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How would a more socialist mixed economy change industrialism so that it doesn't further degrade what's left of Earth's ecosystems?
Socialists say the funniest gosh damned things.The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
It's a heavy lift to assign the burden of repairing the climate to an economic ideology that isn't remotely close to being implemented (after capitalism has utterly decimated it). However, we can start with the objectives of the Green New Deal (by the way, not a socialist concept):
- Providing investments and leveraging funding to help communities affected by climate change
- Repairing and upgrading existing infrastructure to withstand extreme weather and ensuring all bills related to infrastructure in Congress address climate change
- Investing in renewable power sources
- Investing in manufacturing and industry to spur growth in the use of clean energy
- Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and smart power grids that provide affordable electricity
- Upgrading all existing buildings and building new ones so that they achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability.
- Supporting family farming, investing in sustainable farming, and building a more sustainable and equitable food system
- Investing in transportation systems, namely zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing, public transit, and high-speed rail
- Restoring ecosystems through land preservation, afforestation, and science-based projects
- Cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites
- Identifying unknown sources of pollution and emissions
- Working with the international community on solutions and helping them achieve Green New Deals
These all exist within the capitalist frame work and are very achievable.
Of course it is. Without it you do not have choice, control, or freedom.No it is not
Good answer. But I didn't assign the burden to an economic ideology (see next point).
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A major flaw in your critique of what you're incorrectly calling 'capitalism': Nearly all (if not all) current formal economies are mixed economies, with the two main ingredients being capitalism and socialism.
Left-wing logic: People who earn and invest their own money make careless investments. People who appropriate and invest other people's money make good investments.
Let's consider a simple hypothetical. We have two innovations competing for funding, Product Idea A and Product Idea B. While no one ever has a crystal ball, let us suppose, for argument's sake, that Product Idea A holds the most promise; it will deliver the most benefit to customers, create the most employment, and generate the most tax revenue. Let us also suppose that Product Idea B offers the sole, yet happy coincidence that it will mean more jobs only in the home district of the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.
Which idea will receive investment in a market economy and which in a centrally managed economy?
Capitalism is a Monetary System Ideology, that uses Denominational currency to facilitate a means for fair exchange.... It's Greed and the extremenity of Greed which is Avarice, that damages the system of Capitalism.The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
Yup. Everything in our society, our business models as well as our social constructs are the most profitable versions attainable.The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
Every since the ideology of "Increase The Intent To Repurchase" became the Mentality Them and Ideoology of Corporations.... EVERYTHING is made to be obsolete. Some things one cannot even get replacement parts for it.Yup. Everything in our society, our business models as well as our social constructs are the most profitable versions attainable.
My family had one toaster and one manual can opener for my entire childhood. Now they’re only good for a couple of years if that.
My “dream model” for the world would be that everything made is the very best quality version of that thing. Think old Mercedes. They would be more expensive, but not need to be replaced much. And if they were replaced for the “newest,hottest” their old one is sold to someone who will continue to use it. Repeat all the way to the third world.
When our solar panels reach the end of their useful life they still have 85% of their capacity. I’m quite sure some third world people would love to have 85% solar panels when they have 0% electricity now.
We are wasteful. Horribly so. And would likely be happier if our institutions were the best for everybody instead of just the most profitable versions.
Aside from making everyone poor and starving, what has socialism done?Give me specifics about the GREATEST innovations of capitalism.
YES!!!! These things will create 10's of thousands of jobs if not 100's of thousands of "sustainable jobs".It's a heavy lift to assign the burden of repairing the climate to an economic ideology that isn't remotely close to being implemented (after capitalism has utterly decimated it). However, we can start with the objectives of the Green New Deal (by the way, not a socialist concept):
- Providing investments and leveraging funding to help communities affected by climate change
- Repairing and upgrading existing infrastructure to withstand extreme weather and ensuring all bills related to infrastructure in Congress address climate change
- Investing in renewable power sources
- Investing in manufacturing and industry to spur growth in the use of clean energy
- Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and smart power grids that provide affordable electricity
- Upgrading all existing buildings and building new ones so that they achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability.
