Chinese launch first locally designed and built aircraft carrier.

[Tangmo]

one of these Chinese carriers doesn't have to be the near equal of a U.S carrier and its battlegroup.

One of these carriers and its support ships deployed to the South China Sea would radically change U.S. strategic thinking and area U.S. naval requirements.

And just consider what a big deal it would be if one deployed the Arabian Sea region?

Chinese have no Naval history save for one exploration hundreds of years ago that the idiot emperor destroyed on its return because it brought back all kinds of things, animals and people who were not Chinese.

Xi Jinping's generals and admirals hate him because he demands the Chinese fight like the Americans. Year in and year out exercise after exercise on land, sea, air, the Chinese cannot integrate their forces, to include especially their Navy and Air Force.

The Chinese can't fight like Americans as Xi demands because it's not the Chinese way of thousands of years of Chinese ways. In other words, if it's not Chinese the Chinese can't do it. It's all the Chinese know after closing themselves to the world for thousands of years. Indeed, the only "Navy" the Chinese have ever had is a riverboat Navy. A seagoing Navy is bizarre and alien to the Chinese who worship the soil (Pearl Buck The Good Earth).

 

[Tangmo]

By continuing to grow their economy at it's present rate. I will not answer another question of yours until you answer this one question.

Since Xi Jinping came to power in 2012-13 his economy has gone from GDP growth in the area of 9% to its present 2% to 4%.

Xi is a Maoist who is determined to Out-Mao Mao. It's all ideology to Xi who announced a couple of years ago all private corporations in China will come under Party control. Which is in process.

CCP-PRC is losing fleeing capital at a Trillion dollars a year, especially since Xi crushed and smashed democracy in Hong Kong and wants Taiwan next. Xi is a warmonger. Investors have no future with Xi in power and he's expected to get another 5 years from the fall Party Congress -- meaning emperor for life.

It's being said now the only concern more than for a rising China is a falling China. Which is what we have. So where the hell have you been the past decade.

 

[Tangmo]

China launches high-tech aircraft carrier in naval milestone

This gives China three aircraft carriers and the first that is probably roughly equivalent to U.S. supercarriers.

While this might seem to pale next to the 11 U.S. carriers, the U.S. Navy has to cover ocean in not only the Western Pacific but the Atlantic & Indian Oceans and the Mediterranean Sea..

The CCP Boyz in Beijing were going to build 7 aircraft carriers, yet now they've settled on four.

The most aircraft carriers China will have is four.

It's too integrated and complicated for 'em. Chinese have never had to deal one on one with a United States before. The Boyz in Beijing have finally realized they're in over their heads. Same as when the British wrecked 'em starting in the mid 19th century.

 

[Tangmo]

Has anyone given any thought as to where the chinese might park these boats?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04...n-security-pact-says-chinese-foreig/101000530

The list is impressive.

The US has long connected for defense many of the Pacific islands it liberated during WW 2.

Indeed, those islanders and their leaders know the history of it.....

US Defense Assets in the Western Pacific​

Some of the US’ most high-profile and valuable military and security assets in the Western Pacific are hosted by Pacific Island Countries (PICs). This blog post will provide an overview of key US security assets in Oceania, their functions, and strategic value. (As climate change becomes an increasingly influential factor in military and security initiatives, these assets will be exposed to greater environmental and political risks.) In particular, the Marshall Islands, Palau, and Guam PICs host many strategic US assets. Above all, US Integrated Air and Missile Defense systems (IAMD) designed to protect the US from missile attacks and the freedom to test new technology, heavily depend on basing in Oceania and the Western Pacific. IAMD not only contributes to the strategic stability and the deterrence relationship between the US and China, but also defends against North Korean capabilities and offers security assurances to other Pacific partners such as South Korea and Japan

Below is an overview of key US national and international security assets in the Marshall Islands, Palau, and Guam.

US Defense Assets in the Western Pacific

sites.utexas.edu

Check it out. It will depress you but only if you have any sense. And don't forget climate change affects CCP Boys in Beijing too.

