China Warns of 'worst consequences' for any country that supports Taiwan militarily.

[Sled Dog]

German warships chose to attack American merchant vessels totally unprovoked.....and the US had every right to protect itself. The US was not obligated to sit idly by while a hostile foreign power attacked against it.

That's nice.

Explain where FDR took the necessary step of requesting a declaration of war to confront National Socialist depredations on the high seas directly.

Citing the situation at hand and making the Constituitonally necessary request for a declaration of war was the correctly legal path to follow, not authorizing an entire summer of naval strikes, each an act of war, and Rambo-ing it all over the high seas with no lawful authority. The US Navy was essentially engaged in piracy in the process, just like the Germans.

And even after Pearl Harbor, FDR waited for Hitler to declare war on the US before the US declared war on Germany.

So FDRs response to German naval aggression was completely inappropriate.

 

[CaughtInThe]

There isn’t, but Republicans hope an invasion happens so they can blame Joe Biden.

indeed

pro family my ass.

 

[Tigerace117]

Or....you could try to learn something about the topic and see that the most of the political ideals of Nations SOCIALISM were...socialist. The Internet can help you expand your knowledge.

Or your could try reading the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, that covers the basics.

But if you want remain ignorant, that's understandable. Everyone that votes Democrat seeks that.

Except, of course, for the fact that the Third Reich wasn’t socialist in the slightest, and actively tried to murder every socialist they could.

But I get that the American Right doesn’t have the spine to actually face up to history.

 

[Tigerace117]

That's nice.

Explain where FDR took the necessary step of requesting a declaration of war to confront National Socialist depredations on the high seas directly.

Citing the situation at hand and making the Constituitonally necessary request for a declaration of war was the correctly legal path to follow, not authorizing an entire summer of naval strikes, each an act of war, and Rambo-ing it all over the high seas with no lawful authority. The US Navy was essentially engaged in piracy in the process, just like the Germans.

And even after Pearl Harbor, FDR waited for Hitler to declare war on the US before the US declared war on Germany.

So FDRs response to German naval aggression was completely inappropriate.

No, what was an act of war was the attacks on US merchant ships by German U-Boats. Authorizing US Navy forces to defend Americans from the depredations of a hostile foreign power not only wasn’t “illegal” in the slightest, it was his responsibly as president, no matter how much conservatives whined.

“Piracy” my ass. The US Navy wasn’t hunting down and sinking German merchant vessels; they were defending American sailors from the warships of a hostile foreign power.

 

[Sled Dog]

No, what was an act of war was the attacks on US merchant ships by German U-Boats. Authorizing US Navy forces to defend Americans from the depredations of a hostile foreign power not only wasn’t “illegal” in the slightest, it was his responsibly as president, no matter how much conservatives whined.

“Piracy” my ass. The US Navy wasn’t hunting down and sinking German merchant vessels; they were defending American sailors from the warships of a hostile foreign power.

Since the aggressor was known, a declaration of war should have been requested, and issued, to put an end to the piracy once and for all.

Playing pirate because the other country is playing pirate isn't an effective response to piracy. The situation was not handled correctly. The United States was at one time willing to take on the largest navy and army in the world because that other country was kidnapping US citizens and forcing them into military service under a foreign flag. FDR didn't want to confront Hitler directly when he should have. FDR did lots of things wrong. This was one of them.

Note that I'm not saying the FDR should not have responded as he did. But he failed to respond fully and his request for a declaration of war agaisnt Germany could have ended German atlantic depredations against US shipping or led to talks clarifying what shipping Germany was opposed to (war materials, food, the usual attempt by a combatant to strangle the economy of the other side) while the Congress debate on war proceeded. It was pretty clear that FDR wanted to provoke open war with Germany without looking like the aggressor. He should have just done his job and told the American people the skinny on the pre-war war in the Atlantic.

Like all presidents, he was playing politics. What can you do, it's what polticians are, right?

