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Canada to legalize pot next spring

Henrin said:
Then convince your neighbors to not do drugs. If they do drugs then help them to get better. Allow people the freedom to make mistakes and be there for them when they fall.
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I can agree with that.
 
Fenton said:
Laws protect and apply to all of society's members, including those who dont want to raise their family in a society inundated with addicts and or people under the influence of powerful psychoactive chemicals.

The argument for legalization is being made in a vacuum by people who put their drug use before those who dont want their communities harmed by a large influx of drugs and drug users.

Taking into consideration the concerns of everyone before making rash changes that could have short term and long term destructive consequences isn't necessarily a Conservative idea.

Its just the right thing to do
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No.
I want to see a convincing argument for making pot illegal. Legal is the default setting- you need a damn good reason to make it illegal for someone to do what they want and the fact that they'll be harming their health doesn't cut it.
What is it with you conservatives? You're all, like, we want small government, we want personal liberties, we want less government interference, and then you oppose personal freedom, you support legislating morality and self-harmful behaviour, you support mandatory sentencing, damn, don't get me started.
I'm liberal. I want all you zealots to stay out of my life. You're conservative. You want to have a say in what I do with my life.
 
coldjoint said:
Maybe I am wrong. You don't seem to understand what is said to you. And that is what your reply indicates.
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Atta boy. You're right. I'm just too far behind you to understand your arguments.
 
Henrin said:
Liberals believe government should control and tax pot instead of making it illegal. As for me, I think it should legal.
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Good on you. This liberal disagrees with your caveat but no matter.
This liberal would go a step further- I think all drugs should be legal.
 
Grand Mal said:
This will be the first Liberal deficit in a long time. The last Liberal government brought down eight or nine successive years of surplus budgets. It was the Conservatives who brought us back into the red.
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Absolute nonsense and an attempt to deceive or just plain uninformed.

The first three terms of the Conservative government in Canada were minority governments and as you should well know even if our American friends don't a Canadian minority government will fall if their budget is not adopted by a majority of Parliament. As such, during those 6-7 years, the Conservatives were dependent upon the votes of Liberals and Socialists to get a budget passed and that necessitated trade-offs and budget deficits. Following the financial crisis in 2007/08, the minority Conservative government was held hostage by those two parties and forced into massive deficit spending/stimulus similar to that in the US under Obama. It wasn't until the people of Canada gave the Conservatives a majority government in 2011 that the Conservatives were able to whittle those deficits down into a surplus when they left office. So don't give me any crap about Liberals not promoting or forcing deficit spending.

All that said, the fact remains that this new Liberal government and this new Liberal Prime Minister are incompetent spendthrifts who went from a promise of no deficits to a promise of 3 years of $10 billion deficits to a reality of deficits three times that amount for years into the future with no plan whatsoever to come back into balance or surplus in their four year term of office. You have a finance minister who blatantly lies about the surplus the Conservatives left last year, even when the Parliament's budget officer factually contradicts him and you have a Prime Minister who travels the world handing out Canadian taxpayer dollars like it's candy.

If you don't believe Liberals are the party of taxpayer waste, just spend some time looking into the criminally incompetent Liberal Party government in Ontario, a party that the new Prime Minister is tied at the waist with on almost all issues. Paul Martin was the last, good, finance minister the Liberals have ever had and when he became Prime Minister and carried his fiscal responsibility with him, the Liberals drummed him out of the leadership and out of office.

Justin Trudeau and Kathleen Wynne will do their damnedest to drive this country into the financial gutter and our children and their children will be paying for it with increased taxes, increases in the cost of living, and reduced benefits and services for those who truly need them.
 
Henrin said:
Then convince your neighbors to not do drugs. If they do drugs then help them to get better. Allow people the freedom to make mistakes and be there for them when they fall.
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Dont confuse freedom with anarchy, and if I'm going to convince my neighbors to do anything it would be to abide by the Laws of the land.

Legalizing Marijuana ? What a backwards society we live in.

