Children as human shields [title changed] (1 Viewer)

[The face of Jacob]

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[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

too bad the left (terrorist sympathizers) chose not to engage in this improtatnt issue that divides cultures into civilized and barbaric cultures

 

[akyron]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

That wont get any media play and condemnation.


Doesnt fit the "hate Israel/ misunderstood jihadist" mentality so many political peacocks are displaying..

 

[cherokee]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

and I wonder why the war was even stopped.
If you can do that to a child then you cant live in peace until your dead.

misunderstood jihadist? Thats a good one...

 

[hipsterdufus]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

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I don't doubt that terrorists would use children as human shields, but for all you know, this man was grabbing his son...

The problem I have is with the inherent double standard. From a tactical point of view, when you are outgunned and outfinanced, you are forced to do whatever is necessary for victory and survival - whether it's using human shields, strapping bombs on to yourself or beheading your enemies.

Those methods seem barbaric to us, yet many "civilized" people in the US can easily rationalize nuking the entire Middle East in one great big wargasm.

See the rub?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

That wont get any media play and condemnation.

Doesnt fit the "hate Israel/ misunderstood jihadist" mentality so many political peacocks are displaying..

What's to stop Faux Newz from running it 24/7? Oh yeah, Jon Bonnet Ramsey...

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Sorry, but that was hardly evidence of kids being used as human shields. While I do believe that the terrorists we are fighting in the ME do use kids in this way, this video is hardly representative of that action. The first one looks like a scene from a grocery store with a parent and a rebellious child. Without the automatic weapons, it could be a scene from any mall in America. The second clip looks more like the kid was getting hauled out of a potential line of fire, not into it. You can almost hear the adult telling the kid to get his @$$ home.

 

[IceteaGreen]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Heuh I don't wont to look biased or overly sceptic, but in the video, we just see an armed guy grabbing a kid and pushing him into another group of people...


So if you put the title 'Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield' on it, sure it could be interpreted like that, but for example, if you put the title 'Palestinian terrorist grabbing his son to protect him from bullets', it can work too....

Anyway, I do not deny that it can be true but....

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Hmmm. Let me see. People who don't care about Palestinian autonomy or Palestinian rights supposedly caring about them when it can be politically advantageous. Why pretend to care at all? Not buying it.

 

[The face of Jacob]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Sorry, but that was hardly evidence of kids being used as human shields. While I do believe that the terrorists we are fighting in the ME do use kids in this way, this video is hardly representative of that action. The first one looks like a scene from a grocery store with a parent and a rebellious child. Without the automatic weapons, it could be a scene from any mall in America. The second clip looks more like the kid was getting hauled out of a potential line of fire, not into it. You can almost hear the adult telling the kid to get his @$$ home.

A Palestinian militant fires toward Israeli troops during an arrest raid in the West Bank village of Qabatiyeh near Jenin, Tuesday, Aug. 8, 2006. Four Palestinians were wounded when the army arrested an Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades militant, Palestinians sources said. The army said two Islamic Jihad militants were arrested during the operation. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

 

[DeeJayH]

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A Palestinian militant fires toward Israeli troops during an arrest raid in the West Bank village of Qabatiyeh near Jenin, Tuesday, Aug. 8, 2006. Four Palestinians were wounded when the army arrested an Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades militant, Palestinians sources said. The army said two Islamic Jihad militants were arrested during the operation. (AP Photo/Mohammed Ballas)

need to post a link to the story

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Bottom line, I don't know of anyone personally that I have spoken too that disagrees with Israel's right to defend itself. The debate is the force that Isreal used to do it.

Does killing innocent civilians make it somehow ok just because you want Hezbollah killed? That is where I think there is debate.

Edit: Just for clarification:

I'm not saying that all the media's reporting on Lebanon is correct.

Just wanting to know, how many innocent civilians should be allowed to die for 1 Hezbollah solider's death before it becomes wrong?

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Bottom line, I don't know of anyone personally that I have spoken too that disagrees with Israel's right to defend itself. The debate is the force that Isreal used to do it.

Does killing innocent civilians make it somehow ok just because you want Hezbollah killed? That is where I think there is debate.

Edit: Just for clarification:

I'm not saying that all the media's reporting on Lebanon is correct.

Just wanting to know, how many innocent civilians should be allowed to die for 1 Hezbollah solider's death before it becomes wrong?

you will never know
because just about every death in Lebanon was reported as Civilian
where as many, if not most were probably Hezbollah hiding amongs civliians, or sympathisers which means their death is warranted along with Hezbollah

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

you will never know
because just about every death in Lebanon was reported as Civilian
where as many, if not most were probably Hezbollah hiding amongs civliians, or sympathisers which means their death is warranted along with Hezbollah

Honestly I'm not going to argue with you there, because I think you have a point. But the question I asked is:

How many civilians should die for 1 hezbollah fighter? 1, 10, 100, 1000, 100000, 1 hundred thousand, 1 million?

What do you think is an acceptable "collateral damage" before it becomes criminal?

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Honestly I'm not going to argue with you there, because I think you have a point. But the question I asked is:

How many civilians should die for 1 hezbollah fighter? 1, 10, 100, 1000, 100000, 1 hundred thousand, 1 million?