 

[Sled Dog]

Except, of course, for the fact that the Third Reich wasn’t socialist in the slightest, and actively tried to murder every socialist they could.

But I get that the American Right doesn’t have the spine to actually face up to history.

The National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP or National Socialist German Workers Party...
...was a socialist party in ideology and campaiging.

They were also a violent party (not uncommon for socialist parties, look at the Democratic Party in America) and a racist party (again, not uncommon and again, look to the Democrat Party in America).

Those are the facts of history if you're the least bit interested.

The NSDAP had a street thug arm called the Sturm Abteilung, or SA or "Brownshirts", an assemblage of WWI vets and street thugs who used their violence to intimidate the opposition.

The Democrat Party uses Aunty Fa, a fascist party pretending to oppose fascism, as one of it's street violence arms, and the (b)LM gang to provide alternate street violence. You can't deny the summer of 2020 when both arms were fully deployed to interfere with the presidential election.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I was studying WWII before high school

I already had a PhD in Jr. High, and all of my instructors said I was the most brilliant person they had ever seen. Got my Juris Doctorate in 11th grade, now I have an MD to go with it. C'mon....catch up!

Bernie sells socialism to his fools. Weak people always fall for the allure

Hmmmm. Well ya KNOW Sled, Albert Einstein was a BIG fan of Socialism, and I tend to listen when a genius of that calibre, and a genius of my calibre, agree on something like that. You say Socialism is for "fools"....well Einstein and I are certainly not "fools" Sled. You would do well to learn a little bit about Einstein and I. We know what we're talking about.
Oh....and remember: the Nazis were Socialist Leftists...BWAHAHAHHAA, man you're killing me!
Einstein and I dont care a lot for unfettered capitalism Sled.

 

[Tigerace117]

The National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP or National Socialist German Workers Party...
...was a socialist party in ideology and campaiging.

They were also a violent party (not uncommon for socialist parties, look at the Democratic Party in America) and a racist party (again, not uncommon and again, look to the Democrat Party in America).

Those are the facts of history if you're the least bit interested.

The NSDAP had a street thug arm called the Sturm Abteilung, or SA or "Brownshirts", an assemblage of WWI vets and street thugs who used their violence to intimidate the opposition.

The Democrat Party uses Aunty Fa, a fascist party pretending to oppose fascism, as one of it's street violence arms, and the (b)LM gang to provide alternate street violence. You can't deny the summer of 2020 when both arms were fully deployed to interfere with the presidential election.

Yes, the Brownshirts were collections of former World War One vets.....who actively hunted down and murdered any socialist they could catch. The German military thought the socialists had “betrayed” them. It takes a special level of ignorance to think that the Freikorps were left wing.

They were literally supported by German industrialists and aristocrats, notably the DNVP. Again, it takes a special kind of ignorance to pretend German noblemen would support socialism.

Hysterical fearmongering about Antifa, meanwhile, is as pathetic as ever.

 

[Tigerace117]

Since the aggressor was known, a declaration of war should have been requested, and issued, to put an end to the piracy once and for all.

Playing pirate because the other country is playing pirate isn't an effective response to piracy. The situation was not handled correctly. The United States was at one time willing to take on the largest navy and army in the world because that other country was kidnapping US citizens and forcing them into military service under a foreign flag. FDR didn't want to confront Hitler directly when he should have. FDR did lots of things wrong. This was one of them.

Note that I'm not saying the FDR should not have responded as he did. But he failed to respond fully and his request for a declaration of war agaisnt Germany could have ended German atlantic depredations against US shipping or led to talks clarifying what shipping Germany was opposed to (war materials, food, the usual attempt by a combatant to strangle the economy of the other side) while the Congress debate on war proceeded. It was pretty clear that FDR wanted to provoke open war with Germany without looking like the aggressor. He should have just done his job and told the American people the skinny on the pre-war war in the Atlantic.

Like all presidents, he was playing politics. What can you do, it's what polticians are, right?

