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Can we talk about immigration and population migration policy?

craig

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It is easy to say barbarians are at the gate but that is not useful for developing a realistic policy. I have my ideas and will contribute.
 
Canada has no border except the US.
Not sure how that's relevant. Immigrants come to Canada from most countries via airports.

How should Canada share the migration pressure from America's southern border?
If they apply to Canada from the US, and many do, they are evaluated on the points system.
 
Not sure how that's relevant. Immigrants come to Canada from most countries via airports.


If they apply to Canada from the US, and many do, they are evaluated on the points system.
They are coming by the thousands in mass walking and in caravans. Totally different than in an airplane.
 
And so...?
Do we set up migrant camps? Should we escort them to the Canadian border? This is what is done now all the way from Honduras to America's southern border.
 
Do we set up migrant camps? Should we escort them to the Canadian border? This is what is done now all the way from Honduras to America's southern border.
So this is not a serious discussion of immigration. Adiós.
 
Sort term, without boots on the ground, nothing will work. It takes a human to turn a human away.

Long term, the only way to stop illegal immigration into a country is to raise the standard of living in the country where the migrants are coming from, or lower the standard of living in the country where they are going.
 
So this is not a serious discussion of immigration. Adiós.
It is about immigration and migration of populations. The OP. What did you think we were talking about?
 
Sort term, without boots on the ground, nothing will work. It takes a human to turn a human away.

Long term, the only way to stop illegal immigration into a country is to raise the standard of living in the country where the migrants are coming from, or lower the standard of living in the country where they are going.
Yes. Ultimately these countries need reform. I don't see that happening soon. Until then we need a policy to mitigate this problem otherwise we will have refugee camps on our border.
 
It is easy to say barbarians are at the gate but that is not useful for developing a realistic policy. I have my ideas and will contribute.
The US does not have the population growth for sustained economic growth supporting our current lifestyle, either in labor or consumers. Anyone that wants to work, pay taxes and obey the law is okay with me.
 
Yes. Ultimately these countries need reform. I don't see that happening soon. Until then we need a policy to mitigate this problem otherwise we will have refugee camps on our border.

What policy do you think will work? None have yet.
 
What policy do you think will work? None have yet.
We need a way to assimilate these people. And as a poke at "Allan" Canada should help.
 
They are coming by the thousands in mass walking and in caravans. Totally different than in an airplane.
Because they're brown?
 
All right nobody wants to talk about this. Migration of people will continue from the south to the north. There is no acceptable solution except assimilating them into our society in the best way possible. We are a big country. It will be beneficial.
 
Because they are people and in need.
All right nobody wants to talk about this. Migration of people will continue from the south to the north. There is no acceptable solution except assimilating them into our society in the best way possible. We are a big country. It will be beneficial.
 
Because they're brown?
All right nobody wants to talk about this. Migration of people will continue from the south to the north. There is no acceptable solution except assimilating them into our society in the best way possible. We are a big country. It will be beneficial.
 
It is easy to say barbarians are at the gate but that is not useful for developing a realistic policy. I have my ideas and will contribute.
I'd start by making a distinction between long term policy, and short term policy. If we are myopic, and only address a crisis on the border, then it will continue to drain our resources forever and ever.

However, if we look at the impact of our policies in South and Central America over the past 150 years, and address those mistakes with consistent policy initiatives, then eventually the crisis at the border will become less than a trickle.
 
I'd start by making a distinction between long term policy, and short term policy. If we are myopic, and only address a crisis on the border, then it will continue to drain our resources forever and ever.

However, if we look at the impact of our policies in South and Central America over the past 150 years, and address those mistakes with consistent policy initiatives, then eventually the crisis at the border will become less than a trickle.
Yes I agree but in the meantime we need a plan to resettle them into the US. There are not millions only thousands but we don't want refugee camps on our border.
 
Yes I agree but in the meantime we need a plan to resettle them into the US. There are not millions only thousands but we don't want refugee camps on our border.
And/OR a plan to repatriate them safely and securely from whence they came. And each country of origin must be dealt with differently.
First we must divide them into broad categories, because solutions for them will be different. Let's start with 5 and see where that leaves us.

1). Migrant workers who seek to make a living, often in agriculture, and are happy to return home to their families seasonally.
2). Asylum seekers who are fleeing some sort of oppression in their home country, and their lives are at risk if they return.
3). People who wish to abandon their homeland and take up residence in the US permanently.
4). Students seeking an education in the US without committing to any ideas about where they will settle for life.
5). Technical workers who are in demand in the US who we make an offer they can't refuse.

How do we address each group?
 
And/OR a plan to repatriate them safely and securely from whence they came. And each country of origin must be dealt with differently.
First we must divide them into broad categories, because solutions for them will be different. Let's start with 5 and see where that leaves us.

1). Migrant workers who seek to make a living, often in agriculture, and are happy to return home to their families seasonally.
2). Asylum seekers who are fleeing some sort of oppression in their home country, and their lives are at risk if they return.
3). People who wish to abandon their homeland and take up residence in the US permanently.
4). Students seeking an education in the US without committing to any ideas about where they will settle for life.
5). Technical workers who are in demand in the US who we make an offer they can't refuse.

How do we address each group?
That would be nice but the bureaucracy and expense required would be great. I was thinking more of families sponsored into communities. I think we have done something similar successfully.
 
That would be nice but the bureaucracy and expense required would be great. I was thinking more of families sponsored into communities. I think we have done something similar successfully.
I think that addresses numbers 1 & 2. You sound like you've put some study into this. How successfully are those immigrants usually assimilated into those communities, and into American culture overall?
As for bureaucratic expense, in the end, not addressing all the issues always winds up costing us more. Some thinking outside the box is called for.
 
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