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CBO’s Projections of Federal Health Care Spending

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Interesting letter out from the CBO today in response to a question from Sheldon Whitehouse as to how accurate their projections of federal health care spending after 2010 turned out to be: CBO’s Projections of Federal Health Care Spending.

No real news here (though I'm sure it's news to some), their conclusion is something I've mentioned often: they massively overestimated health care costs for the post-2010 (i.e., Affordable Care Act) era.


No knock on them, they do the best they can and nobody back then was predicting the ACA-era health care cost growth slowdown, not even the law's most vocal boosters.

But man, their projections in 2009 and 2010 were taken so seriously, breathlessly reported by news outlets and seized on by Congress to refine and iterate the health reform bills over and over again. Stuff was cut from the ACA or prevented from being included in it--supports that would've helped people and made care more affordable for lots of people over the past decade--on the basis of those projections. All to keep down the law's price tag, which we now know was vastly overestimated. Tough pill to swallow.
 
"The United States spends a larger share of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care than other advanced economies and performs worse on various measures of health outcomes than many of those same countries. In 2019, U.S. health expenditures were 17.6 percent of GDP, nearly 7 percentage points higher than the average of other comparably wealthy countries"

Such a sad reality.
 
Now it is time to amend the law and improve it based on new evidence. We'll put in a sentence that prevents doctors from wearing drag while they are treating patients and elected R's will fall all over themselves to vote for it...
 
Now it is time to amend the law and improve it based on new evidence. We'll put in a sentence that prevents doctors from wearing drag while they are treating patients and elected R's will fall all over themselves to vote for it...

Agreed, though the process of building on the ACA is well underway. The current administration's been doing it through regulatory and legislative steps to make what's in it work better, and through regulatory and legislative steps to start tackling some of the unfinished business it didn't address (e.g., antitrust enforcement and tackling prescription drug prices).

 
Lots of good news in that post!

I cannot understand how elected R's have convinced their constituents that no health coverage is better than the ACA.
 
Lots of good news in that post!

I cannot understand how elected R's have convinced their constituents that no health coverage is better than the ACA.

Outside of the most diehard rightwing koolaid-drinkers, I think at this point it's pretty clear that the GOP has failed miserably in that decade-long quest. Boasting about trying to destroy the ACA is now (rightly) seen as fringe and is something most in the GOP have learned to stop doing openly.

 
You're right but...
"To date, 40 states (including DC) have adopted the Medicaid expansion and 11 states have not adopted the expansion. Current status for each state is based on KFF tracking and analysis of state expansion activity."

I thought about running a contest to see who could name the 11 states but there would have been too many winners...(One of these 12 have expanded medicaid in the last year)
"As of the time of writing, only 12 states have not done so: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming."
 
I cannot understand how elected R's have convinced their constituents that no health coverage is better than the ACA.


They call those folks "useful idiots".
 

True, but the number dwindles every year. As you point out, like several other deep red electorates, South Dakota's voters recently overruled their elected leaders to expand Medicaid at the ballot box.

North Carolina is about to expand North Carolina, with final passage of the legislation as soon as this week.


And even Wyoming keeps flirting with expansion (though this year's attempt again did not succeed).


Slow and steady.
 
Slow and steady works great unless you haven't got the expansion in your state.
 
Perhaps in the socialism vs capitalism choice there is no completely right or completely wrong answer,

and in the case of healthcare in most cases the cost of 'freedom of choice' between 904 different health insurance providers with a multiplicity of plans and

an almost infinite way to divide up costs between a number of insurance policies with cut offs at various percentages means the US spends as much on administration

as on actual useful health care: 50% is waste.
 
I don't think producing the amazingly complicated mess we have is worth it

even to stop Joseph Stalin from sneaking into the US through a single-payer healthcare plan.
 
This is the best diagram I've found of the British National Health Service medical system, a block diagram of the main categories:

 
And a diagram I found of the top level components of the US health care system:

 
I've been very impressed by everyone I've met working in the US health care system and I'm fairly confident that without the exceptional people working in it that the system would not work at all.

The people are great, the system sucks.
 
That's a very silly graphic.
Do you mean what the graphic refers to is silly, or the graphic is badly drawn, or there is too much for one page, or some other issue?

There are documents describing various functions within the diagram; I was directed to SSA 1902 and SSA 1905 and both are well worth a quick look.
 

Given how many expenses are lower in the US than in other countries our medical costs are far too high.

The amount of money the government already pays in contributions to healthcare, is sufficient to run the entire system.
 
In 2022 the life/health/medical insurance industry employed 911,400 people. Most of the work is on reviewing healthcare charges, and the returns on auditing hospital charges save far more than is spent on them.

In addition the hospitals employ staff to charge healthcare to the insurance companies.

Changing to single payer as in England, pretty well all that work would be eliminated.

The extra hospital staff, health insurance company staff, government offices running the various schemes, extra time needed by PCPs and doctors selecting carers in the network, additional tax and auditing staff and such totals around 5% of the workforce that would be freed up to do useful work.

All those extra workers would require no additional housing, salaries Etc.

It would transform the US economy.
 

I mean it's just a random amalgamation of words, concepts, and entities intended to obscure, not illuminate.
 
When my case for healthcare was rejected, I was told to refer to SSA 1902 and SSA 1905 and other documents.

I read each and the other documents trying to determine my eligibility but was amazed at how different the writing styles were and how needlessly complex the design of the system is.
 

Medicaid eligibility is admittedly complex, but that was part of the impetus for the ACA throwing it open to anyone under 138% of the poverty line a decade ago.
 
I've been very impressed by everyone I've met working in the US health care system and I'm fairly confident that without the exceptional people working in it that the system would not work at all.

The people are great, the system sucks.
Not all are great. There is a massive amount of extortion in the U.S. healthcare system. People always want to blame insurers for high healthcare costs, they are maybe 5% of the problem at most. In the last 20 years, an entire consulting industry has arisen whose only purpose is to show providers how to code billing all the way to the legal line of fraud. So, we have plastic surgeons coming into critical care units, doing a handful of facial stitches, and billing 20 to 40k for it. Neurologists that spend 2 minutes glancing at a CT scan and billing 5k for it. Oncologists slowing the rate of chemo infusions just to increase billing. I can go on, but you get the idea. My wife worked in insurance defense for years, she would pull billing and medical records on a regular basis, you would not believe the kind of shit some providers pull. If it were any other sector of the economy, we would call it what it is, fraud and extortion.

Don't get me wrong, there are lots of good people in healthcare, but don't kid yourself that there are not some bad ones too.
 
Yes, now that I think about it, I can't blame the actual nurses but back in England as part of my medical I was offered an ECG.

Put on 5 electrodes, take a reading, type it into the computer, job's done. Might have taken two minutes in total.

Here it was a separate visit of 15 miles each way, 3 minutes to check my COVID vaccinations, and to the ECG, then back I went.

A few weeks later the bill arrived for a bit over 400 dollars.
 
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