 

[The Work Outing]

Chinese have no Naval history save for one exploration hundreds of years ago that the idiot emperor destroyed on its return because it brought back all kinds of things, animals and people who were not Chinese.

Xi Jinping's generals and admirals hate him because he demands the Chinese fight like the Americans. Year in and year out exercise after exercise on land, sea, air, the Chinese cannot integrate their forces, to include especially their Navy and Air Force.

The Chinese can't fight like Americans as Xi demands because it's not the Chinese way of thousands of years of Chinese ways. In other words, if it's not Chinese the Chinese can't do it. It's all the Chinese know after closing themselves to the world for thousands of years. Indeed, the only "Navy" the Chinese have ever had is a riverboat Navy. A seagoing Navy is bizarre and alien to the Chinese who worship the soil (Pearl Buck The Good Earth).

What a ridiculously, racist statement.
And it is the same thing that the world thought about the Japanese before Tsushima.

You are actually saying in 2022 - that it does not matter how big the Chinese Navy gets?
They will not be able to utilize a blue water force because of their history.

That is possibly THE stupidest post I have seen in this thread.
Nope.
That is DEFINITELY the stupidest post I have seen in this thread.

'Ohhh...don't worry boys? Sure the Chinese are building, huge numbers of blue navy ships.
But no one in the entire country of over a billion people can figure out how to use them properly'.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.

You are clearly not worth one second of my time in this discussion.
Bye now.

 

[The Work Outing]

Since Xi Jinping came to power in 2012-13 his economy has gone from GDP growth in the area of 9% to its present 2% to 4%.

China GDP Annual Growth Rate

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in China expanded 5.20 percent in the fourth quarter of 2023 over the same quarter of the previous year. This page provides - China GDP Annual Growth Rate - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

They haven't been below 4% in at least 25 years.

What do you do?
Throw a dart at a board?
And whatever number it hits - that is the statistic you use?

Your posts in this thread seem astronomically bad.

Bye now.

 

[Dayton3]

And 1-3 submersible drones later and it's the beginning of a new coral reef.

And your talking about mystical weapons never used in combat before. While modern carriers have hundreds of hours in actual combat.

 

[PoS]

Actually there is a way subs displace the water they are in and they make a slight lump for loss of a better word in the ocean surface, dont ask me the exact physics but is possible to track a submarine via satellite we have been doing it for some time. We have been able to do this with high resolution radar satellites and imaging satellites. I just know that we figured how to do it some time ago by tracking our own assets. There are limitations obviously but it is very possible.

I guess its possible, but Ive done some research on this, and based on what Ive read, it would take a lot of fuel for a satellite at LEO to detect such a thing in time since they cannot hover, which means that by the time it gets passed over to a potential counter strike op, then the sub would have been long gone, so this type of detection strategy is not very viable and might not even work for surface ships, since they'll be out of the area too.

 

[PirateMk1]

I guess its possible, but Ive done some research on this, and based on what Ive read, it would take a lot of fuel for a satellite at LEO to detect such a thing in time since they cannot hover, which means that by the time it gets passed over to a potential counter strike op, then the sub would have been long gone, so this type of detection strategy is not very viable and might not even work for surface ships, since they'll be out of the area too.

Thats were where the big boy UAV's come in such the navys MQ-4c Triton. They got the legs to track a sub straight out of its base and follow it by tag team it with a relay of a couple drones. The Tritons legs are about 30hrs depending how its flown.

 

[Tangmo]

China GDP Annual Growth Rate

The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in China expanded 5.20 percent in the fourth quarter of 2023 over the same quarter of the previous year. This page provides - China GDP Annual Growth Rate - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

tradingeconomics.com

They haven't been below 4% in at least 25 years.

What do you do?
Throw a dart at a board?
And whatever number it hits - that is the statistic you use?

Your posts in this thread seem astronomically bad.

Bye now.

Nay while your posts are astronomically hysterical.

And presumptively certain given you accept the word of Your Heroes the CCP Boyz in Beijing at face value.

Neither do I regret bursting your China bubble for you.

