http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/38014/story.htmOTTAWA - The Canadian government, under fire for dismissing the Kyoto protocol as unworkable, will next month unveil an environmental package that focuses on improving air quality, but says little about global warming, officials and activists say.
Gill said:http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/38014/story.htm
Many European countries are admitting they are falling woefully short of Kyoto mandated CO2 emisions, and now Canada is scrapping the protocol completely.
I expect similar announcements from EU countries in the near future.
...at the international level, the system of "cap and trade" totally breaks down. Is not monitorable. It is not enforceable. Moreover, it is plagued by irreconcilable equity disputes between the industrial and developing countries......
"....I'm more worried about global warming than I am of any major military conflict."
U.N. Weapons Inspector Hans Blix March 14, 2003
I'd guess that governments around the world are going to step in and do some pretty unprecedented things.
Citizendave said:The inevitable failure of Kyoto is something I read about in a book called "Boiling Point" by Ross Gelbspan (published 2004). On page 156 of his book he writes about emissions trading (the central feature of Kyoto):
The creation of Kyoto and it's failure is (will be) an important first step along the path to fixing this enormously complicated world wide problem. We've go to give "cap and trade" a chance at implimenting a market based solution. If industry is unable to coordinate with Kyoto or Kyoto II, I'd guess that governments around the world are going to step in and do some pretty unprecedented things.
While I was paging through my copy of the book I noticed this quote:
Loki said:Kyoto was never workable. It's my understanding those signing the kyoto accord, ie. canada and europe increased greenhouse gasses by more than the us. Remarkable.
Donkey1499 said:Really? I'd like to see these "numbers"... Pretty please? :mrgreen:
Donkey1499 said:Really? I'd like to see these "numbers"... Pretty please? :mrgreen:
Oh, but it's working. It's really working. Haven't you noticed that it's noticeably cooler now than it was a couple of months ago? </sarcasm> :mrgreen:Gill said:Many European countries are admitting they are falling woefully short of Kyoto mandated CO2 emisions, and now Canada is scrapping the protocol completely.
Loki said:
Donkey1499 said:Just looks like politicians being half-assed and not doing what they were hired to do.
I'm all for cleaning up the earth to make it perdy and such; but I'll be damned if I believe this "global warming" crap. I have yet to see any hard evidence of it. Tis' just normal weather patterns that happen every 100 or so years.
Loki said:Personally, I do believe the earth's climate is heating up. We have hard data not to mention the polar caps. However, whether this is a direct result of co2 and methane emissions or increased solar output or a combination of both I couldn't say.
In regards to kyoto, it was unworkable from the first. Canada and germany have both made decision that "look" like rollbacks while china, and india are out of the mix entirely. (yes I know china signed on, sorta) Politicians are simply going to have to come up with something better than kyoto. I won't hold my breath. I'm thinking technology just might come thru, at least before the politicians.
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