Except, of course, that the American right, led by Lindbergh and Ford, were still actively in the pocket of Germany and sought to keep the US from interfering with the “Great Crusade”. American industrialists were making good money working with Germany; they didn’t want to stop the gravy train.

It’s pretty clear that there was absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about US warships defending our civilians from the attacks by German U-Boats.

And as for the War of 1812, that was disastrously handled from the get go.

 

[vegas giants]

The National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP or National Socialist German Workers Party...
...was a socialist party in ideology and campaiging.

They were also a violent party (not uncommon for socialist parties, look at the Democratic Party in America) and a racist party (again, not uncommon and again, look to the Democrat Party in America).

Those are the facts of history if you're the least bit interested.

The NSDAP had a street thug arm called the Sturm Abteilung, or SA or "Brownshirts", an assemblage of WWI vets and street thugs who used their violence to intimidate the opposition.

The Democrat Party uses Aunty Fa, a fascist party pretending to oppose fascism, as one of it's street violence arms, and the (b)LM gang to provide alternate street violence. You can't deny the summer of 2020 when both arms were fully deployed to interfere with the presidential election.

The Republicans use the proud boys

 

[ChickenTendies]

The National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP or National Socialist German Workers Party...
...was a socialist party in ideology and campaiging.

They were also a violent party (not uncommon for socialist parties, look at the Democratic Party in America) and a racist party (again, not uncommon and again, look to the Democrat Party in America).

Those are the facts of history if you're the least bit interested.

The NSDAP had a street thug arm called the Sturm Abteilung, or SA or "Brownshirts", an assemblage of WWI vets and street thugs who used their violence to intimidate the opposition.

The Democrat Party uses Aunty Fa, a fascist party pretending to oppose fascism, as one of it's street violence arms, and the (b)LM gang to provide alternate street violence. You can't deny the summer of 2020 when both arms were fully deployed to interfere with the presidential election.

Ok this is now off the rails. National socialists are not socialists. Hitler rounded up communists and socialists, and nowhere did he ever support class struggle or anything of the sort.

 

[uptower]

then why do they make such warnings? the long game would be aided if they could keep their intentions out of the public view.

To pressure Taiwan into conceding without a fight.Thats part of the long game too.

America talked it up for months before invading Iraq. Putin did for Ukraine too. Keep them fearful. Just like a bully in a bar talks smack to his intended victim.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP or National Socialist German Workers Party...
...was a socialist party in ideology and campaiging.

They were also a violent party (not uncommon for socialist parties, look at the Democratic Party in America) and a racist party (again, not uncommon and again, look to the Democrat Party in America).

Those are the facts of history if you're the least bit interested.

The NSDAP had a street thug arm called the Sturm Abteilung, or SA or "Brownshirts", an assemblage of WWI vets and street thugs who used their violence to intimidate the opposition.

The Democrat Party uses Aunty Fa, a fascist party pretending to oppose fascism, as one of it's street violence arms, and the (b)LM gang to provide alternate street violence. You can't deny the summer of 2020 when both arms were fully deployed to interfere with the presidential election.

Sooooooo....I guess you aren't going to be posting here anymore eh Sled/Jonny?

LOL, that guy sounded a lot like the artist formerly known as Jonny Dollar. buh bye.

 

[uptower]

then why do they make such warnings? the long game would be aided if they could keep their intentions out of the public view.

I don't see how unless you can explain it.

They're dealing with a militarily weaker Taiwan and it has long been their position at the UN that Taiwan is a part of China. As with many military bullies a little saber rattling might help weaken resolve or even bolster their claim to legitimacy by laying their cards on the table. It's not like they're telegraphing military secrets. Ideally they'd like their opponent to capitulate without a fight.

Putin threatening NATO with nukes over Ukraine is the same: one might ask why not keep jix intentions quiet and just nuke them? Because that would be a ****ing mess and he can probably get much of what he wants with just threats.