Nomura Cuts China’s 2022 Growth Forecast to 3.9%​

Apr 20, 2022

Nomura Cuts China’s 2022 Growth Forecast to 3.9% on Covid - BNN Bloomberg

Nomura Holdings Inc. downgraded its full-year GDP growth forecast for China to 3.9% from 4.3%, citing a worsening economic outlook and disruptions due to the country’s Covid Zero strategy.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

Investment banks slash expectations for China’s economic outlook​

April 26, 2022
The new median forecast among nine financial firms tracked by CNBC predicted 4.5% China GDP growth for the full year. That’s well below the official government target for a 5.5% increase. Nomura forecast 3.9%, down from 4.3% previously.
Among nine financial firms, UBS cut its China GDP growth target the most, to 4.2% based on “intensified downward pressure on the economy.”
If the lockdown in Shanghai lasts for two months and other large cities are affected, she expects China’s GDP would only grow by 3.8% this year.
Last week, the International Monetary Fund also lowered its China GDP forecast for the second time this year. The new estimate is for 4.4% growth.

Investment banks slash expectations for China’s economic outlook — one sees GDP growth of less than 4% - Market Trading Essentials

Prolonged lockdowns in Shanghai have snarled supply chains and prompted banks to cut China GDP forec

www.markettradingessentials.com

And as I'd said when Xi Jin Pingpong came to power in 2013 GDP was around the 9% growth range. Look at it now as China continues its unavoidable slide toward zero growth while Xi superimposes his hardline Maoist ideology everywhere.

 

[Tangmo]

What a ridiculously, racist statement. And it is the same thing that the world thought about the Japanese before Tsushima.

You are actually saying in 2022 - that it does not matter how big the Chinese Navy gets? They will not be able to utilize a blue water force because of their history.

That is possibly THE stupidest post I have seen in this thread. Nope. That is DEFINITELY the stupidest post I have seen in this thread.

You'll have to quote me on that which you cannot do. I said the Chinese over their thousands of years have no history of any Blue Ocean maritime Navy. I said the only category of Navy China has ever had is a Riverboat Navy as a glorified Coast Guard to include being an internal river valley policing force.

Meanwhile....


‘A nation at risk’: Has Chinese leader Xi Jinping bitten off more than he can chew?


China’s Chairman, Xi Jinping, stands on a precipice. An international backlash is growing against his assertive ambitions. His tightly controlled public are facing new economic uncertainty. It begs the question: Has China’s leader overreached? Chairman Xi warned a short-notice session of the Communist Party that globally, “sources of turmoil and points of risk are multiplying.” “(At home) the party is at risk from indolence, incompetence and of becoming divorced from the public,” he said. Then there was “grey rhinos” and “black swans” — Chinese stock market jargon for bear-like economic conditions.

Xi was right. Social unrest is being played out on the streets of Hong Kong. Economic growth has slowed. Debt is exploding. The trade war with the US keeps escalating. International outcry continues to swell around the South and East China Seas, and the plight of the Uighurs. Then there’s global push-back against state-influenced loans and companies such as Huawei. It’s a scenario leading many international analysts to wonder if Chairman Xi has overextended himself. Has he led China off a diplomatic and social precipice before being fully prepared? “[Many] would also think that he’s mishandled relations with the US by showing China’s hand too early and bringing on a conflict,” said Lowy Institute Senior Fellow, Richard McGregor. “This might have been inevitable — but Xi’s certainly brought it on by the way he’s behaved.”

Xi Jinping: Chinese leader facing leadership crisis


Japan btw has the best Navy in all of Asia. This is true beyond the PLA Navy having more ships. In other words I am inviting your typically wild reaction plse thx.

 

[soylentgreen]

The list is impressive.

The US has long connected for defense many of the Pacific islands it liberated during WW 2.

Indeed, those islanders and their leaders know the history of it.....

US Defense Assets in the Western Pacific​

Some of the US’ most high-profile and valuable military and security assets in the Western Pacific are hosted by Pacific Island Countries (PICs). This blog post will provide an overview of key US security assets in Oceania, their functions, and strategic value. (As climate change becomes an increasingly influential factor in military and security initiatives, these assets will be exposed to greater environmental and political risks.) In particular, the Marshall Islands, Palau, and Guam PICs host many strategic US assets. Above all, US Integrated Air and Missile Defense systems (IAMD) designed to protect the US from missile attacks and the freedom to test new technology, heavily depend on basing in Oceania and the Western Pacific. IAMD not only contributes to the strategic stability and the deterrence relationship between the US and China, but also defends against North Korean capabilities and offers security assurances to other Pacific partners such as South Korea and Japan

Below is an overview of key US national and international security assets in the Marshall Islands, Palau, and Guam.

US Defense Assets in the Western Pacific

sites.utexas.edu

Check it out. It will depress you but only if you have any sense. And don't forget climate change affects CCP Boys in Beijing too.

And this is what is so scary for the pacifica.

It is bad enough we have disingenuous chinese buying their way into the pacific. We also have to put up with idiot america wanting to turn the pacific into a parking lot for their battle ships.

None of that is actually helpful to the people of the pacific. It is just two super powers being dicks in other peoples territory.

Pointing out that all america will do is ignore the plight of the pacific thanks to climate change and will actually make matters worse by adding even more pollution to the pacific.

Really, big thanks for your offer to sit on a war boat and do **** all . But would probably be better all around if america would just piss off if that is all you have.

 

[Tangmo]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-launches-high-tech-aircraft-carrier-in-naval-milestone

http://

/ar-AAYzpKL?li=BBnb7Kz

This gives China three aircraft carriers and the first that is probably roughly equivalent to U.S. supercarriers.

While this might seem to pale next to the 11 U.S. carriers, the U.S. Navy has to cover ocean in not only the Western Pacific but the Atlantic & Indian Oceans and the Mediterranean Sea..

The three CCP aircraft carriers now in existence need refueling weekly, based on normal carrier operations. Beijing is building carriers to intimidate its neighbors, the ten ASEAN nations that border the South China Sea and those who border those nations. And as been pointed out the island nations of the South Pacific Beijing is trying to buy control over.

China reduced its initial plan to build 7 carriers down to four. So there's only one more of the same same to go.

A carrier strike group is too complicated for 'em and requires a force integration the Chinese are unable to do. All China wants to do with its carriers is intimidate neighbors and bully 'em, same as China has always done. However China's neighbors include a number of democracies that are prospering to include building their own defenses that ally or sign on to a Strategic Partnership with the US.

 

[Tangmo]

And this is what is so scary for the pacifica.

It is bad enough we have disingenuous chinese buying their way into the pacific. We also have to put up with idiot america wanting to turn the pacific into a parking lot for their battle ships.
None of that is actually helpful to the people of the pacific. It is just two super powers being dicks in other peoples territory.
Pointing out that all america will do is ignore the plight of the pacific thanks to climate change and will actually make matters worse by adding even more pollution to the pacific.
Really, big thanks for your offer to sit on a war boat and do **** all . But would probably be better all around if america would just piss off if that is all you have.

I see by your post that life sucks don't it, especially when one sees each side as equally nasty and wrong not to mention stupid but tells only one side to bugger off.

By you it's the US that needs to quit and go home. Prepare the table for the Chinese when they finally do dominate the world to include USA of course.

Based on your post I'd say you're in for a lot more aggravation then given Xi Jin PingPong is an aggressive belligerent and bellicose warmonger who's hell bent about being the grandiose Chinese Middle Kingdom. Think Taiwan too of course from which CCP cannot back off.

Given Xi's economy has run out of fortune cookies his only claim to being emperor is militarism first there and then here. Chinese love it so much they've made Xi Emperor For Life. He's even got the Chinese believing he's against corruption -- that's how upside down things are in the CCP and its wholly owned subsidiary the PRC.

 

[Tangmo]

You cannot compare U.S. and Chinese carriers using such stats as various things like manufacturing methods and training methods are radically different.

The Chinese as with the Russians we see each day in Ukraine are unable to integrate their air-land forces and unable to integrate their air-sea forces.

The Chinese and the Russians cannot effectively integrate their total force, ie, land, sea, air.

US has been doing it for decades on decades.

