Children introduced to the concept of wealth distribution...

[Paschendale]

Sharing is voluntary. It stops being a good thing when it's not voluntary. At that point it becomes a bad thing and is no longer "sharing". At that point, it is "stealing".

And how much of a selfish, cruel, petty, immoral, prick does somehow have to be not to voluntarily share with their fellow people? But by all means, tell a mother whose children would be starving or homeless how terrible it is that you have to pay a few more cents in taxes to keep her children alive. I can't imagine being a callous enough person to deny her those few cents. Can you?

Not that I'm agreeing to your distinction. It's just a whiny excuse to mooch off of the rest of us as we build up society and you want to reap the benefits without paying your share. Turns out all that stuff about parasites on society and the poor mooching off the beleaguered rich was just projection. Methinks they doth protest too much.

 

[Papa bull]

And how much of a selfish, cruel, petty, immoral, prick does somehow have to be not to voluntarily share with their fellow people?

I thought we went over this. Sharing is good. Taking from others is not good. And it's not your place to tell other people how much they must share. When the pinko left stops conflating sharing with taking, the political divide in this country might stop widening.

 

[Paschendale]

I thought we went over this. Sharing is good. Taking from others is not good. And it's not your place to tell other people how much they must share. When the pinko left stops conflating sharing with taking, the political divide in this country might stop widening.

"Boo hoo. I have to pay taxes and some of that money will go to help people who aren't me. Waaaaahhhh!"

 

[Grim17]

I don't know about everyone else, but I learned to share as a kid. Everyone getting some candy and being happy with me is a much better choice than hoarding all the candy for myself and pissing off all my friends. Anyone who must have all the candy for themselves has serious problems and no love for their fellow people.

That's the way it should be... But there is a difference between sharing and wealth redistribution. One is sharing that which is yours of your own free will, and the other is having that which is yours taken from you by force, having no choice on how much is taken and what it is used for.

The kids in the video have it right... It's theirs, and if it's to be redistributed that will be a choice they make, not someone else.

 

[jaeger19]

We'd be living in a feudal society if leftists had their way. The fact is theres no greater vehicle to deliver people from poverty than capitalism.

No offense but you are wrong..a feudal society is created from the policies that you envision. Think about it.. if money is NEVER redistributed.. by any means.. then you end up with a few very rich people that control everything.

Feudalism comes about due to lack of redistribution.

Capitalism is redistribution.

 

[JasperL]

That's the way it should be... But there is a difference between sharing and wealth redistribution. One is sharing that which is yours of your own free will, and the other is having that which is yours taken from you by force, having no choice on how much is taken and what it is used for.

The kids in the video have it right... It's theirs, and if it's to be redistributed that will be a choice they make, not someone else.

If the video was accurate, they'd have one kid with a mountain of candy - one kid would have more than all the other kids there combined - piles of it too big to ever eat, and entire corner of the parking lot full of candy for one person. And then they'd have the video maker ask that kid if he should share some of that mountain of candy with the other 100 kids there, most of them with a piece or two each. If the kid sitting on top of the giant mound says "NO! It's ALL MINE!!" then we'd see the modern day plutocrat's behavior in real life.

Alternatively, we could have a scene where the kid in some big mansion on the hill is whining about his mother 'giving' "HIS" candy to all the mooching trick or treaters who come to their door. "Mom, it's MY CANDY!!! Don't give it to those poor kids!!! I WANT ALL OF IT MOM!!! IT'S MINE!!!"

Etc.

 

[jaeger19]

That's the way it should be... But there is a difference between sharing and wealth redistribution. One is sharing that which is yours of your own free will, and the other is having that which is yours taken from you by force, having no choice on how much is taken and what it is used for.

The kids in the video have it right... It's theirs, and if it's to be redistributed that will be a choice they make, not someone else.

Except you don't know the whole scenario... what I said that the reason that the kids collected the candy was because the other kids made them costumes, then drove them to the houses, helped them over and over multiple times..

