Christopher Steele: I Was Hired to Help Hillary Clinton Challenge the 2016 Election Results

[bubbabgone]

Can't possibly be true because the Steele dossier was compiled before the results of the 2016 election and before Trump was the GOP candidate.

Before the election results, yes, but while Steele was hired in June and Trump won the primary by July, it was pretty clear he was going to be the nominee.
Otherwise there would have been very little reason for Hillary & the DNC to pay Fusion & Steele to get dirt on Trump.
The dirt served a purpose before and after the election.

 

[cabse5]

Before the election results, yes, but while Steele was hired in June and Trump won the primary by July, it was pretty clear he was going to be the nominee.
Otherwise there would have been very little reason for Hillary & the DNC to pay Fusion & Steele to get dirt on Trump.
The dirt served a purpose before and after the election.

Realize it isn't lost on me the Washington Times stated the Hillary campaign contacted Steele (via a third party).

 

[bubbabgone]

Realize it isn't lost on me the Washington Times stated the Hillary campaign contacted Steele (via a third party).

That's what I said but I didn't mention the WATI. I'm surprised you bothered to. Unless you're suggesting they alone reported it all. Is that it?

 

[Airyaman]

Before the election results, yes, but while Steele was hired in June and Trump won the primary by July, it was pretty clear he was going to be the nominee.
Otherwise there would have been very little reason for Hillary & the DNC to pay Fusion & Steele to get dirt on Trump.
The dirt served a purpose before and after the election.

Set aside that there was very little of the dirt leaked before the election, if there was, so what? After all, many on the right oooed and ahhhed when there was a wikileaks dump. Were you one of them? Did you come on here and try to discuss the latest set of "juicy" emails from John Podesta?

 

[cabse5]

That's what I said but I didn't mention the WATI. I'm surprised you bothered to. Unless you're suggesting they alone reported it all. Is that it?

IMO, it's the false narrative projected by the Wash. Times that the ONLY REASON the Steele dossier was created was to contest the 2016 election.

The Wash. Times is highly politically progressive in its reporting. BTW, which newspaper, which media outlet isn't politically biased these days? NPR is biased, for crying out loud. My daily newspaper comes with a USA TODAY insert which I use to lay down on the floor under my dog's dish for when my dog eats. IMO, USA TODAY certainly isn't fit for reading because of the highly political nature of its stories.

 

[chuckiechan]

Before the election results, yes, but while Steele was hired in June and Trump won the primary by July, it was pretty clear he was going to be the nominee.
Otherwise there would have been very little reason for Hillary & the DNC to pay Fusion & Steele to get dirt on Trump.
The dirt served a purpose before and after the election.

And it is still working.

AFAIK, Mueller may try to milk it to the 2020 election and force Trump out that way.

 

[cabse5]

And it is still working.

AFAIK, Mueller may try to milk it to the 2020 election and force Trump out that way.

I agree. IMO, the main goal of the Mueller investigation is to meddle in American elections.

 

[bubbabgone]

IMO, it's the false narrative projected by the Wash. Times that the ONLY REASON the Steele dossier was created was to contest the 2016 election.

The Wash. Times is highly politically progressive in its reporting. BTW, which newspaper, which media outlet isn't politically biased these days? NPR is biased, for crying out loud. My daily newspaper comes with a USA TODAY insert which I use to lay down on the floor under my dog's dish for when my dog eats. IMO, USA TODAY certainly isn't fit for reading because of the highly political nature of its stories.

Like I said, "The dirt served a purpose before and after the election." Since the election it's pretty obviously been used to contest the election which easily morphed into episodes of personal destruction.

While I agree with what you said about bias in the outlets you mentioned, the WATI isn't progressive.
I've found that those other outlets are useful when they're forced to report on what they'd rather otherwise not make known. When they do that it allows you to quote them here and it eliminates the inevitable complaint about the source. They can come in very handy in that way.
But the WATI is one of the more reliable outlets and they have some decent journalists.

 

[chuckiechan]

Like I said, "The dirt served a purpose before and after the election." Since the election it's pretty obviously been used to contest the election which easily morphed into episodes of personal destruction.

While I agree with what you said about bias in the outlets you mentioned, the WATI isn't progressive.
I've found that those other outlets are useful when they're forced to report on what they'd rather otherwise not make known. When they do that it allows you to quote them here and it eliminates the inevitable complaint about the source. They can come in very handy in that way.
But the WATI is one of the more reliable outlets and they have some decent journalists.