We've added tons of new laws and taxes Nation wide to discourage Cigarette use while simultaneously advocating for the legalization of a substance thats smoked without a filter and that causes brain damage

There's National anti-tobacco campaigns targeted for the youth of our Nation. Campaigns that ignore the substantial risk that come with Marijuana use

https://www.thetruth.com/

I emailed TheTruth.com a while back and thanked them for their good work in informing kids of the dangers of tobacco use. I also asked them why they dont warn of the dangers of smoking Marijuana

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

Marijuana and the developing brain

Those who advocate for legalization need to be a bit more thoughtful and considerate to their fellows neighbors and citizens
 
Grand Mal said:
A bill to legalize marijuana will be introduced to Parliament in the spring of 2017...

Canada to introduce pot legalization legislation in 2017 - National | Globalnews.ca

So, should there be a moratorium on possession arrests? Should court cases be delayed until the new law is enacted?
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Better late than never, but I'll take it.

Very much looking forward to getting in on the ground floor of the Ontario pot industry once the dust has all settled, as are many pharmacist clients of my firm; there is going to be some serious economic opportunity here, to say nothing of the savings with respect to law enforcement.
 
Surrealistik said:
Better late than never, but I'll take it.

Very much looking forward to getting in on the ground floor of the Ontario pot industry once the dust has all settled, as are many pharmacist clients of my firm; there is going to be some serious economic opportunity here, to say nothing of the savings with respect to law enforcement.
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Law enforcement, incarceration, not to mention the benefits of freeing legal resources from the waste-pit of marijuana prohibition and allowing them to be used usefully.
Out here (BC), the serious economic opportunity has been happening for years and will only open up more now. We welcome the chance to provide our expertise to the medical sector and the regulated public market. Yes, I'd say there will be opportunities in Ontario. Once standards are established for medical marijuana products (the trend is to products that don't need to be smoked) and the new aura of legitimacy triggers more research Ontario, by virtue of weight of numbers, will assume the lead.
Just curious, you work for a law firm?
 
Grand Mal said:
Law enforcement, incarceration, not to mention the benefits of freeing legal resources from the waste-pit of marijuana prohibition and allowing them to be used usefully.
Out here (BC), the serious economic opportunity has been happening for years and will only open up more now. We welcome the chance to provide our expertise to the medical sector and the regulated public market. Yes, I'd say there will be opportunities in Ontario. Once standards are established for medical marijuana products (the trend is to products that don't need to be smoked) and the new aura of legitimacy triggers more research Ontario, by virtue of weight of numbers, will assume the lead.
Just curious, you work for a law firm?
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Commercial real estate/management firm specializing in medical/pharmaceutical businesses and properties.
 
Fenton said:
Dont confuse freedom with anarchy, and if I'm going to convince my neighbors to do anything it would be to abide by the Laws of the land.

Legalizing Marijuana ? What a backwards society we live in.

We've added tons of new laws and taxes Nation wide to discourage Cigarette use while simultaneously advocating for the legalization of a substance thats smoked without a filter and that causes brain damage

There's National anti-tobacco campaigns targeted for the youth of our Nation. Campaigns that ignore the substantial risk that come with Marijuana use

https://www.thetruth.com/

I emailed TheTruth.com a while back and thanked them for their good work in informing kids of the dangers of tobacco use. I also asked them why they dont warn of the dangers of smoking Marijuana

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

Marijuana and the developing brain

Those who advocate for legalization need to be a bit more thoughtful and considerate to their fellows neighbors and citizens
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The lies you shamelessly repeat here were debunked repeatedly in the thread you started to spread them previously:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-on-drugs/251218-recreational-use-mj-causes-brain-damage.html

Stop shamelessly repeating your lies. It's bad to do that.
 
Grand Mal said:
A bill to legalize marijuana will be introduced to Parliament in the spring of 2017...

Canada to introduce pot legalization legislation in 2017 - National | Globalnews.ca

So, should there be a moratorium on possession arrests? Should court cases be delayed until the new law is enacted?
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Of course they will, eh? They need something to keep them from being suicidal during the winter while they bitch and moan because Americans took over hockey.





I'm kidding Canada! Much love!
 
Fenton said:
Dont confuse freedom with anarchy, and if I'm going to convince my neighbors to do anything it would be to abide by the Laws of the land.

Legalizing Marijuana ? What a backwards society we live in.

