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CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 Trillion over 10 years

and socialistic programs, just like the USA....but more socialistic than we are.....
all "first" world countries have social programs, socialism is used to different dgrees, that is the only difference...

That doesnt make it succesful socialism. Just the opposite, those socialist programs have all caused problems for those countries. Increasing debt, unstable economies and currency, social unrest.
 
That doesnt make it succesful socialism. Just the opposite, those socialist programs have all caused problems for those countries. Increasing debt, unstable economies and currency, social unrest.

you are only seeing what you want to see...
all countries have problems, none of those countries are failing, the people who live there aren't moving to the USA in any large numbers, and those who do come here aren't coming because their countries are worse.
Look at the overall picture....
 

The US has the same problem, thats why. Socialist programs are causing debt, unrest and instability.
 
The US has the same problem, thats why. Socialist programs are causing debt, unrest and instability.

socialist programs exist as a response to corporate greed, robber barons, the unscrupulous hoarding of wealth at the expense of the rest of the nation....
 
socialist programs exist as a response to corporate greed, robber barons, the unscrupulous hoarding of wealth at the expense of the rest of the nation....

Im sure thats what the socialists think. In the US however, that response is against the law. I dont have a problem with people who want to live in a socialist country. Just respect those who dont.
 
The US has the same problem, thats why. Socialist programs are causing debt, unrest and instability.

So move to some other great nations who don't bother with any social programs and have really low tax rates.

I've heard Somalia is fantastic this time of year (before the famine season kicks in) and their government's so uninvasive that it practically doesn't exist! It is conservative PARADISE, I tell you!
 

anarchy is wonderful, ain't it? total freedom, as long as YOUR personal army is the biggest around...
 

Modern Somalia is a consequence of militant state communism.
You guys should read more about these subjects.

It makes your posts, look ignorant.
 

Why would I move? Thats how the US was designed. Just put it back, and then you either like it, change it legally, or leave it.
 
Why would I move? Thats how the US was designed. Just put it back, and then you either like it, change it legally, or leave it.

founding fathers were a bunch of damn liberals....
 
Modern Somalia is a consequence of militant state communism.
You guys should read more about these subjects.

It makes your posts, look ignorant.
true communism has never existed.....they were more dictatorships than anything else...
 
true communism has never existed.....they were more dictatorships than anything else...

I know, but this is what is popularly defined as communism.
Never the less, these regimes do a lot of things, that some liberals in the U.S. tend to want.

Industry nationalization and further state control of the economy.
It's just that they eventually fail because their economies start to suck, from all that government control.

It's pretty ignorant to call Somalia, a paradise of freedom, when one of the direct causes of it's destruction, is too much government control.
 

So the choices are socialism or anarchism?

Why wouldn't you use an example that's actually applicable, like, I don't know, India. One of the largest growing economies in the world that's also incidentally moving away from it's formally oppressive socialist policies. It's not like India is completely favorable to Capitalism either; there are plenty of problems you could point out. Falsely equating anyone against socialist policies to anarchists accomplishes nothing.
 
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so SOME liberals want some social thngs, they usually don't get them....
Some conservatives want unfettered capitalism....we had that once, and created robber barons who turned armed thugs loose on to their own employees....
Every philosophy has its own dark side.
 

likewise China.....oppressive regimes die hard, and slow....
some think that the USA might end up becoming an oppressive regime, but we have an advantage, too many unregistered guns.
 

ummm, that was sarcasm?
 
Re: New CBO health law estimate shows much higher spending past first 10 years

too bad conservatives didn't properly estimate the cost of the last IRAQ war and give congress a chance to fund it in advance....by taxing gasoline and diesel....

So in your world, war and health care are exactly the same? Defending the nation is the same thing as free government services to citizens?

Because in my world... that's different.
It's like the difference between getting cable TV and having food. If my income goes down... I'm cutting TV before I cut feeding the family.
 

Canadians have adequate health care? Really? Under $100 per family?


If adequate means suffering seizures until you come to the US and pay for care...

Two Women - YouTube

If adequate means suffering for 3 years until finally an infection made doctors to remove her bladder, forcing her to live with a catheter the rest of her life....

Family to sue after man dies in hospital waiting area - Manitoba - CBC News
Brian Sinclair, 45, died last September after waiting 34 hours at Winnipeg's Health Sciences Centre emergency room without receiving treatment for a bladder infection.

Adequate in leftist land.

Reality check: Canada's government health care system - CNN.com

Adequate. Who cares if she goes blind, it's free.

Some Canadian mothers forced to give birth in U.S. | News | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

Two provinces of 'adequate' care.

And there are HUNDREDS of stories like these. Why do you think Timely Medical Alternatives, a company that specializes in getting Canadians out of the Canadian health care system, even exists? Why would people pay to leave their "adequate care" system? Because it's not...
Timely Medical Services

With all due respect sir... you can take your adequate care, and get out of the US. We don't need your "adequate care" here. What crap!
 

I know some canadians, they like Canadian health care. Your antecdotes happen in the USA as well, often enough to keep many lawyers busy and rich....
 
Re: New CBO health law estimate shows much higher spending past first 10 years

as long as we are talking about personal preferences......
In my world, we take care of our sick before we go halfway around the world and kill people we don't like....
 

Sorry, unfettered capitalism has never existed.
Besides the fact, that once again, the government didn't do, what it was supposed to do.
 
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