- Supporting family farming, investing in sustainable farming, and building a more sustainable and equitable food system
- Investing in transportation systems, namely zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing, public transit, and high-speed rail
- Restoring ecosystems through land preservation, afforestation, and science-based projects
- Cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites
- Identifying unknown sources of pollution and emissions
- Working with the international community on solutions and helping them achieve Green New Deals
These all exist within the capitalist frame work and are very achievable.
lol, appliance regulations aren't the reason they break down faster.Yes, because those appliances were unregulated in the past. Today appliance manufacturers have to build appliances the way the filthy government wants, instead of what the consumer wants. The increased complexity to comply with all of the mandates and regulations is what is ruining the appliance market.
Appliance Regulations Are Bringing Back Dirt, Filth, and Disease - The Heartland Institute
President Donald Trump is fighting to roll back federal appliance standards which are leaving people in the dark, dirty, and possibly ill.www.heartland.org
Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF
Skimping on toilet water has resulted in more sludge backing up inside the sewer pipes,...www.sfgate.com
Sam Kazman: How Washington Ruined Your Washing Machine
In The Wall Street Journal, Sam Kazman of the Competitive Enterprise Institute writes that the top-loading washer continues to disappear, thanks to the usual nanny state suspects.www.wsj.com
Lawsuit aims to cleanse federal regulations hampering washing machines, dishwashers
(The Center Square) – Twelve attorneys general filed an opening brief Friday in a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for changes made this year to energy andwww.thecentersquare.com
What Has Government Done to Our Bathrooms? | The Daily Economy
The net effect of all of this has been to ruin our bathrooms. You might not realize it because the change has been slow, extending over 25 years. Only by en ...www.aier.org
And there is no end in sight:
Opinion | A Regulatory Burden for Every Room of Your House
The Biden administration moves to make appliances more expensive and less effective.www.wsj.com
Yes. This is why communist countries were so famously the driver of technological advancements.The thing responsible for the most innovative in human history is somehow responsible for hindering it? Weird theory.
The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
I also decided that I would rather have fewer high quality things than myriad cheap ones.Every since the ideology of "Increase The Intent To Repurchase" became the Mentality Them and Ideoology of Corporations.... EVERYTHING is made to be obsolete. Some things one cannot even get replacement parts for it.
In Earlier Time, part of an Automotive Industry's Profit Model, was selling "Spare Replacement Parts". This new breed of Corporate Imbeciles, have ignored all of that, and all they can think is to produce cheap low quality short life span goods. Result: We have more non usable junk scattered around the world every years.
It's crazy that we don't use "glass containers" for various foods.. if we did we'd have less plastic damaging everything, and glass recycling would be very big business.
I would have loved to have one of the Old Mercedes, I wish I'd kept my 1984 Porsche and my 1989 Porsche, they were built like "tanks", Even the 1989 Benz, was far more solid than the Benz of today. (Those were built before "everyone and their uncle too started buying Benz and Porsche).
I had two BMW, a 80's model 530 and 530i, both were very solid cars. The newer models just don't seem to have the solidity of the older models.
I still buy Benz, because the E Class is built very well, I won't buy one of the C Class or the CLA; what really weird is the S Class I see so many of them continually in the shop.
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Over the years, I've learned not to buy "low quality things because its low cost, just to say I have a thing". It's better to buy "quality", even if you have to buy it used, its better than buying new low quality things because the cost is cheap. I look at "function" and durability of functioning.
Greed damages the System of Capitalism, its not that Capitalism is bad... its that Greed is Prized over Respect and Responsibility and Greed ignores Ethics.
I am thankful to be able to say:
I try to avoid buying lots of things on credit. Currently, I only have a car payment, that I plan to pay off soon, the less I owe, the better it is for me.
No one can come and remove anything from my home for lack of payment.
I certainly don't buy clothes and shoes on credit, I use pre paid cards, so there is no bill to come later, If I want to go on a trip, I just put more money on the pre-paid card. Years, ago... I could carry American Express Travelers Checks.
- I've been that way since very young, if it's in my home, then its mine and I like knowing I paid for it and no one can come and take it for non payment.
I don't buy anything from anyone calling me or sending me an email trying to sell me something.
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People can curb the Corporate Greed, by not falling for their excessive advertisement, and if they jack up the prices, one simply can go find the product some other place, and in many cases one can do without it.