This whole thing is happening at just the right time - the nation has retreated into tribes under Obama, and people lost sight of the country and retreated into their tribe and now millions are fighting each other with the MSM egging them on to gain market share. It's like watching two whores duke it out over an undercover john.

This issue has prevented people from embracing it's government, thereby creating divisions that can be exploited by our enemies.

 

[bubbabgone]

This whole thing is happening at just the right time - the nation has retreated into tribes under Obama, and people lost sight of the country and retreated into their tribe and now millions are fighting each other with the MSM egging them on to gain market share. It's like watching two whores duke it out over an undercover john.

This issue has prevented people from embracing it's government, thereby creating divisions that can be exploited by our enemies.

Speaking for myself, I don't particularly care to embrace my Government given what it tends to do with the gesture when it thinks it has you.
It's been true of any of the compositions of Government we've had but it's far more pronounced and in-your-face when it comes to Liberal/Progressive/Socialist versions.
Power & control seeks more power & control and creating divisions are a necessary strategy.

 

[bubbabgone]

I guess we can hope Santa was good to him.

Done.

 

[OscarLevant]

Wasn't Mueller's written mandate primarily to investigate Russian attempts influence on the election?

That plus any crimes found arising out of that investigation, and the mandate was the result of what Trump did not what Hillary did so it was all about Trump

 

[bubbabgone]

That plus any crimes found arising out of that investigation, and the mandate was the result of what Trump did not what Hillary did so it was all about Trump

But investigating what the Russians did to affect the election would naturally have discovered what Hillary et al did.
And since the FBI knew all about their involvement with Hillary et al before Mueller was appointed there wasn't a helluva lot more to discover before investigating it thoroughly ... they only had to decide to.
In fact, the only firm evidence so far of Russian involvement with a candidate is theirs with Hillary.
Ain't that a pisser.

 

[OscarLevant]

But investigating what the Russians did to affect the election would naturally have discovered what Hillary et al did.
And since the FBI knew all about their involvement with Hillary et al before Mueller was appointed there wasn't a helluva lot more to discover before investigating it thoroughly ... they only had to decide to.
In fact, the only firm evidence so far of Russian involvement with a candidate is theirs with Hillary.
Ain't that a pisser.

It's not illegal to meet with foreigners, only to conspire to illegally throw an election.

I'm not seeing any effort by Hillary to work with directly russians to throw an election ( via cyberespionage, etc ) but we have Trump , on TV, asking Russians to steal Hillary's emails, firing Comey to obstruct justice because of the "russia thing", The Cambrige Analytic fiasco, and on and on, etc. We know for a fact that Trump aids made some 97 or more contacts with Russians, DIRECTLY.


No wonder Mueller is focused on Trump, the smoke is all over there, billowing out of every crevice in the WH. Hillary is just an anecdote.

You can't see it? Amazing.

https://themoscowproject.org/explai...rs-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

 

[Athanasius68]

It's not illegal to meet with foreigners, only to conspire to illegally throw an election.

I'm not seeing any effort by Hillary to work with directly russians to throw an election ( via cyberespionage, etc ) but we have Trump , on TV, asking Russians to steal Hillary's emails, firing Comey to obstruct justice because of the "russia thing", The Cambrige Analytic fiasco, and on and on, etc. We know for a fact that Trump aids made some 97 or more contacts with Russians, DIRECTLY.


No wonder Mueller is focused on Trump, the smoke is all over there, billowing out of every crevice in the WH. Hillary is just an anecdote.

You can't see it? Amazing.

https://themoscowproject.org/explai...rs-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

Well:

1. Trump cracked a joke about Mrs. Clinton's emails. Even if we are to take it seriously, he suggested that Russia should help find the emails that Mrs. Clinton claimed she was no longer in possession of. Cant steal something from somebody that that person says he or she doesnt have.

2. The president has the authority to fire the FBI director for any reason he wishes. And as Mr. Comey has stated under oath, the president himself was not under investigation. Trump was exercising his lawful authority in terminating Comey.

3. Cambridge analytica?? Oh, the copying of an Obama in 2012 strategy.

4. Mueller has charged NO Americans for meeting with Russians. One must conclude his failure to do so suggests it is not against the law for Americans to talk to Russians.

5. The reality remains is that there is more evidence that Mrs. Clinton & Co. "conspired" during the 2016 campaign with Russia than did Trump & Co.

 

[cabse5]

I agree. IMO, the main goal of the Mueller investigation is to meddle in American elections.

EDIT: Mueller's main goal is to meddle in American elections involving Trump. As long as Trump is president, that would be every American election. As the wise sage once said, among others Mueller is meddling in American elections and no one cares.

