for Viagra from a doctor you never saw. Same thing.

When in Las Vegas now about 2 years ago or so I visited every pot shop - drove to every one - be curious. Was never in one before, anywhere. Every one - over a dozen - had 2 counters on opposite sides. There was the "Medical" counter for those there for medical purposes and the "Recreational" counter for people who wanted to get stoned for fun.

How many people did I see at the "Medical" counter? None. Not one. Not at any location. Constant stream to the "Recreational" counter - zero to the "Medical." I found that interesting.
 
One of the frustrations over the "Opiod Epidemic" is that legitimate doctors and dentists are terrified about writing a prescription of Hydro or OxyContin. In fact, pain hurts - a lot - and can be completely crippling, cause great suffering and be intensely distracting. Physical pain and "physical torture," it is just a matter of degree for both. The result is that abusers and illegal drug users for recreation get their opiods anyway, while people who legitimately need it can't. Pot has very low pain relieving ability compared to true pain killers.
 
I support legalization of marijuana for medical needs, but I oppose it being legalized for recreational.

Why?

Is it dangerous to society if some people are having too much fun?
 
I have a problem with every disc in my lumbar and cervical spine. I've been in #6-#10 pain for about 10 years now, and it's never going to get better. I smoke weed every single day and it does absolutely NOTHING for the pain. What it helps is the attitude IN MY BRAIN and when dealing with agony every single day of my life. That's no lie. Alcohol also helps you better emotionally handle extreme pain, but that is always my last resort and can lead to stupid and destructive behavior.

I don't know about its pain relieving properties for other afflictions but for my back pain it helps with attitude only. It helps me forget how bad it is.

ALSO -- I'm naturally a bit of a scatterbrain and smoking weed has allowed me to focus extremely well, and write the three best books on the subject of image composition and design on the market. So the argument that it makes you stupid is also void for everyone.

Legalize it and decriminalize it everywhere. I promise those who have troubles with alcohol will try it, and like it. And fewer people will die.
 
Few things are sillier than an allegedly "small government conservative" who is happy with his bourbon opposing legalization of something far safer. Few things are stupider than the "but it's another drug and that's bad" routine, and of course if you really are a "small government" conservative/other, you shouldn't want government dictating what people can ingest especially something as safe as this.

You had your 100+ years of anti-drug enforcement. It didn't work. Time for a new approach across the board. And as for pot, well, its status should reflect the exact (and extremely minimal) harm associated. There's no logical or principled reason to keep anything safer than alcohol illegal. Very few people ingest the amount of pot described by the term "chronic heavy use". And even then, the supposed harms are laughable compared to "chronic heavy use" of alcohol....



The only reason we're still fighting this fight is that one of the very few things the federal government has excelled at is in implanting generations of propaganda in those who are receptive to it, and are usually receptive because if they accept/repeat the propaganda, they get to puff themselves up on how righteous they are for being "against" something allegedly harmful.
 
It's bad enough we have drunks driving. We don't need stoners driving too.

How does making/keeping marijuana illegal prevent that? Were there no drunk drivers during alcohol prohibition?

We've reduced drinking and especially tobacco use in the last couple decades without arresting anyone over it.

We managed that with a combination of age restrictions, "sin" taxes, and awareness campaigns. It's cheaper, and it's been effective.

Why not go with a policy that has worked elsewhere?
 
It's bad enough we have drunks driving. We don't need stoners driving too.

I know you won't believe it, but tests conducted years ago showed that drivers under the influence of pot were more cautious than straight drivers. That is a good thing, but they don't talk about that on mainstream media.
 
Few things are sillier than an allegedly "small government conservative" who is happy with his bourbon opposing legalization of something far safer. Few things are stupider than the "but it's another drug and that's bad" routine, and of course if you really are a "small government" conservative/other, you shouldn't want government dictating what people can ingest especially something as safe as this.

Man, you said it. Drug laws are a gross infringement of personal liberty, not to mention an egregious violation to the concept of limited government. Even the pretentious intellectual conservative William F. Buckley supported the legalization of all drugs which is the correct and consistent position for anyone who considers themselves right-wing to hold. I remember my dad telling me how smart Buckley was when I was a kid:


 
Chronic Effects

Over the long term, things get a little worse. It’s important to point out that in epidemiological studies, it can be very difficult to tease out whether cause and effect is actually at play, or whether there's something else going on. But the authors have gone to great lengths to separate causation from correlation, combing the data for studies that point strongly to cause and effect. Here’s what they found:

Marijuana can be addictive. But only for some people. About 10% of all users seem to develop dependence syndrome, and for those who start in adolescence, the number is more like 1 in 6. Withdrawal syndrome is also a real phenomenon, with depression, anxiety, insomnia, and appetite disturbance being the main symptoms, which can often be severe enough to have an effect on daily life.

Marijuana use is linked to adverse cognitive effects. In particular, the drug is linked to reduced learning, memory, and attention. It hasn’t been entirely clear whether these effects persist after a person stops using the drug, but there’s some evidence that it does. One study found a reduction in IQ of 8 points in long-time users, the greatest decline being in people who'd started using as teenagers and continued daily into adulthood. For people who began in adulthood and eventually stopped using, a reduction in IQ was not seen a year later.

