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In a perfect world, they'd all have been sent to therapy.On this page is the complete Supreme Tribunal verdict (in Spanish): Catalan trial verdict: 9 leaders to serve total of 100 years in jail for sedition
In a perfect world, they'd all have been sent to therapy.
In straight jackets, of course.
Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.Forced to listen on a never-ending loop to the appalling tripe that is the Catalan separatists' Band Aid moment:
Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.
I guess on my next drive to France (and beyond) I'll use the Atlantic route. That'll involve the Basques, of course, but one can't have it all.
Bah, if I wanted to see abundantly green pastures, lousy weather, snow covered mountains and funny people, I'd be living in Bavaria instead of Andalusia.:mrgreen:Went that way the other way round by foot - nice People and beautiful landscape - I would take that way anyway ;o)
Reminds me I haven't used a puke bucket for so long that I forgot where I stored it.
I guess on my next drive to France (and beyond) I'll use the Atlantic route. That'll involve the Basques, of course, but one can't have it all.
Well yeah, but who wants (in this current set-up) anything to do with an erstwhile kingdom that actually entitled these idiots?Aragon? I'm sure you can cross the Pyrenees via Huesca.
Well yeah, but who wants (in this current set-up) anything to do with an erstwhile kingdom that actually entitled these idiots?
Even if it only took them under its crown at the time.
I hear that an arrest warrant has been issued again on the Mr. Bean clown.
This time (primarily) for misuse of public funds. That might even fly in Belgium where the "rebellion" thing didn't (couldn't).
My comment was very tongue-in-cheek.Nah, the Catalans own their predicament. They have their own mini-Aryan genetic thing going, that they are utterly distinct from anyone else, especially in Iberia. The Aragonese are fine; and in a way it's quite exemplary how such an extensive kingdom just dropped off the map. I've only done the west or east Pyrenees crossings, but have done at different times Madrid-Zaragoza-Huesca-Jaca and it's a pretty straight run. Looks like you end up near Lourdes on the French side, so onward connections shouldn't be too bad.
Should you wish to pause in Aragon en-route my top tips are (1) Calanda. Birthplace of Luis Buñuel. Can't really get more Spanish than that. (2) Los Monegros. Looks like yet another barren rocky outcrop with an ime singularly glum village nestled in it, but it used to be a big forest, which they cut down to build the Armada with. Can't get much more Spanish than that, either.
Can't really blame her, as you say. Opposing sedition of others while pursuing it for one's own doesn't go down all that well. Even if the comparison is stupid in all other aspects. For one thing, the Scots not being motivated by a ginormous inferiority complex as the Catalans are.There's also the impetus that given the guilty verdicts the 'exiles' may now try to escape to countries outwith EU jurisdiction.
The irony is painful, trying to equivalence the Catalan 'Tsunami Democratic' with what's happening in Hong Kong and not understanding why the rest of the world simply dngaf. Well, apart from Nicola Sturgeon and bless her, she couldn't really be seen not to be being supportive.
Sedition? How old were the laws used for that conviction, I wonder? Are you punishing rebels or just creating folk-heroes who will come back stronger in the end?
The sentences seem pretty severe and will no doubt invite legal appeals both in Spain and perhaps in Europe. What will Spain do if a European tribunal overturns the sentences or reduces the sentences dramatically? Tis story is far from over, me thinks, as separatism is a matter of the heart and not a matter of reason, too often. It never goes away and must always be carefully managed to prevent it.
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
Catalonia’s separatists were jailed for sedition, but brought down by hubris | Giles Tremlett | Opinion | The GuardianDespite the long sentences handed down by the supreme court on 14 October, some of the nine leaders convicted of sedition and misuse of public funds could soon be eligible to apply for “semi-liberty”, allowing them out of prison on a regular basis.
Josep María Tamarit, a professor of criminal law at the Open University of Catalonia, said that in cases where a sentence of five years or more was handed out, a court could stipulate “that half the sentence has to be served before prisoners are eligible for semi-liberty”.
However, the supreme court turned down prosecutors’ request for such an order in the Catalan case.
That means that Jordi Sànchez and Jordi Cuixart – who have now served two years in pre-trial detention – could apply to be allowed out on licence as soon as they have served a quarter of their sentences, which would be in January next year.
Oriol Junqueras, who received the longest sentence – 13 years – would have to wait about 15 months before applying.
I'm waiting for the 1,200 cars 'Tsunami Democratic' despatched to blockade Madrid-Barajas airport to turn up. Probably all still parked outside the first puticlub in the hills.
He will be extradited. The charge of fraud aka misappropriation of public funds is enough to get his cowardly ass back to Spain. And there is no doubt of his guilt but of course ehe is doing this to become a martyr. If I was the Spanish prosecution, I would not charge him with sidition but only with fraud and that way he would be a common criminal rather than a martyr.I hear Puigdemont has turned himself in to the Belgian police, following a new international arrest order having been issued by Spain.
He presumably thinks he'll be released again, same as last time when a German court set him free on account of the crime of "rebellion" (cited in the arrest order at the time) not existing in German law in the definition that Spain supplied.
This time round Spain wisely didn't include that term, citing "merely" extortion of public funds. Whether the Belgians will concur with Spain remains to be seen but he'll better not travel thru Germany again.
Looks as though that is the plan since tehy can't prosecute him for anything other than what the arrest warrant holds.He will be extradited. The charge of fraud aka misappropriation of public funds is enough to get his cowardly ass back to Spain. And there is no doubt of his guilt but of course ehe is doing this to become a martyr. If I was the Spanish prosecution, I would not charge him with sidition but only with fraud and that way he would be a common criminal rather than a martyr.
Sent from my Honor 8X
Meanwhile Catalonians are rioting in significant numbers and a general strike is supposed to happen on Friday or Saturday. It seems Catalonian nationalism and separatism has not been dampened by the harsh sentences meted out by the Sppanish legal system m" but has rather been inflamed. Hearts burn and minds freeze in the throes of the passion for identity. What can be done?
Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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