What do you think is an acceptable "collateral damage" before it becomes criminal?

anybody who hangs with them, i have no problem with them dying
appeasers, supporters, enablers, whatever....
No country should have to take it up the arse with missle attacks just because the cowards attacking them hide amongst civilians

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

anybody who hangs with them, i have no problem with them dying
appeasers, supporters, enablers, whatever....
No country should have to take it up the arse with missle attacks just because the cowards attacking them hide amongst civilians

Then by your logic it seems you are ok with nuking lebanon. THAt's why I asked how many is enough?

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Then by your logic it seems you are ok with nuking lebanon. THAt's why I asked how many is enough?

nice try, but i never said that retarded statement
Israel used tactical strikes on Hezbollah targets
and unfortunately due to the terrorists tactics some civilains died as a result

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

nice try, but i never said that retarded statement
Israel used tactical strikes on Hezbollah targets
and unfortunately due to the terrorists tactics some civilains died as a result

Then how much is enough, give a number? If not nuking then there is a number. Why is it so hard for you to commit to that?

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Then how much is enough, give a number? If not nuking then there is a number. Why is it so hard for you to commit to that?

as many as are unfortunate enough to hang around Hezbolllah Hot spots
they are Hezbollahs responsibility
not mine, and certainly not Israel's

lay down with dogs and you get fleas
hang with terrorists and you get bombed
too bad

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

as many as are unfortunate enough to hang around Hezbolllah Hot spots
they are Hezbollahs responsibility
not mine, and certainly not Israel's

lay down with dogs and you get fleas
hang with terrorists and you get bombed
too bad

Ok you aren't for a nuke, but then you say as many as unfortunate to hang around Hezbollah hot spots.

So if the country, as many claim, is under the influence of Hezbollah, then why are you against nukes? You are really back peddling on this one IMO.

 

[DeeJayH]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Ok you aren't for a nuke, but then you say as many as unfortunate to hang around Hezbollah hot spots.

So if the country, as many claim, is under the influence of Hezbollah, then why are you against nukes? You are really back peddling on this one IMO.

to a simple mind perhaps
if you have seen any photos/footage of S. Beirut/ S. Lebanon you will see that the Israeli's did not destroy every single building
they targeted specific buildings of importance, and unfortunately collateral damage happened


War 101 - collateral damage happens

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

to a simple mind perhaps
if you have seen any photos/footage of S. Beirut/ S. Lebanon you will see that the Israeli's did not destroy every single building
they targeted specific buildings of importance, and unfortunately collateral damage happened


War 101 - collateral damage happens

Nice but nowhere did I say Israel did. My response was to yours that said that anyone that laid down with Hezbollah should die. Well the whole country, to some, is seen that way. So why not nukes then. Nice dodge.

My point is how many civilian casualties is enough, you said as many as neceesary. So I said why not nukes, and you said you didn't agree with that.

You are contridicting yourself.

 

[Gardener]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

Then by your logic it seems you are ok with nuking lebanon. THAt's why I asked how many is enough?

You ask rhetorical questions that stop well short of examining who is responsible for the deaths while predetermining that people are "innocent".

The real questions you should be asking are "to what degree are the various people involved in a death responsible for that death?

Since you like rhetorical questions, though, how about this one. A group of 4 people plan a bank robbery together. According to their plan, one of them will shoot the bank guard, one will hold the teller hostage with a gun to her or his head, one will drive the getaway car and one will act as lookout at the bank. During he commiting of the actual robbery, the gunman fires and wounds the bank guard who returns fire and kills the gunman. The second robber weilding a gun turns away from the teller to fire at the guard. The guard in returning fire at the second gunman misses the gunman and hits the teller instead. The police arrive by this time and apprehend the various players involved.


In this scenario, are the bank robbers "innocent"? Is the guard "guilty"? Do you have any idea as to the degree of moral reasoning required to sort out who is responsible for what? This last question is meaningful because this is what our legal system does -- it applies moral reasoning in such a way as to determine degrees of culpability in situations such as these. In such a case, the bankrobber shooting the gun is held responsible to a degree greater than those who did not shoot guns, but they are ALSO held responsible since they planned the robbery knowing there would be the potential for killing the guard. Had they not known of the plan to shoot the guard, they would be held less responsible than if they had. All these determinations are made according to moral reasoning.

Now, similar questions can be asked of those who died in Lebanon and similar moral reasoning applies. If you predetermine that they are innocent, however, you have already made up your mind that you have no intention of appying any reasoning to the subject at all. End of investigation. They are innocent. The person behind the bullet is automatically guilty, and were this the scenario with the bank robbery, you would determine that the bank guard is the person responsible for the death of the bank robber and teller.

All I can say is thank goodness our legal system does not operate in the same fashion!

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

You ask rhetorical questions that stop well short of examining who is responsible for the deaths while predetermining that people are "innocent".

I asked how many civilians should be killed for one hezbollah soldier? Is that really hard for you guys to answer? Seems all of you are dodging. So answer, how much is too much?

The real questions you should be asking are "to what degree are the various people involved in a death responsible for that death?

I already stated that. According to some the whole country is, so is nuking an option?

As to your bank robbery scenario is blowing up the entire bank to kill 4 bank robbers justified?

 

[Gardener]

Re: Palestinian terrorists using children as human shield

I already stated that. According to some the whole country is, so is nuking an option?

According to some? How about according to YOU. You haven't stated that.

You are simply setting straw men here without diaplaying any reasoning.