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Catholic bishops endorse two-state solution to Mideast conflict

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Roman Catholic bishops for the Middle East concluded a two-week conference with a call for the international community, especially the United Nations, to work "to put an end to the occupation" of Palestinian territories.

"The Palestinian people will thus have an independent and sovereign homeland where they can live with dignity and security," the group said in a statement Saturday at the end of a meeting headed by Pope Benedict XVI. "The State of Israel will be able to enjoy peace and security within their internationally recognized bordersThe Holy City of Jerusalem will be able to acquire its proper status, which respects its particular character, its holiness and the religious patrimony of the three religions: Jewish, Christian and Muslim. We hope that the two-state-solution might become a reality and not a dream only."

The pope first publicly endorsed a two-state solution to the Middle East crisis during a visit to the region in May 2009. At the time, he assured Palestinians of the Vatican's support of a sovereign Palestinian homeland. It was a concept that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu resisted.
Catholic bishops endorse two-state solution to Mideast conflict - CNN.com
 

Does anyone believe that the leaders of sex crimes throughout the world have any moral authority to talk to this or any point. Where were they sixty years ago when their flock massacred millions of people in just one Christianities terror campaigns. After they have properly sent to the authorities are off their officials who committed sex crimes throughout the world, then maybe they can spend time worrying about what others should do. Of course many will probably be doing it from jail cells as appropriate.
 
Does anyone believe that the leaders of sex crimes throughout the world have any moral authority to talk to this or any point. Where were they sixty years ago when their flock massacred millions of people in just one Christianities terror campaigns. After they have properly sent to the authorities are off their officials who committed sex crimes throughout the world, then maybe they can spend time worrying about what others should do. Of course many will probably be doing it from jail cells as appropriate.




The use of the word "Flock" here is inappropriate. It's a rather substantial exaggeration.
 
The use of the word "Flock" here is inappropriate. It's a rather substantial exaggeration.

Perhaps I should have said many members of their flock. I did not mean ALL members, I should have been clearer.
 
Expressing renewed support for a negotiated two-state solution would be constructive. Proclaiming support for the Palestinian maximum position, including the Palestinian demand concerning refugees, is not. It only further emboldens Palestinian intransigence. Worse, the synod attempted to inject a religious element into the already complex historic dispute and one of the Archbishops engaged in religious "successionism" (a direct attack on the Jewish faith). In the end, its conclusions are quite inconsistent with the Catholic Church's post-Vatican II doctrine and it only enflames the historic dispute by embracing one of the parties' maximum positions. It is not a contribution to the peace process nor a means of building bridges among the world's faiths.
 
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Expressing renewed support for a negotiated two-state solution would be constructive. Proclaiming support for the Palestinian maximum position, including the Palestinian demand concerning refugees, is not. It only further emboldens Palestinian intransigence. Worse, the synod attempted to inject a religious element into the already complex historic dispute and one of the Archbishops engaged in religious "successionism" (a direct attack on the Jewish faith). In the end, its conclusions are quite inconsistent with the Catholic Church's post-Vatican II doctrine and it only enflames the historic dispute by embracing one of the parties' maximum positions. It is not a contribution to the peace process nor a means of building bridges among the world's faiths.

Isn't this the same Pope that wants to canonize the Pope who was in power during WWII? Also wasn't he one of the main protectors of the priest pedophiles. I wonder if that is really Mel Gibson in costum.
 
Expressing renewed support for a negotiated two-state solution would be constructive. Proclaiming support for the Palestinian maximum position, including the Palestinian demand concerning refugees, is not. It only further emboldens Palestinian intransigence. Worse, the synod attempted to inject a religious element into the already complex historic dispute and one of the Archbishops engaged in religious "successionism" (a direct attack on the Jewish faith). In the end, its conclusions are quite inconsistent with the Catholic Church's post-Vatican II doctrine and it only enflames the historic dispute by embracing one of the parties' maximum positions. It is not a contribution to the peace process nor a means of building bridges among the world's faiths.

Here is a copy of the document in question:

ZENIT - Mideast Synod's Concluding Statement

You are completely misrepresenting the contents of it as it nowhere endorses the right of return, it even only mentions "thousands of refugees" as opposed to the millions recognized as such by the UNRWA. It does call for implementing UN resolutions and withdrawing to the 1967 boundaries, but there are many Israeli voices that have argued for much the same thing. The document explicitly references the Second Vatican Council and the position it presented on Judaism.
 
Here is a copy of the document in question:

ZENIT - Mideast Synod's Concluding Statement

You are completely misrepresenting the contents of it as it nowhere endorses the right of return, it even only mentions "thousands of refugees" as opposed to the millions recognized as such by the UNRWA. It does call for implementing UN resolutions and withdrawing to the 1967 boundaries, but there are many Israeli voices that have argued for much the same thing. The document explicitly references the Second Vatican Council and the position it presented on Judaism.

Does anyone still take this group of old men, some of whom allowed pedophiles to stay in their ranks seriously? Hasn't most of the world long ago felt that they have lost any moral authority then may have had.
 
Does anyone still take this group of old men, some of whom allowed pedophiles to stay in their ranks seriously? Hasn't most of the world long ago felt that they have lost any moral authority then may have had.


Actually a few still have a few Standards and the Moral Authority to state them.

Also some of the "Harshest' Critics of the Church are Glad the Pedophiles exist. It's their psychological makeup.
 
Actually a few still have a few Standards and the Moral Authority to state them.

Also some of the "Harshest' Critics of the Church are Glad the Pedophiles exist. It's their psychological makeup.

Well when you find those few that actually have either standards or moral authority let me know.

Where would put their leader who seems to have known about crimes committed throughout the world as kept it quiet. If he wasn't the "head of state" he would probably be exposed to criminal trials for aiding and abetting.
 
Here is a copy of the document in question:

ZENIT - Mideast Synod's Concluding Statement

DOL,

Several quick things:

1. At the time I responded, the actual statement had not been published on the Vatican's website. I relied on news reports and take full responsibility for my errors.

2. The actual statement is somewhat milder than what had been indicated (articles and comments made at the press conference). But it remains deeply problematic by injecting a religious element into an already complex and basic historic dispute.

3. Archbishop Bustros, who presided over the Commission of the Message at the press conference following the conclusion of the synod engaged in appalling conduct, advancing a "successionist" theology and he, not the document, embraced the Palestinian maximum demand on refugees. He declared, without any qualification:

Even if the head of the Israeli state is Jewish, the future is based on democracy.

The Palestinian refugees will eventually come back and this problem will have to be solved.


Bottom line: He was forecasting that the refugees will move to Israel and that Israel's viability as a Jewish state would be challenged by such a situation.

In the end, the synod would have done far better to reaffirm the Vatican's call for a two-state solution and to urge the parties to negotiate in good faith and with the flexibility and persistence required to achieve that outcome. It didn't.

An opportunity was missed. While the written statement was not as damaging as some of the remarks made by Archbishop Bustros, it still fell far short of a constructive document.
 
Does anyone still take this group of old men, some of whom allowed pedophiles to stay in their ranks seriously? Hasn't most of the world long ago felt that they have lost any moral authority then may have had.

Not to mention that the frothy merrengue of words they create doesn't say anything even remotely meaningful.
 
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