Marijuana may change brain structure and function. There’s been an ongoing debate about whether marijuana actually changes the brain, but recent evidence has suggested that it is linked to changes in the hippocampus, amygdala, and prefrontal cortex. It’s unclear, however, how long these effects last, whether they're linked to behavioral changes, and whether they reverse after a person stops using the drug.

Regular use is linked to an increased risk of psychotic symptoms. That marijuana is linked to increased psychotic symptoms (e.g., delusions, hallucinations, disordered thinking) is fairly clear. But again, it’s been a chicken-and-egg problem, since it’s hard to show whether causation is at play, and which way the connection goes. However, it’s likely that the relationship actually goes both ways: Marijuana may lead to psychotic symptoms, and early psychotic symptoms may increase the likelihood that a person will smoke marijuana (particularly if there’s a family history of psychotic disorders).

Marijuana is linked to lower educational attainment. When pot smoking begins in adolescence, people tend to go less far in school – but again, a causal relationship hasn’t been demonstrated.

Marijuana may (or may not be) be a gateway drug. Regular teenage marijuana users are more likely to use other drugs in the future – but again, researchers don't know whether the link is causal.

Marijuana is probably – but modestly – linked to schizophrenia. The study found that marijuana is connected to a doubled risk of a schizophrenia diagnosis in the future. Many previous studies have suggested this connection, but, as always, showing causality is hard. The new study cites a number of well-executed studies that suggest a causal relationship between marijuana and schizophrenia. The authors estimate that marijuana use may double the risk of schizophrenia from 7 in 1000 non-users to 14 in 1000 marijuana users. On the upside, they point out that users who quit using the drug after a first psychotic episode have fewer psychotic symptoms and better social functioning moving forward, compared to people who have a psychotic episode but continue using.

Marijuana may be linked to testicular cancer. Its connection to other forms of cancer is not very consistent, but there's some evidence of an increased risk of testicular cancer in long-term marijuana users.
Regular users may have cardiopulmonary issues. Regular marijuana users have a higher risk of developing chronic bronchitis. Marijuana “probably” increases the risk of heart attack in middle age, but it’s hard to know for sure, since many users also smoke cigarettes.

I wonder what a similar round up of studies on the effects of alcohol would show...I bet it would show far worse long term effects.
 
All my doctors won't prescribe me opiates for migraines, even though I've had two of those "ice pick headaches" that literally made me want to bash my head into the wall. A few weeks ago I had a pretty bad migraine, so I vaped some high cbd oil . A few minutes later I realized I no longer felt the pain, just the weird pressure that comes with that "getting kicked in the head" feeling. Also I have read on many trusted resources like WeBeHigh that medical marijuana can help to beat opiate addiction.

I wouldn't be surprised if that were true.
 
If the teabillies in my state ever allow it, my excuse will be OCD and severe anxiety. This is because I have OCD and severe anxiety.
 
If the teabillies in my state ever allow it, my excuse will be OCD and severe anxiety. This is because I have OCD and severe anxiety.

You shouldn't need an excuse in the first place. The very idea of needing government permission to smoke a joint is ridiculous in and of itself.
 
You shouldn't need an excuse in the first place. The very idea of needing government permission to smoke a joint is ridiculous in and of itself.

I agree.
 
How many people did I see at the "Medical" counter? None. Not one. Not at any location. Constant stream to the "Recreational" counter - zero to the "Medical." I found that interesting.

Largely unbeknownst to the patronage, BOTH counters are in fact 'Medical.'
One of the most positive aspects of MJ, is that even recreational users experience the therapeutic effects like improved lung capacity (cannabis actually helps increase rather than reduce capacity), it assists in controlling or losing weight (it also helps your body regulate insulin, which can reduce the instance of diabetes by stabilizing blood sugar and improving circulation), it may fight cancer (evidence has shows cannabinoids can slow or reduce certain cancers), it helps reduce depression (which many have and don't realize it) by stabilizing moods and alleviating anxiety, cannabidiol has been found to strengthen bones, and cannabis also helps slow the development of Alzheimer’s disease and cognitive degeneration due to reducing the inflammation that feeds it, its calming, helps promote sleep, and can even improve motor skills.

The disparity of customers vs. patients at the given L.V. counters is likely related to the number of actual MMJ (Medical MariJuana) cardholders at the dispensary at the time. Nevada has only 21,600 registered patients out of a state population of roughly 3 million; add the flash population of tourists in L.V. and the 'party' atmosphere, and the observation makes sense. MMJ users typically have a very particular strain or strains they use exclusively, and tend to 'stock-up' by buying the max allowed, 2.5oz., so may only need to visit a dispensary every few weeks or months. Most genuine medical users typically have a lower consumption rate than recreational users - the therapeutic effects are often realized at a lower dose, and they don't share. MMJ patients also tend to use the most efficient method of ingestion, as it makes sense to stretch the medication to keep costs down. When relying on MMJ a medicine, the buzz is often a consequence rather than a desired effect. Just because they're using doesn't automatically mean they are irresponsible.
 
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