Then would the kids have to redistribute the candy? Would it seem selfish to you for the kids to NOT share the candy when they got the candy in part because of the help of the other kids?

 

[Papa bull]

"Boo hoo. I have to pay taxes and some of that money will go to help people who aren't me. Waaaaahhhh!"

"Boo Hoo, people with more money than me aren't getting enough of their assets taken and redistributed."

Get your whine right, lib.

 

[Grim17]

Alternatively, we could have a scene where the kid in some big mansion on the hill is whining about his mother 'giving' "HIS" candy to all the mooching trick or treaters who come to their door. "Mom, it's MY CANDY!!! Don't give it to those poor kids!!! I WANT ALL OF IT MOM!!! IT'S MINE!!!"

Etc.

I'm sure a young kid just might say that... It's the reason that kids are not free to do what they want and are under a parents supervision until they are at least 18. They don't know any better and need to grow and mature, and if the parents do their job correctly when they go out on their own, the choices they make are good ones.

When we go out on our own as adults, we are supposed to be free to make our own decisions according to the founding principals of this nation. The government is not supposed to become the parents to adults, and make their choices for them. They are not suppose to take our things and give them to whomever they choose. That is not freedom by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Henrin]

Who paid for that candy those kids "earned?"

That is like asking who made the money you earned. Why does it matter?

 

[Henrin]

If the video was accurate, they'd have one kid with a mountain of candy - one kid would have more than all the other kids there combined - piles of it too big to ever eat, and entire corner of the parking lot full of candy for one person. And then they'd have the video maker ask that kid if he should share some of that mountain of candy with the other 100 kids there, most of them with a piece or two each. If the kid sitting on top of the giant mound says "NO! It's ALL MINE!!" then we'd see the modern day plutocrat's behavior in real life.

That doesn't really change the example since the candy is still being taken by force and the expected response to such an action is still outrage.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

Capitalism is redistribution.

:lamo

No, what he was doing was completely random, and doesn't show anything. If kids were actually able to see a real and accurate example, do you think they would understand?

How is specifically targeting those with the most candy and giving it to those with less so that both amounts appear even "random"?

 

[roughdraft274]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

Its fascinating how it turns out.

If I'm debating tax structures with a person and there argument begins with "well when you're a kid at Halloween..." You have taken yourself out of the realm of a serious discussion right off the bat. Yes, kids would be upset to give up candy. That has nothing to do with taxes, nothing to do with the well being of a country etc.

Along with this, it's a false analogy. This guy is saying "lets redistribute so you can have the same amount of candy". This is not what any liberals in this country that I have heard are arguing for. No one, at least none that I know of, is arguing that we should make sure everyone gets an exactly equal slice of the pie. What is being argued is that people who make more money pay a slightly higher tax rate because they can afford it and that the country is better off having a social safety net that people can use as a crutch when needed in times of hardship.

When you present the debate as it was in the video, it makes it known that your side is not interested in any kind of an honest debate. You are interested in falsifying the views of the other side and then attacking that strawman, and even then attacking it poorly. Rather than think for yourself, coherently, you'd rather laugh at a stupid, moronic video that misrepresents the entire debate.

Congrats.

 

[Paschendale]

"Boo Hoo, people with more money than me aren't getting enough of their assets taken and redistributed."

Get your whine right, lib.

Aren't conservatives always saying that liberals are the real wealthy elites? That would mean it's mostly our money that's being distributed. We're just unwilling to let you reap the benefits without paying your share, which is still smaller than our share. Stop whining and demanding that we improve society for you. You have to contribute to common good.

Seriously though, wallowing in selfishness is a really strange thing to hold up as a virtue.

 

[Papa bull]

Aren't conservatives always saying that liberals are the real wealthy elites? That would mean it's mostly our money that's being distributed.

You're still trying to toss red herrings out there, aren't you.

The point remains that divesting OTHER people of THEIR money for things YOU want isn't "sharing".