NATO which is commanded always by a US general or admiral has the full capability to do it when called upon. NATO supreme operations commander and chief of military doctrine has been a US Army general, a USN admiral, and a USAF general -- a 4-star always. It doesn't matter which service of US commands NATO and sets doctrine, all of 'em know total force integration and they know it on a continental and oceanic scale. Indeed, the Kremlin and ZhongNanHai which is Beijing's high walled Kremlin tear their hair out over this superior and decisive US advantage. So the bigger the PLA Navy, the more ships at the bottom. Think Tsushima 1905.

 

[Hamish Howl]

And your talking about mystical weapons never used in combat before. While modern carriers have hundreds of hours in actual combat.

"Nothing will ever make the battleship obsolete."

 

[The Work Outing]

Nothing is safe not even submarines. They can be found with satellites and have been for some time. We learned that trick by tracking our own. There are telltales any submersed object has. Nothing is every really completely hidden.

No they cannot.

There was some thought about Chinese satellites using lasers to track subs.
But a) it probably is not even true.
And b) even if it was, the lasers cannot penetrate deep war without the laser breaking up.
Basic physics.

There is NO WAY at present to track a deep-diving submarine.
Especially if it is quiet (like and Ohio or a Virginia-class. And ESPECIALLY if it is a quiet, diesel sub).

Sweden's Super Stealth Submarines Are So Lethal They 'Sank' a U.S. Aircraft Carrier

And other nations are building similiar boats.

nationalinterest.org

And where is your link to an unbiased, factual source that proves otherwise?
BTW, you will not be able to provide one as none exists.

 

[The Work Outing]

Actually there is a way subs displace the water they are in and they make a slight lump for loss of a better word in the ocean surface, dont ask me the exact physics but is possible to track a submarine via satellite we have been doing it for some time. We have been able to do this with high resolution radar satellites and imaging satellites. I just know that we figured how to do it some time ago by tracking our own assets. There are limitations obviously but it is very possible.

You are talking about - I assume - a Bernoulli hump.
That there is a minute difference in the height of a wave with a sub underneath it.

But this dissipates rapidly the deeper the sub dives.
And there is no known way to track a submarine - even near the surface - using this method.
Plus it is almost impossible to do so once the sub goes deep.

This is like the 'caterpillar drive'.
Sounds great.
But totally ridiculous in the real world (even though they built one - Yamato 1).
A magnetohydrodynamic drive would put out and ASTOUNDINGLY, HUGE magnetic field and render the submarine using it, easily detectable.

There is NO WAY to track a submarine using it's displacement.
ESPECIALLY once it goes deep.

Please post a link to back up your statement from a unbiased source.
BTW, you will not be able to as none exist.

 

[fortune]

You are talking about - I assume - a Bernoulli hump.

I just had so much fun google-connecting the Bernoulli airfoil effect with some hump I never heard of.
They are very well connected as it turns out. Would have never known... thanks

 

[The Work Outing]

The Chinese as with the Russians we see each day in Ukraine are unable to integrate their air-land forces and unable to integrate their air-sea forces.

The Chinese and the Russians cannot effectively integrate their total force, ie, land, sea, air.

US has been doing it for decades on decades.

NATO which is commanded always by a US general or admiral has the full capability to do it when called upon. NATO supreme operations commander and chief of military doctrine has been a US Army general, a USN admiral, and a USAF general -- a 4-star always. It doesn't matter which service of US commands NATO and sets doctrine, all of 'em know total force integration and they know it on a continental and oceanic scale. Indeed, the Kremlin and ZhongNanHai which is Beijing's high walled Kremlin tear their hair out over this superior and decisive US advantage. So the bigger the PLA Navy, the more ships at the bottom. Think Tsushima 1905.

Your posts on this subject are laughably ridiculous.

 

[soylentgreen]

I see by your post that life sucks don't it, especially when one sees each side as equally nasty and wrong not to mention stupid but tells only one side to bugger off.

By you it's the US that needs to quit and go home. Prepare the table for the Chinese when they finally do dominate the world to include USA of course.

