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Christmas edges back to America (1 Viewer)

About time too, for far too long we have had to listen and obey the claptrap decisions of other people, rather than obey what is in our hearts.
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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Christmas edges back to America
Perhaps we may now begin to act sensible again.

Not to burst your bubble, but that article provided almost no evidence that Christmas was making a comeback. The closing paragraph was the only part that referred to it and the only point made was that some stores are wishing a "Merry Christmas". Big woop.

It seems to me that those that truely understand the spirit of Christmas, namely giving to give (and not to receive) and giving thanks for what's important in your life, have no use for Christmas to be displayed publically. I'd be willing to bet that the same people who cry about the war on Christmas where the same ones who counted the presents under the tree when they were kids and secretly still do as adults.
 
It seems to me that those that truely understand the spirit of Christmas, namely giving to give (and not to receive) and giving thanks for what's important in your life.

Who taught you this drek? Giving gifts and feeling all warm and fuzzy about your life on Earth isn't even close to the meaning of Christmas.

I'd be willing to bet that the same people who cry about the war on Christmas where the same ones who counted the presents under the tree when they were kids and secretly still do as adults.

Asserting the unproveable. :thumbdown
 
Christmas is only about one thing.....The celebration of the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.....All the other stuff means nothing.........
 
Christmas is only about one thing.....The celebration of the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.....All the other stuff means nothing.........

1) And don't forget the Crusades, manifest destiny, slavery, the Spanish Inquisition, the extermination of the Arawak indians, and most indigenous cultures in central and south America, and all the other things which people have done in the name of Christ.

2) And don't forget that Christ was not actually born on Christmas Day, but sometime in the fall. The holiday we celebrate as Christmas was chosen in order to merge it with pagan rites which were popular at the time.

3) And don't forget that Christmas today is more a sales tool than it is a true celebration of the birth of Christ.

4) And finally, don't forget, that true believers in Christ would celebrate each and every day of the year celebrating Christ, which means loving their neighbors, which most professed Christians do not do.

Fact is, Christ himself said that, before he returns, there would be a great falling away from the faith, in which the Son of Perdition would be revealed.

The celebration of the birth of Christ, and also his resurrection, should be constant and ongoing, not done just one or two days out of the year so that hypocrites can tell others how religious they are. And, as Christ himself said, there is a place in hell reserved especially for hypocrites.
 
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Since when has Christmas been under threat in the US? I know O'Rielly started a "craze" backed up by Fox News.. but come on...
 
Christmas is only about one thing.....The celebration of the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.....All the other stuff means nothing.........

All the other stuff, including evergreen trees and gift giving, are from the original pagan celebration.
 
1) And don't forget the Crusades, manifest destiny, slavery, the Spanish Inquisition, the extermination of the Arawak indians, and most indigenous cultures in central and south America, and all the other things which people have done in the name of Christ.

2) And don't forget that Christ was not actually born on Christmas Day, but sometime in the fall. The holiday we celebrate as Christmas was chosen in order to merge it with pagan rites which were popular at the time.

3) And don't forget that Christmas today is more a sales tool than it is a true celebration of the birth of Christ.

4) And finally, don't forget, that true believers in Christ would celebrate each and every day of the year celebrating Christ, which means loving their neighbors, which most professed Christians do not do.

Fact is, Christ himself said that, before he returns, there would be a great falling away from the faith, in which the Son of Perdition would be revealed.

The celebration of the birth of Christ, and also his resurrection, should be constant and ongoing, not done just one or two days out of the year so that hypocrites can tell others how religious they are. And, as Christ himself said, there is a place in hell reserved especially for hypocrites.


All those numbered things are only important to the people that bash Christians......
 
Since when has Christmas been under threat in the US? I know O'Rielly started a "craze" backed up by Fox News.. but come on...

With all respect when it comes to going on in the U.S. about Christmas you are clueless.....
 
No ****, and they don't mean squat......

Not in the Christian sense they don't matter. But considering that the majority of Americans seem to celebrate with pagan traditions instead of Christian ones, perchance to the public at large they do matter.
 
About time too, for far too long we have had to listen and obey the claptrap decisions of other people, rather than obey what is in our hearts.

Maybe people could listen to what's in their heads instead of their hearts. :doh
 
2) And don't forget that Christ was not actually born on Christmas Day, but sometime in the fall. The holiday we celebrate as Christmas was chosen in order to merge it with pagan rites which were popular at the time.

but wasnt that date change made to protect Christians from persecution
thats what i heard on Discovery, TLC, National Geographic, History Channel, or whatever I was watching this weekend
according to them, you are only espousing 1/2 the story...:confused:
 
Wait a minute...if all this evergreen tree and gifting crap originated from Pagan rituals, doesn’t that mean, according to our resident expert on all things treasonous, PTS, that the majority of Americans are un-American?
 
1) And don't forget the Crusades, manifest destiny, slavery, the Spanish Inquisition, the extermination of the Arawak indians, and most indigenous cultures in central and south America, and all the other things which people have done in the name of Christ.

That wasn't done by Christ, so it's just a people thing, and the times were harsh.

2) And don't forget that Christ was not actually born on Christmas Day, but sometime in the fall. The holiday we celebrate as Christmas was chosen in order to merge it with pagan rites which were popular at the time.

I thought it was July, but it really doesn't matter when it was.

3) And don't forget that Christmas today is more a sales tool than it is a true celebration of the birth of Christ.

This is true, but Christ is still in there, and it's a fun time. It's a hassle, but it's still fun.

4) And finally, don't forget, that true believers in Christ would celebrate each and every day of the year celebrating Christ, which means loving their neighbors, which most professed Christians do not do.

