"This is no way to measure the effectiveness of an educator,"
When I was very active in the union and the Chair of all the high school representing nearly 2,000 members - we constantly pushed for such action only to be told we must limit ourselves to wages, benefits, hours and working conditions for teachers. Everything else was the province of the administration and we were simply told which field we must pick the cotton in.
:rofl -- Betcher' glad you picked that field! Right now, the union is negotiating for air conditioning in every classroom. I'm quite sure their purvue is fairly broad.
Hmmmm so why doesn't the Board of Education and The CTU come up with an Effective means of teaching kids and Implement More Vocational Education
That "horrible evaluation system" has been around for forty years. CPS and teachers collaborated on a new system...the teachers' union is fighting it's "trial implementation" where this year's results would only impact non-tenured teachers and be advisory to tenured ones.
Saw this on CNN. I love the quote from the teachers unions:
Then fire every ****ing one of them and replace them with people who believe that there are ways to measure the effectiveness of different educators. (i.e people who are not lying and/or stupid).
Long-term, sure. Private markets do this day in day out, and it improves overall market performance.Do you really think that firing and replacing all of the current teachers would lead to improvement in student achievement?
I'm not sure what system that has been around for forty years that you are talking about. Let me tell you about the merit system that is going to be implemented, from what I know. First of all, teachers are going to grade their own tests. That seems extra stupid to me. Second, I gave the pretest for two classes. In my algebra classes, my students were able to do some of the problems, and do decently well it seemed. The geometry test, however, was full of questions you could only answer if you had taken one year of geometry. There was one question maybe my students could answer. Now, I am required to choose one class period and grade their tests. Guess what class I'm going to choose? My geometry class is going to start with a grade of basically zero, and after I teach them for a year many of them will do much better on the post test. I'm going to look look awesome.
So at any school all of the geometry teachers are gonna look great almost no matter what, while the algebra teachers, or the algebra II teachers might look worse. It won't mean the geometry teachers are better, its just that the tests are skewed that way.
This is just one example of how the merit based pay system is messed up. I personally am not against merit pay in and of itself, and neither are my colleagues. However, the devil is in the details. How EXACTLY are teachers going to be judged? At my old school I had many students who would miss one or two classes a week. Am I going to be responsible for my students growth if they don't even make it to class 75% of the time? The number of potential problems is ENORMOUS.
The only thing you're missing here is that the committee that put the evaluation together was representative of both sides of the table. They agreed on an evaluation. And now CTU is sitting tight about agreeing to it...on a trial basis. Now. Tell me what sense that makes?
Rahm Emanuel said there is some system of teacher evaluation in place right now -- totally ineffective -- that's been in place for forty years. If you know something different, post your link.
Pleas post a link on the current (and no longer on the table, btw) merit pay system discussed by the union and CPS. If you have facts, please post them. If you have heresay, you're pickin' up what the union is puttin' down.
PS -- BTW, I completely agree with you about vocational classes. That kind of thing, imo, is what the teacher's union should be clamoring about. Not art. Not music. Vocational Classes!! A program to help these kids, you know, actually earn a living.
The Chicago Public School System is famous as having the shortest school day of any city in the United States. Just 5-1/2 hours. Emanuel was right to go after a longer day, but probably not very well timed.
The average teacher in CPS earns just over $71.000. (I actually don't believe this number; I think it's much higher; but that's the number that's out there.) Starting salary for a CPS teacher is $50,577. In addition to their "Step & Lane Increases" of approximately 3.5% annually, the CPS offer calls for a 3% wage increase in Year One, and a 2% increase in Years Two thru Four of their four-year contract. The new contract will increase teachers' pay by at least 16% over the course of those 4 years. (I think that's not right, but that's the number Emanuel used. I think the number is higher.)
Long-term, sure. Private markets do this day in day out, and it improves overall market performance.
Totally agree, teachers unions have destroyed our school system, they are not about teaching kids they are all in it for themselves. They want the highest pay and benefits they can squeeze out of the legislators in the name of "we teach your kids" and if you give us this raise you get my vote. And believer me I'll be back next year to squeeze you all over again, money for my vote. Fire them.
What's your point?
What's missing is the ability of the parents to cancel their contract with that crappy school and shop for a school that can do a better job of educating their kid.
I thought that was clear. No matter where the kid goes, its still the same kid operating years behind with the same skill levels. Changing the building where he goes does nothing to change that reality.
I guess you don't have kids.
I do and if that school were to take my money and not deliver services I've paid for, I'd take them to court for fraud.
I think the evidence has shown that teachers have a marginal impact over how a student performs.
With that said, why should the teachers get such excellent pay and benefits, with all those other perks, including dedicated raises, when it has virtually no impact on the quality of education delivered?
Public schools are free. So, good luck with that.
They are not free.
It just so happens that I got my property tax statement a couple of days ago.
Looks like I pay property taxes for schools.
I would be happy to look at your evidence for this claim. Please do provide it.
Please
char/10
Your credibility is slipping away
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