 

[Hypothetical]

I don't see how unless you can explain it.

They're dealing with a militarily weaker Taiwan and it has long been their position at the UN that Taiwan is a part of China. As with many military bullies a little saber rattling might help weaken resolve or even bolster their claim to legitimacy by laying their cards on the table. It's not like they're telegraphing military secrets. Ideally they'd like their opponent to capitulate without a fight.

Putin threatening NATO with nukes over Ukraine is the same: one might ask why not keep jix intentions quiet and just nuke them? Because that would be a ****ing mess and he can probably get much of what he wants with just threats.

because it brings public support of the west against them and keeps it firmly in place, and as they know, our greatest weakness is a short attention span.

 

[uptower]

because it brings public support of the west against them and keeps it firmly in place, and as they know, our greatest weakness is a short attention span.

Very short indeed

 

[The Mark]

I was also there several decades ago when I was stationed there.
The Taiwanese are a strong independent people.
Who knows they will act if invaded. I wonder how many of them want to be part of the mainland.

Regarding that massive chip company, I would be amazed if they have not already
planted enough explosives in, under, and around that site to make sure no ever used that campus again if it was about to be taken over by the ChiCom army.

In a weird way, that's a form of MAD. Not exactly, since it's really "if you come here hoping to make money off our stuff, you won't."

 

[jaypatriot]

In a weird way, that's a form of MAD. Not exactly, since it's really "if you come here hoping to make money off our stuff, you won't."

TSM might be a national treasure. But if Taiwan was invaded, would it be used as a bargaining chip or would it be destroyed before it became a prize of war.?

Why should the conquering Chinese end up owning a resource it could use as an economic weapon against the world? Like the way Russia uses its oil and gas?



Who is the largest manufacturer of semiconductor chips?

• Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSM) is the largest manufacturer of semiconductor chips. While Intel earns more revenue, TSM makes around 90% of advanced chips produced globally. TSM also controls more than half of the global semiconductor foundry market, by revenue. Why is there a 2021 chip shortage?

 

[Ahlevah]

....you do realize protecting American merchant shipping from German U-Boats was entirely legal, right?

If they proclaim their neutrality while delivering weapons to a belligerent that would not be the case.

 

[uptower]

I think China might be looking at Russia, unable to successfully invade a smaller former satellite just a short drive over the border on well-maintained highways, comparing that to a heavily armed and fortified island nation in all but name with formidable sea and air defenses...and rethinking its plans somewhat.

 

[uptower]

In a weird way, that's a form of MAD. Not exactly, since it's really "if you come here hoping to make money off our stuff, you won't."

It's not Taiwan's industry and knowhow China wants: it has the resources to emulate those. It certainly could do with the expanded ocean territory, forward air bases, shipping lanes and fisheries, but these are a sweetener.

But the main thing is it cannot stand the idea of 25 million Chinese people in a 'renegade province' showing that free speech and democracy work.

That is an affront to three-thousand years of oriental despotism, and China's insistence that such a form of government is the only suitable one for its people and culture.

 

[Plasmaball]

So did the confederacy. Lol

Ooo bad example

 

[Tigerace117]

If they proclaim their neutrality while delivering weapons to a belligerent that would not be the case.

Funnily enough, the U-Boats didn’t bother to check whether American merchant vessels were carrying weapons.....which makes that a distinction without meaning.

 

[Ahlevah]

Funnily enough, the U-Boats didn’t bother to check whether American merchant vessels were carrying weapons.....which makes that a distinction without meaning.

Well, they knew that the tens of billions of dollars in Lend-Lease aid allocated to Britain didn’t consist of Sleepy’s pillows and wasn’t going to just magically fly itself across the North Atlantic.

 

[uptower]

The people of Taiwan disagree.

Those people do not want to live under a tyrannical government. Genuinely authoritarian and cruel. Insisting they must be 'part' of it robs them of the many human rights and freedoms they currently enjoy and have worked hard to secure.