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China Property Collapse Has Begun

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Source: Forbes

Here is another article with a few key points about this:



Source: The Wall Street Journal

The much-feared Chinese recession seems to be looming ominously on the horizon. With all of the underlying economic weakness throughout the world, this one looks like it is gonna hurt.
 
China has been cheating the laws of economics for probably 20 years, time to pay up.
 
How/will this affect the U.S. and the rest of the interconnected world?
 
How/will this affect the U.S. and the rest of the interconnected world?

Let's see how bad it is. At this point nobody could really say.
 

True. We have been expecting a consolidation in China for quite some time. There must have been massive miss-allocation during the roaring years. The question will be how much further the rot reaches beyond real estate.
 
The ugly side of state capitalism: when demand does not meet artificial supply.
 

I think that's rather old news:







Proving that "if you built it," they won't necessarily come.
 
Yeah, but continued injections of cash via riskier and riskier debt instruments has kept the high going for some time.

This has been predicted (and derided) here on DP for some time now - but it is an inevitability. You can only maintain a binge for so long before you crash.
 

One major factor is that the government is less committed to economic intervention and more to reforms. There is also the fact that the past few years have seen the kind of widespread speculation and malinvestment that no one believes is sustainable and recognize should be cleansed from the system. I expect the leadership wants it to happen slowly, but articles such as this indicate that it is moving rather rapidly.

How/will this affect the U.S. and the rest of the interconnected world?

The most direct impacts would be on commodity markets and, by extension, major commodity exporters. Included in that would be seemingly strong economies like Australia and Canada who not only supply a lot of resources to China but are also seeing real estate bubbles partly fueled by Chinese buyers. Obviously, China's regional neighbors will feel the pinch as well. Japan will take it hard given that its economic state is not the best and Shinzo Abe's efforts to stimulate the economy seem to have already backfired. One big point of exposure for the West is the UK who have very large banking operations with considerable exposure to the Greater China market, including mainland China. Hong Kong is major financial center in Asia and it would be severely impacted by any significant decline in the mainland as it also experiences a property bubble due to mainland investment.

One thing to look at is the Asian financial crisis, where small Southeast Asian countries suffering a crisis led to the Lost Decade in Japan, the Russian default, and the failure of Long-Term Capital Management. A financial crisis emanating from China would be many times worse, especially in the current economic environment as it is far weaker than the economy of the late 90's.
 

...so long as that "no one" is restrained to "senior CCP leadership", perhaps. the continued demand for WMP's indicates that information has not fully trickled down to the (about to be fleeced) masses. Which is why you are also correct to say that they want to pull this bandaid off slowly - the last thing they need is to lose their claim that they can competently manage China's economy to produce constant, rapid growth.
 

Most leaders around the world try to prevent significant slowdowns or recessions. Obviously, China is concerned about widespread social unrest in the event of a significant downturn, but I also think they are less concerned about that now then they might have been a few decades ago or even a few years ago. There are a growing number of inter-company loans that are going into default. A significant portion of them are to property firms. You also have Chinese companies defaulting on imports and defaults by shipyards. Generally, none of the onshore defaults are presently counted as real defaults since there has not yet been a loss on them, but defaults on imports and all the other pending defaults in the present environment make the potential for a financial spiral likely.
 
China has been cheating the laws of economics for probably 20 years, time to pay up.

You must mean the opinions of economics.
 
China has been cheating the laws of economics for probably 20 years, time to pay up.

And we haven't? Talk about the perfect storm... China and the US Economies imploding under the weight of their own political failures..
 
I think that's rather old news:








Proving that "if you built it," they won't necessarily come.

With cheap exports, who can afford it?
 
And we haven't? Talk about the perfect storm... China and the US Economies imploding under the weight of their own political failures..

We just had a huge correction about 5 years ago.
 
I think that's rather old news --

I posted a similar thread in february - that thread saw claims China has managed huge populations, a huge financial "surplus and hold trillions of dollars of foreign assets and I think they will leverage those assets to maximum financial advantage"

Strangely that became a discussion about US debt - rather than the very serious situation of the financial house of cards that the Chinese economy is basing itself on.


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