 

[Opteron]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

How is specifically targeting those with the most candy and giving it to those with less so that both amounts appear even "random"?

At no point did he measure the candy, he just took random handfuls from one bag and put it in another just to create drama, so that's how its random.

Anyways taxes don't work that way, they don't take money from someone and give it to your neighbor so that everyone has the same money, what point is he trying to make? The only redistribution of wealth that occurs like he was showing is with social services for the poor and disabled, otherwise people don't 'get' money from their neighbor like that. Lower income earners pay less in taxes and higher income earners pay more, but the taxes go to the common good and are used by everyone, so its not redistribution like this guy is showing.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

At no point did he measure the candy, he just took random handfuls from one bag and put it in another just to create drama, so that's how its random.

Anyways taxes don't work that way, they don't take money from someone and give it to your neighbor so that everyone has the same money, what point is he trying to make? The only redistribution of wealth that occurs like he was showing is with social services for the poor and disabled, otherwise people don't 'get' money from their neighbor like that. Lower income earners pay less in taxes and higher income earners pay more, but the taxes go to the common good and are used by everyone, so its not redistribution like this guy is showing.

We do take taxes paid by one person and give that money to someone else to "make things more even". Through means-tested welfare, you are taking money from someone who earned it and giving that money to someone who DIDN'T earn it. It is not "the common good" to take money from working people to pay other people for not working.

 

[Opteron]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

We do take taxes paid by one person and give that money to someone else to "make things more even". Through means-tested welfare, you are taking money from someone who earned it and giving that money to someone who DIDN'T earn it. It is not "the common good" to take money from working people to pay other people for not working.

Don't like to read? I said that is the only example in which that occurs in the post already

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

At no point did he measure the candy, he just took random handfuls from one bag and put it in another just to create drama, so that's how its random.

Really? If he doesn't measure it down to the exact gram its random? He cant eyeball it? :roll:

Again, you do NOT understand the meaning of the word "Random"

 

[Papa bull]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

Don't like to read? I said that is the only example in which that occurs in the post already

Then you have to accept that taxes DO work that way. Saying they don't except that they do makes no sense at all.

 

[Hicup]

Capitalist here, not a Marxist, but I digress. Redistribution of wealth isn't exclusive to Marxism. Many would argue it's in fact a mechanism essential to the survival of capitalism and avoiding the type of class conflicts that make Marxist viewpoints more appealing to the general populace.

Ah, so true, but then again, the reverse is also true. Funny how that works, eh?


Tim-

 

[JasperL]

That doesn't really change the example since the candy is still being taken by force and the expected response to such an action is still outrage.

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Sure it changes the example. If someone wants to use a silly example to make a point about economics, let's make the example reflect real life. And in real life the kids getting candy 'taken' from them wouldn't be able to carry the truckloads full of 'candy' the evil government is raiding to redistribute to the other kids who can carry their 'candy' in one front pocket.

Real life isn't a bunch of Walmart workers 'redistributing' the candy among themselves - that's just pitting worker against worker. Real life is a handful of 'kids' in the the Walton Family has more 'candy' than the bottom 150 MILLION kids, and now has right wingers everywhere whining and crying about the poor oppressed Waltons.

 

[Deuce]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

False analogy. In your example the children would be doing it voluntarily. In the video, and reality, socialism isn't voluntary. Its about taking from everyone-no matter the effort-to assure an equal outcome for all. I can see the attraction for sub par individuals, but not for anyone else.

Ever been to the DMV?

Entire thread is based on a false analogy. Those children didn't earn that candy.

 

[Papa bull]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

Entire thread is based on a false analogy. Those children didn't earn that candy.

Do you think it is more or less just to redistribute it when it has been earned?

 

[US Conservative]

Re: Children introduced to the concept of wealth redistribution...

Entire thread is based on a false analogy. Those children didn't earn that candy.

Its remarkable to me that you think this thread is about the candy. :lol: