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Catholic diocese and Orthodox Jewish synagogues ask Supreme Court to block New York's Covid limits

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If they genuinely knew what was going on there'd be acts in place where the laws were uniform, but they're not.
Again, the laws aren't going to be 'uniform' because they were made by different groups facing different local issues. That doesn't mean the people in those governments 'don't know what's going on'. Some might not. You might not.

Looping back to the big example - NYC has a population that's largely dependent on mass transportation - dirty, overcrowded public transportation, where you are forced to hold and touch surfaces. Plus land is such a premium the use of every space is maximized. Your work/shopping/church may take appropriate precautions, but if you have to crowd into a Petri dish to get there, or walk a crowded sidewalk, walk through a narrow hall, etc. you are going to have a higher level of risk. That's not the same as say, Houston or Dallas, where there is not the same dependence on public transportation, and spaces tend to be bigger.
 

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Primary disaster response is up to the states. It should be 50 different programs, because there are differences between states and areas. There's also further implementation at the local level. For example, New York state has very different issues than New Mexico, so their responses aren't going to be exactly the same. There are further differences locally - containing the disease in Syracuse is going to look different than NYC. In many ways, we want these different approaches too - as they allow us to find out what works and fine tune the response.

I disagree that 'no one really knows what's going on'. Many of those states have a good grasp on their issues and response. It's just difficult to track these and match up programs 1:1 on a national level. We don't want a 'one size fits all' response either for the same reason - it's impossible to track local conditions and adjust response on a nationwide level.
That is horribl4e misinformation. Containing a dangerious virus is same problem between states and areas. It depends on two things.. 1) how dense the population is and 2) how dense the population is. The solutions in both have a lot of simularties. Mostly, 1) Wear masks 2)Social Distance 3) Wash hands. A well designed program will take into account how closely packed people. If people are going to ignore safty measures becasue of 'freedom', they, and their loved ones will be at a much higher risk.
 

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I like to the idea of allowing the church to have their super spreader religious gatherings. It will thin the heard of the make believers. Idiots!
 

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That is horribl4e misinformation. Containing a dangerious virus is same problem between states and areas. It depends on two things.. 1) how dense the population is and 2) how dense the population is. The solutions in both have a lot of simularties. Mostly, 1) Wear masks 2)Social Distance 3) Wash hands. A well designed program will take into account how closely packed people. If people are going to ignore safty measures becasue of 'freedom', they, and their loved ones will be at a much higher risk.
Why do you think it's "horrible misinformation"? It's reality. Yes - those three points make sense.... but there's far more to it than that.
 

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Why do you think it's "horrible misinformation"? It's reality. Yes - those three points make sense.... but there's far more to it than that.
The misinformation is that the same techniques would not work in one place than antoher. It's not a 'local' problem. It is a national problem, and you need national standards. Without a national standard , it would be like trying to say that you can escape pee by restricting people to peeing in the shallow end of the pool
 

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Again, the laws aren't going to be 'uniform' because they were made by different groups facing different local issues. That doesn't mean the people in those governments 'don't know what's going on'. Some might not. You might not.

Looping back to the big example - NYC has a population that's largely dependent on mass transportation - dirty, overcrowded public transportation, where you are forced to hold and touch surfaces. Plus land is such a premium the use of every space is maximized. Your work/shopping/church may take appropriate precautions, but if you have to crowd into a Petri dish to get there, or walk a crowded sidewalk, walk through a narrow hall, etc. you are going to have a higher level of risk. That's not the same as say, Houston or Dallas, where there is not the same dependence on public transportation, and spaces tend to be bigger.
Agreed, but there are many cities, States and counties each having different restrictions and executive orders. If one of them was successful we should know about it.

But here's a Johns Hopkins study you may appreciate, but which was later removed from their site. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iO0K75EZAF8dkNDkDmM3L4zNNY0X-Xw5/view
 

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How is Trump responsible for what goes on in LA county? Wfat about Gavin Newsome and the local government?
I didn't say he was or he wasn't. I said, "Well, it's certainly true that Trump ****ed it up, yes." Further, Trump is a ****up period.
 

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The misinformation is that the same techniques would not work in one place than antoher. It's not a 'local' problem. It is a national problem, and you need national standards. Without a national standard , it would be like trying to say that you can escape pee by restricting people to peeing in the shallow end of the pool
No, that's reality. All disaster responses are local. The federal government can help, and provide resources, but there's too many differences in laws, conditions, jurisdictions, etc. There's also not a law supporting it - and congress will never agree to one. Also, trying to set a national standard for response sounds easy - yet no one has been able to articulate one yet.

Any such standard would work OK in some areas, and well in none. And again, we shouldn't try to - we want to find the best solution for each state, and that includes learning from the others - changing what doesn't work, and improving what does.
 

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I didn't say he was or he wasn't. I said, "Well, it's certainly true that Trump ****ed it up, yes." Further, Trump is a ****up period.
Then why did you submit a link to LA County? I think it's become ever more clear who is genuinely ****ed up.
 

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Then why did you submit a link to LA County?
Obviously to show how COVID keeps rolling along unchecked because people won't use the available mitigation tools. And why don't they? Because we have no leader showing the way.

It's amazing how the right can't even grasp the obvious.
 

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(CNN)While incidences of Covid spike across the country, the Supreme Court is once again considering arguments from houses of worship that say pandemic-related restrictions are violating their religious freedom rights.
The two latest cases arise out of New York as a Roman Catholic Diocese in Brooklyn and a group of Orthodox synagogues are challenging Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo's executive order limiting in-person attendance at houses of worship to 10 or 25 people in geographic "red" and "orange" zones.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/new-york-covid-religious-rules/index.html


I say if they want to spread the virus in houses of worship that is fine with me. They just need to agree that they will not be admitted to any hospital for Covid 19 infections. We do not have the space for those that willfully contract it. They can let God sort it out. Don't they believe that God will protect them?
You can't close churches, synagogues and mosques to an arbitrary numbers and then leave other establishments open to a percentage of space available. Democrat governors are exceeding their authority and infringing on citizens civil rights.
 

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You can't close churches, synagogues and mosques to an arbitrary numbers and then leave other establishments open to a percentage of space available. Democrat governors are exceeding their authority and infringing on citizens civil rights.
We just can't admit them to our hospitals if they get covid pneumonia. As long as they agree to that I am fine with it. At least it's a show of faith.
 
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