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no one that argues from your position has yet to come up with a reason that why the rest of society should have to support your kid.
Yes, there's a reason.
States have a "Constitutional Duty to Protect Taxpayers". That's why they go after bio-dads for child support. It's not a moral issue with the state, it's an economic issue.
Which pretty much every study backs up.
more so fathers in their lives.
kids are much more successful if there is a father in the picture than not.
3. If a woman claims to have been impregnated by a man and the DNA test confirms it, she should have to have the father's permission in writing before seeking an abortion.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No man should ever be able to force a woman to gestate and deliver against her will.
yep the child dies no harm there at all :roll:.
you probably shouldn't be talking about other people missing things when you constantly swing and miss in these threads that you start at least
once a month.
Exactly right. That is my argument. Equal rights.
Any man has a right to defend his offspring, once his sperm combines with her egg it isn't "her body" any more, it's a new life, and it's just as much his as it is hers.
If she doesn't want to gestate and deliver she should abstain.
Agreed. Anyone that supports the legalization of abortions and doesn't support this is a hypocrite.
This is the most nonsensical post I have read in a while. How is a man leaving a woman making a decision for the woman in regards to getting an abortion? That doesn't even make sense. Men have no say over if a women gets an abortion at all. Sure some might talk about it and take the man's opinion into the final decision, but the woman always has the decision.
Yes, I know, people are too stupid to know when to stop copulating, unless there is a cop beating on the car window or the girl's old man is coming up the stairs.
Of course people know what they should do if they would only do it, but in this libertine society we live in they are taught that it's not their fault because they can't control themselves. Hogwash! They can if properly motivated but our school systems take the cowards way out by handing them rubbers instead of holding them accountable.
And again, possibly a discussion for another time. But your morality on this subject is quite questionable. Trying to continue a rule of abstinence just because it fits an ideology rather than because it actually works is simply just an example of a selfishness that wishes to promote only an ideology rather than any concern for an unwanted baby.I will grant you one thing: I don't know if we will ever be able to put the toothpaste back into the tube because we have years of permissiveness to undo and I don't think we're up to it.
Just pay your Child Support and stop whining about your own lack of responsibility. Good Grief:roll:
Is somebody here not paying their child support.?
Can anyone have consent over what you do with YOUR body? Your medical care? (assuming you are not a minor or incompetent to make such decisions)
Interesting position for a priest to make that people are to stupid to know better. Which only strengthens my opinion that the other "unless" that you did not mention is that unless a priest commands it be so. It suites the church well and gives priests a living to have a congregation that is to stupid to think for themselves. But that's another argument for another day perhaps.
Tell me how do people know what to do? Unless they are given an education in such things. It should be more than obvious that many an unwanted pregnancy occurs because people do not know what they are doing. Especially in cases of teen pregnancy.
And as i said that when an education and means to protection are provided there is in fact not only less teen pregnancy occurring but less sex occurring between teens.
And again, possibly a discussion for another time. But your morality on this subject is quite questionable. Trying to continue a rule of abstinence just because it fits an ideology rather than because it actually works is simply just an example of a selfishness that wishes to promote only an ideology rather than any concern for an unwanted baby.
But your morality on this subject is quite questionable. Trying to continue a rule of abstinence just because it fits an ideology rather than because it actually works is simply just an example of a selfishness that wishes to promote only an ideology rather than any concern for an unwanted baby.
Can anyone have consent over what you do with YOUR body? Your medical care? (assuming you are not a minor or incompetent to make such decisions)
Because it is not leaving her to make the decision. What it is is man making the claim that she only is responsible for the pregnancy and that any decision on her part not to get an abortion is on her and nothing to do with him. In fact the claim being made in the op is that it should not be allowed for her to point out that he to has a responsibility.
Your absolutely right that she is the one making the decision. What you are not taking into consideration is that that decision is effected by a man saying he will take no responsibility and that any asking of support will not be met.
We have met half way here, both of us agree that it is the woman who has the right to decide. Where we differ is on what is the mans position here. Is it one where they can abdicate any responsibility and based on nothing more than the effect on a mans income according to the op. Or is it that the man, having failed to give any concern over preventing a pregnancy in the first place, can now abdicate his responsibility just because he does not like the decision that the woman has the right to make.
I agree, but you cannot force a man to be in the child's life, even if you can force him to pay support.
Straw Man. Abortion is alreadyvan accepted legal choice
Swing and miss again ludin... :lol:
Wow, just wow.
Abstinence works every time it's tried. Don't believe me? Try it and see. I have never understood this idiotic argument that "abstinence doesn't work" when it clearly does. The only reason it doesn't work is when you don't do it, and you are the person I am referring to in my first sentence who thinks people are too dull minded to control themselves. An unwanted pregnancy may occur if you don't know what you are doing when you are six years old, but I refuse to believe that even pre-pubescent teenagers don't know where babies come from.
FYI, I made it through my teen years without an unwanted pregnancy by practicing abstinence, but maybe that's why I'm a priest and you're not.
Yes, of course he should be able to. The woman can do the exact same thing.
True the woman can do the same thing. The point here is that the argument given in the op is an attempt to disregard that.
Do you not remember. You agreed that it is the womans right to make the decision. Now having made that decision the man according to the op has the right to disregard the fact that the decision is hers and pretend that it his right to decide whether that that baby should be aborted if it will cost him by having him own up and take responsibility for his own actions.
You miss the point entirely. Abstinence is ineffective because people do not keep on trying it. What your assuming is that people will always not try it and then on the other hand argue that when it fails it is due to stupidity.
The actual argument you are making is that if people would only remain dull minded and not make decisions for themselves but leave it up to people such priests to command them what to do then abstinence would work. Unfortunately people are not dull minded, they do think for themselves. So your idea of forcing your will upon them is why abstinence does not work.
Do you not understand how a womans body works. Are you under the impression that it is just a simple matter of a man sticking his dick in, wiggle it about and nine months later a baby appears. It is actually more complicated, timing is everything. people can and do have sex without any later issue. There are things such as periods and menstrual cycle and such. The better a woman and man understand these things the less likely a pregnancy. When uneducated about these things then very little care is given about it and pregnancy does happen.
I also got through my teens without causing a pregnancy . But then being aware and educated allowed me to appreciate the gravity of a woman telling me the time is not right or to use a condom.
Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutiinal right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions)
Discuss.
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