Based on your post I'd say you're in for a lot more aggravation then given Xi Jin PingPong is an aggressive belligerent and bellicose warmonger who's hell bent about being the grandiose Chinese Middle Kingdom. Think Taiwan too of course from which CCP cannot back off.

Given Xi's economy has run out of fortune cookies his only claim to being emperor is militarism first there and then here. Chinese love it so much they've made Xi Emperor For Life. He's even got the Chinese believing he's against corruption -- that's how upside down things are in the CCP and its wholly owned subsidiary the PRC.

Offer me something better than the americans will float around in the pacific in their war boats and do **** all else then. The issue in the pacific which america needs to comprehend is climate change. And on that particular subject your country is a complete fail.

Exactly if america does not get off their useless warmongering arse and actually provide something the pacifca people want and need then of what use are you?

No that is how americans think. The chinese are in the pacific already and not with guns and army but with money and loans that are inteneded to put the pacific in their debt. Surely a bunch of so called capitalists like the americans can understand what that means. You people do not understand the chinese. They will go to war and take taiwan when they are sure that america is weak. Your absence in the pacific is a weakness. But if you think all you need do is float a few boats in the general direction of china then you are also a useless inconvenience to the pacifica people.

And when, and what makes you think they have run out of fortune cookies? Do not try some bullshit that america is some kind of better. When you have nine people deciding what your laws are and an x president who desperately wanted to be like xi.
Americans have a terrible self image of being the good guys. But that particular dream died long ago.

 

[The Work Outing]

Offer me something better than the americans will float around in the pacific in their war boats and do **** all else then. The issue in the pacific which america needs to comprehend is climate change. And on that particular subject your country is a complete fail.

Exactly if america does not get off their useless warmongering arse and actually provide something the pacifca people want and need then of what use are you?

No that is how americans think. The chinese are in the pacific already and not with guns and army but with money and loans that are inteneded to put the pacific in their debt. Surely a bunch of so called capitalists like the americans can understand what that means. You people do not understand the chinese. They will go to war and take taiwan when they are sure that america is weak. Your absence in the pacific is a weakness. But if you think all you need do is float a few boats in the general direction of china then you are also a useless inconvenience to the pacifica people.

And when, and what makes you think they have run out of fortune cookies? Do not try some bullshit that america is some kind of better. When you have nine people deciding what your laws are and an x president who desperately wanted to be like xi.
Americans have a terrible self image of being the good guys. But that particular dream died long ago.

Wow!

Not only do I like your handle.
But this was exceedingly, well written, IMO.

And true.

First - the Chinese are out-enterprising America.
Instead of running around the world and bombing everything.
China is running around the world, making business deals.
Take a guess which one is more profitable and which one makes more enemies?

Second - you are, IMO, EXACTLY right about Taiwan.
China will take it eventually.
But unlike we Americans where it is 'hurry up'.
China is patient.
They will wait until they can take Taiwan without worrying about American intervening.

Three - This idea that America are the good guys died after 9/11.
For on that day - America suddenly got a taste of what humanity is REALLY like.
And all we could do was run around, desperately trying to make everyone else pay for us feeling pain.
Acting like spoiled brats.
9/11 was no big deal.
Sure...it looked terrible on TV.
But compared to what the rest of the world has gone through just over the past 100 years?
9/11 is NOTHING.
A blip.
3,000 people died?
So what?
85,000 children starved to death in Yemen since 2016.

Famine in Yemen (2016–present) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

10's of thousands of civilians died in Iraq and Afghanistan - directly thanks to American meddling.

To most countries?
3,000 killed by a bunch of terrorists who exploited an air safety loophole (to the max)?
That is a 'really, bad day'.

To America?
It is 'the ultimate tragedy'.
'The greatest horror of a generation'.

Puuuulease.
It was awful.
But it hardly gives us the right to throw morality away in revenge.

So, after 9/11?
Any good guy stuff left in America - went right out the window.
We went around invading anyone we wanted.
Bombing anyone else we wanted.
Torturing anyone we wanted.
Doing ANYTHING to ANYONE we wanted.
And killing untold numbers of COMPLETELY, innocent civilians along the way.
All in the name of revenge.

