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China to US: 'Be careful' in South China Sea

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[h=1]China to US: 'Be careful' in South China Sea[/h]
Beijing (AFP) - Beijing's defence ministry on Thursday warned the US navy to "be careful" in the South China Sea and slammed a newly signed agreement between Washington and the Philippines.

Could be a brand new cold war, this time with China. They'd better be careful too: We won the last one, the one with the Soviet Union.
 

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[h=1]China to US: 'Be careful' in South China Sea[/h]


Could be a brand new cold war, this time with China. They'd better be careful too: We won the last one, the one with the Soviet Union.

It is the South China Sea, not the South American Sea. We had better be careful poking around in their traditional sphere of influence.

I predict that by the end of this century China will have achieved world hegemony. I think it would be unwise to fight a war in an effort to stop them.
 

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It is the South China Sea, not the South American Sea. We had better be careful poking around in their traditional sphere of influence.

I predict that by the end of this century China will have achieved world hegemony. I think it would be unwise to fight a war in an effort to stop them.

A shooting war with China would be unthinkable, just as one with the old Soviet Union would have been. A propaganda war, a cold war, that could actually happen. Could we win another cold war at this point I wonder?
 

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a war (hot or cold) with China is mutually assured going broke. we're too economically dependent on each other at this point.
 

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A shooting war with China would be unthinkable, just as one with the old Soviet Union would have been. A propaganda war, a cold war, that could actually happen. Could we win another cold war at this point I wonder?

We know there would be a cold war if the president was GOP. How would Hillary react to tensions with China? Different than BO?
 

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We know there would be a cold war if the president was GOP. How would Hillary react to tensions with China? Different than BO?

Hillary's more right-wing than most Democrats. I think it would be the same whether we have a GOP Presidency or an HRC Presidency.
 

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A shooting war with China would be unthinkable, just as one with the old Soviet Union would have been. A propaganda war, a cold war, that could actually happen. Could we win another cold war at this point I wonder?

A factor working against the United States in any kind of competition with China is American polarization. In some respects contemporary polarization seems worse than it did in the United States during the late 1960's and early 1970's. Back then the American economy had been growing dramatically since the inauguration of Franklin Roosevelt in 1933. The growth was broadly based and equally distributed. This took some of the edge off of disagreements over the War in Vietnam, civil rights, and how to respond to the rise in crime since 1960.

Currently median income adjusted for inflation has declined since Bill Clinton left office.

The Income Chart That Explains American Politics - The New Yorker

Economic disputes have become zero sum games between groups of Americans who dislike each other.

Millions of Americans welcome foreign policy reversals because they make President Obama look bad. If a Republican is elected president in November, millions of Democrats will feel the same way.

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Reuters September 19, 2014

For the past few weeks, as Scotland debated the wisdom of independence, Reuters has been asking Americans how they would feel about declaring independence today, not from the United Kingdom, but from the mother country they left England to create. The exact wording of the question was, “Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?”...

Almost a quarter (23.9 percent) of those surveyed said they were strongly or provisionally inclined to leave the United States, and take their states with them.
One in four Americans want their state to secede from the U.S., but why?
 

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We know there would be a cold war if the president was GOP. How would Hillary react to tensions with China? Different than BO?

Hard to say. The cold war with the Soviets galloped right along through Democrat and Republican administrations.
 

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We won the last one. The one now building is of a structure that game theory says is not possible to win in the long run. As Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead.

The last one was won economically. China's economy is far better than that of the old Soviet Union ever was.
 

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The last one was won economically. China's economy is far better than that of the old Soviet Union ever was.

Yes. And it is not a problem of only China. There are a dozen or more large or middle powers rising that will create a volatile situation resembling that of history before 1945, when bipolar and later unipolar security supplanted the normal multipolarity.
 

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A shooting war with China would be unthinkable, just as one with the old Soviet Union would have been. A propaganda war, a cold war, that could actually happen. Could we win another cold war at this point I wonder?

We had better win. Where else are we going to get our dangerous, and cheaply made goods from.
 

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We could smoke China.. Not scared..
 

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We could smoke China.. Not scared..

Maybe. We smoked the Soviets.

But, the Soviets depended on a socialist economic system. China has dumped theirs, despite the fact that they still call themselves "Communists," in favor of a regulated capitalism.
 

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Maybe. We smoked the Soviets.

But, the Soviets depended on a socialist economic system. China has dumped theirs, despite the fact that they still call themselves "Communists," in favor of a regulated capitalism.

China is pretty much fully state controlled economically, on the mainland at least I'm not speaking of Hong Kong, Macau etc.. so its still a state planned economy. can put it in the communist category or the socialist category or whatever.

