Can we really trust the mail in vote process as it stands?

[Da Mole]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

 

[apdst]

Hell no we can't. That's the whole point. The democrats want to create a contested election. If Trump wins, they'll litigate that **** all the way to 2024.

 

[Cardinal]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

Trump's own campaign was unable to document a single instance of mail-in ballot fraud.

"President Donald Trump’s campaign, ordered by a federal court judge in Pennsylvania to back up its claims of fraud in the state’s vote-by-mail system, has documented only a handful of cases of election fraud in recent years — none of which involved mail-in ballots. The revelation, which came in the form of a partially redacted 524-page document produced by the Trump campaign last week, undermines the claim by Trump team operatives that mail-in ballot fraud is a grave risk to Pennsylvania voters."

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/20/trump-election-fraud-pennsylvania-court/

If there does end up being voter fraud, it'll be because Trump told his base to commit voter fraud yesterday.

 

[BlueTex]

Hell no we can't. That's the whole point. The democrats want to create a contested election. If Trump wins, they'll litigate that **** all the way to 2024.

Did you trust the mail in votes cast in 2016?

 

[Crosscheck]

Did you trust the mail in votes cast in 2016?

Of course we did and all previous elections but under Trump leadership in the last 4 years every government operation as taken a nose dive.

Trump has destroyed this country.

 

[Da Mole]

Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
Hell no we can't. That's the whole point. The democrats want to create a contested election. If Trump wins, they'll litigate that **** all the way to 2024.


Blue Tex reply------------Did you trust the mail in votes cast in 2016?

If 2016 was anything like 2020, absolutely not!

 

[americanwoman]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

Why do you think America is such a low rate country we can't hold a safe and secure mail in election during a national pandemic?

 

[Mycroft]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

It depends.

I trust my state's (Colorado) mail-in voting system. It's been in use for seven years. We have laws, procedures and processes in place that make it very safe, secure and convenient. And people who still want to vote in person can also do that.

I don't know what other states have done to make their laws, procedures and processes to make their state's systems safe and secure. But I suspect some states haven't done a very good job.

One thing I totally oppose is counting mail-in ballots AFTER election day. Colorado rejects any mail-in ballots that arrive after 7:30pm on election day. That is the same time the in-person polls close. If voters cannot ensure they get to the polls before they close or ensure their ballot arrives before the polls close then their votes being rejected is entirely their own fault.

The last thing I want is states taking weeks or more to count their ballots and certifying their election numbers. This sort of thing makes it too easy for a bunch of votes being "found" after election day.

 

[Da Mole]

Of course we did and all previous elections but under Trump leadership in the last 4 years every government operation as taken a nose dive.

Trump has destroyed this country.

Why are so many with the most hatred for our president lean to "undisclosed"? Are you not proud of being a democrat? Are you not proud of being a liberal or socialist. Man up and admit to what you are. Liberalism and Socialism is what will destroy this great country.

 

[BlueTex]

It depends.

I trust my state's (Colorado) mail-in voting system. It's been in use for seven years. We have laws, procedures and processes in place that make it very safe, secure and convenient. And people who still want to vote in person can also do that.

I don't know what other states have done to make their laws, procedures and processes to make their state's systems safe and secure. But I suspect some states haven't done a very good job.

One thing I totally oppose is counting mail-in ballots AFTER election day. Colorado rejects any mail-in ballots that arrive after 7:30pm on election day. That is the same time the in-person polls close. If voters cannot ensure they get to the polls before they close or ensure their ballot arrives before the polls close then their votes being rejected is entirely their own fault.

The last thing I want is states taking weeks or more to count their ballots and certifying their election numbers. This sort of thing makes it too easy for a bunch of votes being "found" after election day.

Can you name ONE state that has not had mail in votes in the last 30 years?

 

[TheParser]

IMHO, all fair-minded people agree that we are NOT set up for a nation-wide voting system.

Besides the usual fraud, the main problem will be unforeseen glitches in the system on such a massive scale and in such a short time.

Ballots, for example, will still be arriving after November 3, and some states have expressly passed laws allowing them to be counted.

If you think the Al Gore - George W. Bush election was a mess, you ain't seen nothing yet.

This election will probably end up in the Supreme Court. And, of course, some folks are NOT going to be happy with the final ruling.


*****

President Trump was right when he suggested postponing the election (as has been done in a few countries, I hear), but -- of course -- the Dems dismissed such a possibility out of hand.

*****

I know one thing: Stores on November 3 had better be boarded up. I have no doubt the mobs will take advantage of the election chaos.