All because we are nothing but a bunch of spoiled brats who got off INCREDIBLY easily in WW1 and 2 because we have huge, chunks of salty water in between us and the 'old world'.
While most everyone else went through HORROR...in one form or another.
And because we 'won' the Cold War' - we are 'Gods of the world'.

Well, it is slowly coming to an end.
The economy is built on pure debt.
We don't make anything worthwhile any more.
Just overpriced SUV's and LOTS of firearms.
We take out low interest loans and buy stuff from other people.
Our economy is a COMPLETE MESS.
And it was, long before Covid...the latter just sped up the inevitable.

America went from a free enterprise-loving, powerful and generally decent (with BIG exceptions like racism) country.
To a fat, whining, house of cards built on easy money, galloping arrogance and mass shootings.
And the masses getting madder and madder at each other as they keep slowly, losing their power.
While not having remotely enough brains and/or common sense to figure out why...even though the reasons are clear as day.

We Americans are staggeringly arrogant.
And ignorant.
We (almost) literally think the Sun shines out of our asses.

And barring something miraculous happening?
Our days as 'the next', world superpower will be ending relatively soon (by historical standards).

 

[The Work Outing]

The three CCP aircraft carriers now in existence need refueling weekly, based on normal carrier operations.

So what?
An American Carrier Strike Group (CSG) needs weekly refueling as well.
A CSG has a nuclear carrier.
But it also has at least one cruiser and two destroyers.
All three of which need regular refueling.
Plus, the carrier needs refueling for her aircraft.

That the Chinese carriers are not nuclear (though the next one - 004 - will be, apparently) means almost nothing.

Beijing is building carriers to intimidate its neighbors, the ten ASEAN nations that border the South China Sea and those who border those nations. And as been pointed out the island nations of the South Pacific Beijing is trying to buy control over.

China reduced its initial plan to build 7 carriers down to four. So there's only one more of the same same to go.

Link?
I have never in my life seen ANY documentation from any decent source that said that China's Aircraft Carrier Program EVER officially called for 7 aircraft carriers.
I bet you cannot post a link to a reliable source to backup your statement.
Which proves it meant nothing.

A carrier strike group is too complicated for 'em and requires a force integration the Chinese are unable to do. All China wants to do with its carriers is intimidate neighbors and bully 'em, same as China has always done. However China's neighbors include a number of democracies that are prospering to include building their own defenses that ally or sign on to a Strategic Partnership with the US.

And here is this racist, nonsense again.

I am not Chinese.
But if China can build a huge, manned, space station in orbit - which they are doing right now.

Tiangong space station - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I GUARANTEE you they are intelligent enough to properly use aircraft carriers.


The stupidity of your posts on this are truly hilarious.

 

[The Work Outing]

Nay while your posts are astronomically hysterical.

And presumptively certain given you accept the word of Your Heroes the CCP Boyz in Beijing at face value.

Neither do I regret bursting your China bubble for you.

Nomura Cuts China’s 2022 Growth Forecast to 3.9%​

Apr 20, 2022

Nomura Cuts China’s 2022 Growth Forecast to 3.9% on Covid - BNN Bloomberg

Nomura Holdings Inc. downgraded its full-year GDP growth forecast for China to 3.9% from 4.3%, citing a worsening economic outlook and disruptions due to the country’s Covid Zero strategy.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

Investment banks slash expectations for China’s economic outlook​

April 26, 2022
The new median forecast among nine financial firms tracked by CNBC predicted 4.5% China GDP growth for the full year. That’s well below the official government target for a 5.5% increase. Nomura forecast 3.9%, down from 4.3% previously.
Among nine financial firms, UBS cut its China GDP growth target the most, to 4.2% based on “intensified downward pressure on the economy.”
If the lockdown in Shanghai lasts for two months and other large cities are affected, she expects China’s GDP would only grow by 3.8% this year.
Last week, the International Monetary Fund also lowered its China GDP forecast for the second time this year. The new estimate is for 4.4% growth.