I think people do what people do.

The celebration of the birth of Christ, and also his resurrection, should be constant and ongoing, not done just one or two days out of the year so that hypocrites can tell others how religious they are. And, as Christ himself said, there is a place in hell reserved especially for hypocrites.

It's still nice to have a special day. People need to celebrate, it's good for them.
 
That wasn't done by Christ, so it's just a people thing, and the times were harsh.



I thought it was July, but it really doesn't matter when it was.



This is true, but Christ is still in there, and it's a fun time. It's a hassle, but it's still fun.



I think people do what people do.



It's still nice to have a special day. People need to celebrate, it's good for them.

I would like to respond to what is bolded....

Of course, Christ did not do any of those things. People, daring to call themselves Christians, did them. People, daring to call themselves Christians, are still doing those same things today. When Christ does return, many who call themselves Christian will receive everlasting shame.
 
I would like to respond to what is bolded....

Of course, Christ did not do any of those things. People, daring to call themselves Christians, did them. People, daring to call themselves Christians, are still doing those same things today. When Christ does return, many who call themselves Christian will receive everlasting shame.

But what did the Muslims, Buddhists, and other religious and non-religious people's do? They were all quite violent from the history that I've read. The religions weren't necessarily violent.

I don't know too many Christians that are doing anything of the sort you are speaking of today.
 
The funny thing about O'Reilly's "War on Christmas" is that he ranted and raved about people opting to use the more generic "Happy Holidays" to be more inclusive of people who might not celebrate Christmas....and yet....at the same time....on his own website he was selling "Holiday" ornaments rather than "Christmas" ornaments. O'Reilly is nothing but a hotheaded hypocrite windbag.

I say Merry Christmas....Happy Holidays.....have a good new year......have a great holiday season.....whatever......Its not a bad thing to say Merry Christmas.....but its equally not a bad thing to say "Happy Holidays"....

Now.....can we start the war on "Groundhog day", BIll?
 
Maybe people could listen to what's in their heads instead of their hearts. :doh

I think you're on to something here, that could be applicable to many issues, not just this trivial, petty, tempest-in-a-teapot semantic debate over what to call Christmas.

There's nothing wrong with "listening to your heart" (ie, being guided by emotion and/or intuition).
However, while it is one's right to allow emotion and sentiment to guide or inform one's major and minor life decisions, it is not okay to attempt to push your views or beliefs on others, unless they can be backed up with some sort of rational, logical or empirical evidence.

If you want me to change my opinions, come at me with factual data that suggests I should, and I'll be more than happy to take it under consideration.

Come at me with a vague, inexplicable "feeling", or an assertion that I ought to change my ways because an invisible, supernatural entity says so, and I'm probably not going to give you much credence.

I think a lot of people are this way; therefore, I think agaglio's suggestion is quite apt.
Think with your heart if you want; but don't expect others to think with your heart, because they have their own hearts, and their own minds also.
 
Who taught you this drek? Giving gifts and feeling all warm and fuzzy about your life on Earth isn't even close to the meaning of Christmas.

Says who? You? Considering you are posting this rather bah humbug-ish post on Christmas, I will decline to accept your meaning of Christmas. This is my favorite explanation:

That hidden meaning is that Christmas is the festival of the human heart. It is a time of year when all the universe conspires to raise the vibratory level of consciousness on earth to one of peace and love toward ourselves and one another. This season resonates to the sweet, childlike innocence that resides in all of us. A time when the heavenly forces inspire us to shift our focus away from fear and toward one of joy, and healing.

Lightworks - The Meaning of Christmas

Now see that's just pretty. And much closer to my beliefs then your narrow, exclusive views on Chistmas.

Asserting the unproveable. :thumbdown

Aww...did someone not get what they wanted from Santa? Poor baby. Maybe if you were a nicer boy next year...
 
Richard Dawkins, the Oxford professor who aggressively opposes all belief in God as dangerous....
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"Presumably your reason for asking me is that 'The God Delusion' is an atheistic book, and you still think of Christmas as a religious festival," Mr. Dawkins wrote, in a reply printed here in its entirety. "But of course it has long since ceased to be a religious festival. I participate for family reasons, with a reluctance that owes more to aesthetics than atheistics. I detest Jingle Bells, White Christmas, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, and the obscene spending bonanza that nowadays seems to occupy not just December, but November and much of October, too."

He added: "So divorced has Christmas become from religion that I find no necessity to bother with euphemisms such as happy holiday season. In the same way as many of my friends call themselves Jewish atheists, I acknowledge that I come from Christian cultural roots. I am a post-Christian atheist. So, understanding full well that the phrase retains zero religious significance, I unhesitatingly wish everyone a Merry Christmas."


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That pretty much sums it up.
 
All the other stuff, including evergreen trees and gift giving, are from the original pagan celebration.

Very true....but these things are not Christmas....they are Yule.


Seriously folks....please do not confuse Christmas and the Solstice/Yule holidays. We do not want your Christmas,its totally seperate from the pagan traditions and to be honest....is starting to poison the meaning of what we celebrate.

Just Celebrate your Christ, and leave us out of it....OK?
 
Christmas is only about one thing.....The celebration of the birth of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.....All the other stuff means nothing.........

That may be YOUR reason, but that doesn't make you the authority on Christmas now does it?
 
Go to the Religion and Philosophy section and see that Xmas is pure pagan--Christ wasn't born in the Winter, nothing in the bible about celebrating b-days; any Church saying they just follow the Bible plain and simple is a load of dead flies--if they promote the Xmas thing.
 
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