I see a lot of similarities though... in China trying to exert their influence they are spending a hell of a lot of money. This is how the soviet union fell apart.
However, we have significant economic ties to China. and besides occupying Tibet, wanting and trying to gain control of Taiwan, trying to get 'full' control over Hongkong and Macau... well besides that they aren't like the soviet union members of occupied states.
So little will break up. I think though that we wont have to wait as long for their economy to tank far enough that publish pressure will push a change in their policy no matter how desperately the party tries to hold on.
 

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China is pretty much fully state controlled economically, on the mainland at least I'm not speaking of Hong Kong, Macau etc.. so its still a state planned economy. can put it in the communist category or the socialist category or whatever.

I see a lot of similarities though... in China trying to exert their influence they are spending a hell of a lot of money. This is how the soviet union fell apart.
However, we have significant economic ties to China. and besides occupying Tibet, wanting and trying to gain control of Taiwan, trying to get 'full' control over Hongkong and Macau... well besides that they aren't like the soviet union members of occupied states.
So little will break up. I think though that we wont have to wait as long for their economy to tank far enough that publish pressure will push a change in their policy no matter how desperately the party tries to hold on.

Good point.

And I don't think we were ever dependent on the Soviets for cheap junk. I suppose we could do without China's junk, but then, people do seem to like it.
 

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From what I've learned China wants to control the entire Asian market, including India, and by force and intimidation keep European and US countries out. They want to divide the worlds markets into "Mine and ours".

We must enforce freedom of the seas, regardless of what China thinks, or they will soon be clearing outer space of satellites that fly over their "interests".
 

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From what I've learned China wants to control the entire Asian market, including India, and by force and intimidation keep European and US countries out. They want to divide the worlds markets into "Mine and ours".

We must enforce freedom of the seas, regardless of what China thinks, or they will soon be clearing outer space of satellites that fly over their "interests".

Now let me see which way should we go in Australia, should we stick with the US who's average pay rate is a misally $51,000.00 P/A and going down or go with China, gee this is a hard one?.
 

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A shooting war with China would be unthinkable, just as one with the old Soviet Union would have been. A propaganda war, a cold war, that could actually happen. Could we win another cold war at this point I wonder?

A shooting war at sea is easily winnable for the US.

In the 19th century the British wrold empire had a policy of it's navy being stronger than the next 2 combined. Today the USA has a navy stronger than all the rest combined.
 

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It is the South China Sea, not the South American Sea. We had better be careful poking around in their traditional sphere of influence.

I predict that by the end of this century China will have achieved world hegemony. I think it would be unwise to fight a war in an effort to stop them.

Not a chance... They are technologically behind us by about 20 years in too many areas and while they are advancing, so are Russia, Japan, Europe and ourselves (among others). If China were to attempt such a thing, they would be facing the US, Europe, Japan and Russia and that's a fight (military, technologically, economically) that they can't win. They also know that pissing off their customers too much is bad for business and China is ALL about business. They'll sabre-rattle some, but at the end of the day they are more about filling purchase orders than establishing a new world order.
 

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China may try a quick, hot encounter before the new US president takes office.

My guess is that they may try to attack a surface ship and have a surface engagement frigate to frigate, and run for home claiming it was all a "rogue commander". They will not be interested in going for the kill or sinking a larger warship. They would seek to make a point that a coward understands.

At this time China is exceptionally busy blanking out all external sources of news. Maybe they are preparing the propaganda fields.

The problem they face doing that, is their US market will be instantly closed, and suddenly the well runs dry.

IMO, China is looking for a graceful way to disengage from this South China Sea, "Nine Dash Line" adventure, but the hawks have the guns.

Who knows, maybe that will be our October Surprise.
 

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A shooting war at sea is easily winnable for the US.

In the 19th century the British wrold empire had a policy of it's navy being stronger than the next 2 combined. Today the USA has a navy stronger than all the rest combined.

Right, and of course we'd have to agree that the war could only be fought on the sea.


Right??
 

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Right, and of course we'd have to agree that the war could only be fought on the sea.


Right??

Well, unless the USA invades China or the Chinese go through North Korea to attack the most fortified border in the world or the Chinese have air superiority suficent to air assault Taiwan it has few other venues.
 

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Well, unless the USA invades China or the Chinese go through North Korea to attack the most fortified border in the world or the Chinese have air superiority suficent to air assault Taiwan it has few other venues.

If the USA invades China... well, we did invade Iraq, so I suppose that's a possibility. Sometimes the CIC does very foolish things. What if it happens the other way around?
 
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