 

[bubbabgone]

It's not illegal to meet with foreigners, only to conspire to illegally throw an election.

I'm not seeing any effort by Hillary to work with directly russians to throw an election ( via cyberespionage, etc ) but we have Trump , on TV, asking Russians to steal Hillary's emails, firing Comey to obstruct justice because of the "russia thing", The Cambrige Analytic fiasco, and on and on, etc. We know for a fact that Trump aids made some 97 or more contacts with Russians, DIRECTLY.


No wonder Mueller is focused on Trump, the smoke is all over there, billowing out of every crevice in the WH. Hillary is just an anecdote.

You can't see it? Amazing.

https://themoscowproject.org/explai...rs-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

1) Mifsud isn't Russian and Halper isn't Russian and Downer isn't Russian but they're all Hillary supporters who got themselves close to Trump campaign associates during the Obama Administration.
2) Kislyak is the Russian ambasador and has met with many in Congress ... of both Parties.
3) "The Moscow Project"? Really? (I'm chuckling here) What is the organization responsible for "The Moscow project"? And who is associated with the organization responsible for "The Moscow Project"?. Do you know?

I'd like to paraphrase a line from Shakespeare ...
Some are born corrupt, some seek corruption, and some have corruption thrust upon them.
By this affair we've had confirmed that the first 2 are Hill and Bill who were born corrupt and can't stop, and the 3rd is Papadopolous and Page who were set up/framed during the Obama era.

 

[OscarLevant]

1) Mifsud isn't Russian and Halper isn't Russian and Downer isn't Russian but they're all Hillary supporters who got themselves close to Trump campaign associates during the Obama Administration.
2) Kislyak is the Russian ambasador and has met with many in Congress ... of both Parties.
3) "The Moscow Project"? Really? (I'm chuckling here) What is the organization responsible for "The Moscow project"? And who is associated with the organization responsible for "The Moscow Project"?. Do you know?

I'd like to paraphrase a line from Shakespeare ...
Some are born corrupt, some seek corruption, and some have corruption thrust upon them.
By this affair we've had confirmed that the first 2 are Hill and Bill who were born corrupt and can't stop, and the 3rd is Papadopolous and Page who were set up/framed during the Obama era.

Whether or not you believe the Moscow Project is credible, the Russian smoke billowing out of every crevice in the WH is real.

Sure, MP is a liberal group, and you'd poo poo any liberal group. what, you want a right wing group to do this? That's really funny.

Thing is, killing the messenger is not a valid rebuttal method, the data presented, well, see if you can refute it.

And there are a number of other sources validating the russian contact count, though perhaps not 97, it's still a high number


You can poo poo the group, but funny you don't seem to know that Kislyak is a russian spy and you are knocking me for quoting a liberal group not realizing that as a liberal myself, i sure as hell a, not going to quote limbaugh or hannity or some other moron who seems to represent the right as a source..

 

[bubbabgone]

Whether or not you believe the Moscow Project is credible, the Russian smoke billowing out of every crevice in the WH is real.

Sure, MP is a liberal group, and you'd poo poo any liberal group. what, you want a right wing group to do this? That's really funny.

Thing is, killing the messenger is not a valid rebuttal method, the data presented, well, see if you can refute it.

And there are a number of other sources validating the russian contact count, though perhaps not 97, it's still a high number


You can poo poo the group, but funny you don't seem to know that Kislyak is a russian spy and you are knocking me for quoting a liberal group not realizing that as a liberal myself, i sure as hell a, not going to quote limbaugh or hannity or some other moron who seems to represent the right as a source..

You should realize that groups like the Moscow Project and its daddy leave out what you should know.
That's the part I filled in.
I rebutted it with #1 and #2. Your turn.

 

[Airyaman]

Speaking of the dossier...

Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting

A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

Oh ****, if true.

 

[Airyaman]

FYI, the document for this thread was for a case that has now been thrown out.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ins-libel-case-in-us-court-christopher-steele

 

[Thorgasm]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-clinton-challenge-the-2016-election-results/

I don't recall seeing this posted here so I'm not quite sure what to make about this:

From a Washington Times report:


So I can't imagine that Mueller has not talked to these people. It is so intertwined with Muellers central mission to "investigate Russian meddling in the US election", there is no way in hell this can be avoided. This "confession" of Steeles goes to the heart of the FISA warrant and spying on the Trump campaign. FISA is to to be used for domestic spying on the opposition party.

Fake news.