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Chauvin Seeks New Trial, Alleges Prosecutorial & Jury Misconduct

dcsports said:
It's hardly a theory. Again, if you support having a fair judicial system for minorities - you have to support it for all. This venom with regards to the process, pushing on the scales of justice for a person you don't like, makes it more difficult for everyone to get a fair trial.
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Can you give us some examples of Minnesota appellate courts ordering a new trial for pre-trial publicity?
 
BlueTex said:
Can you give us some examples of Minnesota appellate courts ordering a new trial for pre-trial publicity?
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You can look that up if you like.

We're talking about this case, and the issue goes well beyond pre-trial publicity.
 
dcsports said:
Given that you are deflecting with a personal attack, it's clear that you don't have a real basis for that.
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My personal attack was nothing more than an expression of my compete lack of respect for your hilarious and inconsequential concerns. The basis for reality being the opposite of what you claim, a lack of due process, was the public trial we all just watched on TV.
dcsports said:
It's hard to imagine a trial where there was more external pressure to come up with a particular verdict. It was extraordinary.
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😂

The only people claiming they were frightened about what could happen if Chauvin was found guilty are bitch ass Republicans who we all knew to be cowards from the desperate way they cling to their Bibles and guns. No else has implied they'd be ***** enough to convict someone they thought was innocent for fear of public backlash. You have any evidence these jurors are as cucked as your average Fox new host?
dcsports said:
Normally, elected officials and news outlets are very careful to avoid anything that could impact the trial.
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😂

Since ****ing when? Trump had Maga chanting Lock Her Up! before Hillary was even charged with anything.
dcsports said:
The city council flat ignored it by announcing the settlement.
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They're under no obligation to delay civil justice to the victims family on behalf of a murderer.
dcsports said:
Maxine Waters literally flew in to stoke the flames. Protesters made it very clear that any other verdict would result in the city going up in flames. All the defense has to do is show that it impacted the trial - and that won't be hard to do. This particular juror is going to be a part of that. It has nothing to do with race.
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That's fine. You all cling to the fantasy that that is enough to free this murderer, it just provides us more opportunities to laugh in your faces later when it doesn't happen. 😁
 
Grim17 said:
The "mob rules" thing is cute, and it's trendy, but our justice system has a set of rules that were put in place to protect the rights of everyone.
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Yep. Those are called trials. Chauvin lost his. 😂
 
Master Debator said:
My personal attack was nothing more than an expression of my compete lack of respect for your hilarious and inconsequential concerns. The basis for reality being the opposite of what you claim, a lack of due process, was the public trial we all just watched on TV.

😂

The only people claiming they were frightened about what could happen if Chauvin was found guilty are bitch ass Republicans who we all knew to be cowards from the desperate way they cling to their Bibles and guns. No else has implied they'd be ***** enough to convict someone they thought was innocent for fear of public backlash. You have any evidence these jurors are as cucked as your average Fox new host?

😂

Since ****ing when? Trump had Maga chanting Lock Her Up! before Hillary was even charged with anything.

They're under no obligation to delay civil justice to the victims family on behalf of a murderer.

That's fine. You all cling to the fantasy that that is enough to free this murderer, it just provides us more opportunities to laugh in your faces later when it doesn't happen. 😁
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You obviously aren't interested in a reasonable discussion. Take care.
 
dcsports said:
You can look that up if you like.

We're talking about this case, and the issue goes well beyond pre-trial publicity.
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LMAO... so you can’t give any examples?
 
BlueTex said:
LMAO... so you can’t give any examples?
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Again, you can look if you want.

Note that this goes way beyond just pre-trial publicity. There was publicity before and during the trial. The city releasing a record shattering settlement during the middle of jury selection. Elected officials flying in to make threats. Another incident during the middle of the trial that generated looting and destruction. Mobs of protesters, and unprecedented levels of security. And of course a juror that lied to get on the panel. It's a pretty unique case
 
BlueTex said:
Can you give us some examples of Minnesota appellate courts ordering a new trial for pre-trial publicity?
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dcsports said:
You can look that up if you like.

We're talking about this case, and the issue goes well beyond pre-trial publicity.
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So, no, he cannot provide any examples.
 
dcsports said:
Again, you can look if you want.

Note that this goes way beyond just pre-trial publicity. There was publicity before and during the trial. The city releasing a record shattering settlement during the middle of jury selection. Elected officials flying in to make threats. Another incident during the middle of the trial that generated looting and destruction. Mobs of protesters, and unprecedented levels of security. And of course a juror that lied to get on the panel. It's a pretty unique case
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It’s amusing you seem to think this is the first high viability trial in Minnesota.. kinda quaint, actually..
 
BlueTex said:
It’s amusing you seem to think this is the first high viability trial in Minnesota.. kinda quaint, actually..
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I didn't say it was. And?
 
I don't think conservatives appreciate how not-compelling "Chauvin's guilty verdict was fairly arrived at" and "he needs a new trial" is.
 
dcsports said:
You can look that up if you like.

We're talking about this case, and the issue goes well beyond pre-trial publicity.
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There's a reason why you're unwilling to look for past instances of re-trials as a result of high publicity: if publicity outside the courtroom resulted in a mistrial or a new trial, there could be no trials with high profile defendants. It would grind our justice system to a halt and prosecutors would simply conclude that it was a waste of time to prosecute high profile suspects.

The fact of the matter is that if you're going to demand a new trial on the basis that somebody outside the courtroom inappropriately influenced the jury, you actually have to prove the jury was influenced. In this instance, for example, that sort of evidence would have to be the jurist saying "As a result of Maxine Waters' statement, I had to find Chauvin guilty."

Yes, that may sound absurd to you, but that's the bar you have to reach.
 
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