Look around your own home and things you've bought as must have, which you no longer even use, and in some cases people have it in a storage shed or attic, never to be seen or used again. Antiques, that's a different matter, but remember not everything that is old, will not vastly increase in value, just because its old.
I also, don't go into buying "fad" things. I don't chase designer label things, If I find one that is good and made well, and happens to have a designer label on it, thats fine. But... for people who don't understand the structure. Designer Stores that offer its Specific Brand, is where they send the actual higher quality products that Designer Signature Inspected Quality is Sold.. when those Designer Label Goods are sold in various stores that have License and they sell it for a few dollars less... It is not, the same as the Original Designer Product from the Actual Designers Special Collection".... those License get "Mass Consumer Produced Quality, not the "Select Special Collection" Quality.I also decided that I would rather have fewer high quality things than myriad cheap ones.
There’s something about well made, durable things that’s pleases me on a visceral level.
And the only reason I use credit is to build enough to buy some dirt to retire on. My credit score was literally zero when I started to use credit at 48.
as long as there is one drop of oil in the ground there will be little reason to pursue alternate energy........and as long as we as a species only pay lip service to being moral and to being Christian what's good for us will take a back seat to what is profitable for us.....The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
As a worker in a company that uses Amazon for distribution, i can attest to how much of a pain in the ass it is to work with them and how wasteful they can be.Newer does not mean better. It just means newer.
The fact that it's more cost effect to mass destroy products to keep the supply chain limited should tell you something.
A mixed economy is still a capitalist economy. A mixed economy does not change the mode of production.Good answer. But I didn't assign the burden to an economic ideology (see next point).
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A major flaw in your critique of what you're incorrectly calling 'capitalism': Nearly all (if not all) current formal economies are mixed economies, with the two main ingredients being capitalism and socialism.
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The US Green Party has been flirting with ecosocialism.
This is very bad.... for the earth... it might benefit those who want to limit quantity and keep prices high, but it also tells us that over production is and likely always has been a big issue. I guess economist would say the high production keeps people working, but it cost us all in other ways as well, i.e. depletion of resources, manufacture of more toxic substances and materials and things that don't break down to a natural state even in the lifetime of some of our lives.As a worker in a company that uses Amazon for distribution, i can attest to how much of a pain in the ass it is to work with them and how wasteful they can be.
well yeah but the great thing about living in a nation with our Constitution is we guaranteed the right to innovate if we so desire...ie Henry Ford or Alexander Bell or inventors of the personal computer etc.........capitalism as we know it today is just the most efficient method of sustaining progress and providing a living for most of us........obviously it has a lot of short comings.......if we as a species can ever get over this maddening pride we each are cursed with and live as Jesus taught us the issues you describe will be obsolete........The incentive structure of capitalism requires that all innovation be profit-driven, rather than aimed producing the most effective, most efficient, or best product. In healthcare, it means focusing on medicine that can generate the most profit, often (always?) at the expense and detriment of the patient. Ailments that do not generate a profit are either overlooked, or for the people that suffer for them, the medicine is jacked up to astronomical proportions to cover the more limited market. Meanwhile the vast majority of medical innovation and research is publicly funded -- which makes the ethics and morality of for-profit medicine highly suspect. Just look at some of the stories surrounding Joe Manchin's family.
Do you notice that appliances tend to break down more than they have in the past? That's by design, either through increased cost cutting in the manufacturing, or specifically to get you to replace those appliances. A good percentage of those products are simply destroyed, because it's more profitable to do so.
Green energy could transform this planet, even by capitalist metrics, but in the short term its cheaper (and thus more lucrative for the existing corporate infrastructure) to utilize fossil fuels -- even though the costs are absorbed by (and from) the public, not to mention the planet.
If profit is the motivation behind innovation in a capitalist economy, what incentive is there to actually create better products / medicine / energy extraction technology -- especially if innovation changes the profit structure?
well yeah but the great thing about living in a nation with our Constitution is we guaranteed the right to innovate if we so desire...ie Henry Ford or Alexander Bell or inventors of the personal computer etc.........capitalism as we know it today is just the most efficient method of sustaining progress and providing a living for most of us........obviously it has a lot of short comings.......if we as a species can ever get over this maddening pride we each are cursed with and live as Jesus taught us the issues you describe will be obsolete........
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