Investment banks slash expectations for China’s economic outlook — one sees GDP growth of less than 4% - Market Trading Essentials

Prolonged lockdowns in Shanghai have snarled supply chains and prompted banks to cut China GDP forec

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And as I'd said when Xi Jin Pingpong came to power in 2013 GDP was around the 9% growth range. Look at it now as China continues its unavoidable slide toward zero growth while Xi superimposes his hardline Maoist ideology everywhere.

You typed:
'Since Xi Jinping came to power in 2012-13 his economy has gone from GDP growth in the area of 9% to its present 2% to 4%.'

And all you post are links to holding companies and investment banks FORECASTS?
Which mean NOTHING.



So you have no proof WHATSOEVER of what you said.
So...your point means NOTHING.

I will waste no more time on this with you as clearly you consider 'forecasts' as 'raw data'.
Which is a COMPLETE joke.

Bye now.

 

[Tangmo]

The stupidity of your posts on this are truly hilarious.
Link?
I have never in my life seen ANY documentation from any decent source that said that China's Aircraft Carrier Program EVER officially called for 7 aircraft carriers.
I bet you cannot post a link to a reliable source to backup your statement.
Which proves it meant nothing. And here is this racist, nonsense again.

So what?
An American Carrier Strike Group (CSG) needs weekly refueling as well.
A CSG has a nuclear carrier.
But it also has at least one cruiser and two destroyers.
All three of which need regular refueling.
Plus, the carrier needs refueling for her aircraft.

That the Chinese carriers are not nuclear (though the next one - 004 - will be, apparently) means almost nothing.

Your Beloved Boyz in Beijing still don't know what they're doing.

DictatorTyrants in Beijing are notorious for changing their alleged minds about this weapons platform and that weapons platform that they confuse themselves. And you're very confused anyway which only makes riding herd on all of this worse. Indeed, you state in your post you never heard of any of this which makes it half your confused failing too.

China cuts planned aircraft carriers down to 4​

DECEMBER 12, 2019

China is reportedly ending plans for a six aircraft carrier fleet after the nation failed to overcome technical problems, and instead will continue with plans for four vessels. “There is no plan to build more aircraft carriers,” a military source said, according to the South China Morning Post. The original plans were to have six aircraft carriers, with two of them being nuclear powered. The four China plans to have will be conventionally powered. “ China doesn’t possess the nuclear technology required, although it has developed many nuclear-powered submarines,” a source told the SCMP

China cuts planned aircraft carriers down to 4

China is reportedly ending plans for a six aircraft carrier fleet after the nation failed to overcome technical problems, and instead will continue with

americanmilitarynews.com

Moreover the Chinese can't do or support vertical takeoff vehicles. The article below from the Diplomat states that Beijing's Type 075 assault ships that are expected to be in service by 2025 could also deploy specialized aircraft by that time to allow them to function as carriers, thus bringing the size of the PLAN’s carrier fleet up to seven. Terminology in these matters can be ambiguous however which might explain both your confusion and your ignorance.

Will China Have 7 Aircraft Carriers by 2025?​

June 30, 2018

While the four ship strong PLAN carrier fleet planned for 2025 is already a daunting prospect for the United States and its Asian allies, there is a considerable chance that a lower profile defense program currently underway could see this number rise to seven. Alongside the development of three carrier warships, the Type 001, Type 002 and Type 003, Chinese shipbuilders have also begun the construction of three amphibious assault ships — 40,000 ton warships approximately the same size as the French carrier Charles De Gaulle. The warships are highly similar to the U.S. Navy’s America and Wasp class amphibious assault ships, almost identical in size and appearance. The example set by the American warships could well give some indications as to the PLA’s intentions for the Type 075 class’ future. The U.S. Navy currently fields 20 aircraft carriers, 11 of which are 100,000 ton supercarriers and nine of which are amphibious assault ships – which the United States does not consider carriers, but which deploy fixed wing combat aircraft.

Will China Have 7 Aircraft Carriers by 2025?

The PLA Navy’s upcoming Type 075 assault ships may deploy fighter jets to better contend pacific naval superiority.

thediplomat.com

Given the dates of the reports and your ignorance of the matters presented it could look like your weren't born before 2018. Your temperament is a Trump temperament besides.