Our poor country!

 

[Deuce]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

We’ve been doing it since the civil war, curious how it only turned into a problem when it threatened Donald Trump’s reelection.

 

[noonereal]

Can we really trust the mail in vote process as it stands?.

of course not

I find myself in a predicament, I asked for a mail in ballot but as I know now it won't be counted I'd like to vote in person but I can't because once you ask for a mail in, they take you off the voting registry.

 

[rickc]

I have a mail in ballot coming but I will be hand delivering it to my county voter registration office.

Trump is a crook. All those working for him are crooks. His postmaster general is.going to make sure the mail in ballots never get to their destination

 

[Mycroft]

Can you name ONE state that has not had mail in votes in the last 30 years?

sigh...

You can nitpick all you want, but this is the first year that anyone is calling for ALL mail-in voting, such as what Colorado has.

For sure, all states have had absentee ballots. That is not the same thing as all mail-in voting.

 

[apdst]

Did you trust the mail in votes cast in 2016?

No....

 

[Ikari]

This information may be available but I haven't seen it and we all need to know the answer. In reference to mail in vote counting and signature verification, do the people with this responsibility know the party affiliation (Dem or Rep) or whom that person did in fact vote for when making a decision. If any of this information is available to them can we be confident in their decission to allow the signature or throw the ballot out?

Most of this mail in conformation will take place after Nov 3 and I assume that a partial vote count will show who is in the lead. If we have to deal with the real possibility that signature verifications will be skewed by political bias then it is the number #1 reason to abolish this already flawed concept.

I can trust my state's mail-in system, but that's because Colorado isn't some retarded, ass-backwards state that can't figure out how to make a working mail-in system.

 

[Da Mole]

of course not

I find myself in a predicament, I asked for a mail in ballot but as I know now it won't be counted I'd like to vote in person but I can't because once you ask for a mail in, they take you off the voting registry.

Your situation is just more proof that mail-in voting as now configured is a disaster waiting to happen. Did you ask for mail-in or absentee? I have no real problem with legitimate absentee ballots.

 

[BlueTex]

sigh...

You can nitpick all you want, but this is the first year that anyone is calling for ALL mail-in voting, such as what Colorado has.

For sure, all states have had absentee ballots. That is not the same thing as all mail-in voting.

What is the difference between ballots mailed in and absentee ballots?

 

[Mycroft]

What is the difference between ballots mailed in and absentee ballots?

Laws, process, procedures...and volume.

 

[Mycroft]

I can trust my state's mail-in system, but that's because Colorado isn't some retarded, ass-backwards state that can't figure out how to make a working mail-in system.

Plus, Colorado has had more than seven years to get it right. Other states have had months...if they've bothered to make it right at all.

If they are counting on their absentee ballot system to handle the volume, it'll take them weeks to get a count...weeks in which people can run their fraud tactics.

 

[Ikari]

Plus, Colorado has had more than seven years to get it right. Other states have had months...if they've bothered to make it right at all.

If they are counting on their absentee ballot system to handle the volume, it'll take them weeks to get a count...weeks in which people can run their fraud tactics.

It's going to be something, though I have a hard time believing they couldn't get something put together that would work well enough in the several months they had to do it in.

After that, the rest of the States should just move to Colorado's system because there's no reason that shouldn't be the standard anyway.

 

[BlueTex]

Laws, process, procedures...and volume.

Really... Can you give some examples of laws, process, procedure that are different from mail in ballots versus an absentee ballot?

 

[Helix]

Yes, it's ok for us to vote just like the precious and Renfield did. The only people worried about it are voter suppressing Republicans.

 

[lwf]

IMHO, all fair-minded people agree that we are NOT set up for a nation-wide voting system.

Besides the usual fraud, the main problem will be unforeseen glitches in the system on such a massive scale and in such a short time.

Ballots, for example, will still be arriving after November 3, and some states have expressly passed laws allowing them to be counted.

If you think the Al Gore - George W. Bush election was a mess, you ain't seen nothing yet.

This election will probably end up in the Supreme Court. And, of course, some folks are NOT going to be happy with the final ruling.


*****

President Trump was right when he suggested postponing the election (as has been done in a few countries, I hear), but -- of course -- the Dems dismissed such a possibility out of hand.

*****

I know one thing: Stores on November 3 had better be boarded up. I have no doubt the mobs will take advantage of the election chaos.

Our poor country!

There is no evidence for any of this. Mail in ballots have always worked. Why would they suddenly stop working?