We've added tons of new laws and taxes Nation wide to discourage Cigarette use while simultaneously advocating for the legalization of a substance thats smoked without a filter and that causes brain damage

There's National anti-tobacco campaigns targeted for the youth of our Nation. Campaigns that ignore the substantial risk that come with Marijuana use

https://www.thetruth.com/

I emailed TheTruth.com a while back and thanked them for their good work in informing kids of the dangers of tobacco use. I also asked them why they dont warn of the dangers of smoking Marijuana

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

Marijuana and the developing brain

Those who advocate for legalization need to be a bit more thoughtful and considerate to their fellows neighbors and citizens
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Hey Fenton, how many people have ever died from overdosing on marijuana?
 
beefheart said:
Wow, do you actually read the crap you link?



He died of a self inflicted gunshot.

You continue to be 100% wrong and pure comedy gold.
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Yes, the effects of edible marijuana are comparable to the effects of hallucinogens like LSD which just happen to be illegal


Now, when was the last time someone died from a overdose of LSD and since no one has died should LSD be made legal ?
 
Fenton said:
Yes, the effects of edible marijuana are comparable to the effects of hallucinogens like LSD which just happen to be illegal


Now, when was the last time someone died from a overdose of LSD and since no one has died should LSD be made legal ?
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Cool, legalize LSD. But if someone is on a trip and breaks the law...arrest them.

As for the effects of edible marijuana being comparable to LSD? No...only in your mind.

Keep up the fight, its hilarious to watch.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Of course they will, eh? They need something to keep them from being suicidal during the winter while they bitch and moan because Americans took over hockey.





I'm kidding Canada! Much love!
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No offense taken. Hell, when it comes to hockey, the USA just has no offense to offer!
 
Fenton said:
Yes, the effects of edible marijuana are comparable to the effects of hallucinogens like LSD which just happen to be illegal


Now, when was the last time someone died from a overdose of LSD and since no one has died should LSD be made legal ?
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Why should LSD be illegal? Heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, whatever? Drugs have been illegal for about a hundred years and the only thing the prohibition has accomplished is to make millionaires and billionaires of some really nasty, fvcked-up people. Society is rewarding amoral psychopaths to a staggering degree by maintaining the prohibition. At some point you gotta say that repeating the same actions over and over and expecting a different result is the wrong route. Let's try something different.
 
Grand Mal said:
Why should LSD be illegal? Heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, whatever? Drugs have been illegal for about a hundred years and the only thing the prohibition has accomplished is to make millionaires and billionaires of some really nasty, fvcked-up people. Society is rewarding amoral psychopaths to a staggering degree by maintaining the prohibition. At some point you gotta say that repeating the same actions over and over and expecting a different result is the wrong route. Let's try something different.
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Lol.....


Oh lets not....

Heroin Epidemic Is Yielding to a Deadlier Cousin: Fentanyl - NYTimes.com
 
Grand Mal said:
It's a serious question. Why should LSD be illegal? Or any other drugs, for that matter?
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I just posted a link to a article showing just how destructive drugs are when theyre ILLEGAL

Unreal
 
Fenton said:
I just posted a link to a article showing just how destructive drugs are when theyre ILLEGAL

Unreal
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Hasn't worked at all, has it.
It's a conservative thing, isn't it, thinking that because you shouldn't do something there needs to be a law against it.
 
Fenton said:
Dont confuse freedom with anarchy, and if I'm going to convince my neighbors to do anything it would be to abide by the Laws of the land.

Legalizing Marijuana ? What a backwards society we live in.

We've added tons of new laws and taxes Nation wide to discourage Cigarette use while simultaneously advocating for the legalization of a substance thats smoked without a filter and that causes brain damage

There's National anti-tobacco campaigns targeted for the youth of our Nation. Campaigns that ignore the substantial risk that come with Marijuana use

https://www.thetruth.com/

I emailed TheTruth.com a while back and thanked them for their good work in informing kids of the dangers of tobacco use. I also asked them why they dont warn of the dangers of smoking Marijuana

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

Marijuana and the developing brain

Those who advocate for legalization need to be a bit more thoughtful and considerate to their fellows neighbors and citizens
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Should alcohol be banned again?

It causes more health issues then pot to my knowledge, is more addictive and leads to a lot of crime (fights, DUI's)
 
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