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Can we become Gods?

Parker_Chess

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This has been on my mind lately. The purpose of the after life and what God has in store for all of us who choose him. I refuse to believe God wants us stand in his feet and worship him for all eternity. What I think is more likely is that quite literally we become like God. Perhaps we become rulers of our own worlds? I feel like this teaching is hidden within Christianity and sometimes frowned upon talking about but its there as Christ's promise to us.

St. Athanasius said, "The Son of God became man so that man might become God."

LDS prophet Lorenzo Snow said, "As man now is, God once was: As God now is man may become".

John 17:21-23
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Romans 8:16-19
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

2 Peter 1:3-4
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

There are countless other verses from scripture/quotes from Saints that show God's plan to divinize his children. Why do people not talk about this? It's our greatest goal to one day be resurrected in our perfected and exalted bodies. To share in glory with Christ and reign in the heavens like Gods.
 
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In Christianity, heaven is understood as a state or place of eternal joy and fellowship with God, experienced after death by those who have faith in Jesus Christ. It's a realm where there is no more suffering, death, or pain, and where believers are reunited with God and loved ones.



Key aspects of heaven in Christian theology:
  • A place of eternal life and joy:
    Christians believe that through faith in Jesus, they are granted eternal life in heaven, a state of perfect peace, love, and rapture
 
I know it's a misconception of Mormon beliefs, but I kinda like the idea of us each getting our own planet.
 
We could have, in the Garden of Eden.
God forbade two fruits, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of everlasting life. When Adam and Eve learned about good and evil they had to be expelled from the Garden lest they get everlasting life and, according to God, "become as one of us."
Which means two things- God is plural and we lack only everlasting life to be Gods ourselves.
 

No, we can't. But some people among us think they can.
 
If we became gods we'd still struggle in vain against stupidity.
 
There are a lot of Mormon Transhumanist groups popping up in Silicon Valley. This makes sense...their worldviews line up pretty well that humans can become gods over their own worlds. Although I consider myself a techno-optimist, I'm a little leery of leaning too much into this way of thinking, because it's not clear to me that we would be good stewards of that much power or that it would even make us happy.

Parker_Chess said:
St. Athanasius said, "The Son of God became man so that man might become God."
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I think most mainstream Christian denominations don't take these quotes literally, viewing them more as a call for humans to try to perfect themselves. Most of Christendom frowns on literally trying to become a God...that's more in line with Mormons and many atheists.
 
Mankind is already capable of anything according to the Bible.

"And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." -Genesis 11:5-6

If mankind imagines themselves to be equal to God, such will not be restrained from them.
 
I'm more prone to accept that beliefs exist only during life.
 
The Tower of Babel story didn't have a happy ending, if I recall.
 

Sure. Why not? We can become anything in our imaginations and dreams.
 
Sure, technically. I'm also fairly certain that sentience evolved in a meatbag will go mad once "liberated" from flesh.
 
we become one with God- we become Godlike (christianity)
 

Yes this is the ultimate realization…..knowing that you were born with the Spirit changes everything. We are familiar with “from dust to dust thou art” but if the Spirit is within us we can more truthfully say “from God to God thou art”.

Free will was a necessity on earth but we are told in the Lord’s Prayer that God’s will is done in heaven. This is a major clue that we are reunited with God. Also think of the passage from Jeremiah that says God “will remember our sins no more”……in effect those sins never happened…….and in heaven neither will we remember our sins…..for nothing imperfect can be in heaven.

People do not talk about it because it just seems too good to be possibly true. And remember we are still thinking with our dualistic earth brain…..good and evil, right and wrong, us and them and every opposite there is. Now there are people on earth that have reached this level…..just don’t expect them to share this with others….if they are basically without ego they will remain mute….
 
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It involved a minor setback, but ever since C++, humanity has one language again.
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It seems to me that the Tower of Babel is a pretty good allegory for social media. People building technology to bring them together and accumulate evermore power without regard for the consequences, and as a result, our languages got scattered all over the earth, and now humanity is stuck in echo chambers of our own making, more lonely and atomized than ever before.

It's unclear if AI will make us gods or if it will just entrench us further into our own echo chambers. One analogy I like to use is C.S. Lewis's portrayal of hell from "The Great Divorce," where he describes it as a ghost town where everyone is constantly moving farther apart because they can't stand being around each other. Maybe that's what social media and AI are doing to us...burying each of us deeper in a personal hell of our own creation, such that we lose our humanity and our ability to communicate with one another.
 

It seems to me that towers in general were a good idea. That particular tower was sabotaged by a bad actor, but other towers continued to be built taller and taller for thousands of years after.

Every time humanity has a setback, the luddites are like "oh the Titanic sank as punishment for human hubris attempting to usurp the gods by building a boat so large!"

But Icon of the Seas is over 5 times the size of the Titanic and is doing just fine. The lessons we learn are never to stop building towers. The lessons we learn are how to build them even taller next time.
 
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Every time humanity has a setback, the luddites are like "oh the Titanic sank as punishment for human hubris attempting to usurp the gods by building a boat so large!"
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Strictly speaking, those 1500+ were drowned because someone said "Not even God himself could sink this ship." Very fragile ego, probably comes from having no friends growing up. But obviously still a very measured and reasonable reaction in the circumstances. It hurt his feelings after all
 
To be a god, one must have a material body, what kind of god would you be without a material body? So, you can't become a god by getting to Heaven, though you might think yourself one, Heaven is pretty fine.

We have a poor idea of what is a god.

All the brotherhood were human. Gabriel, Meru, Tabor, Oo, Liberty, Nada, Hercules, so many others, and they are gods.

Jesus is at least a god.

No, I have problems, people get around me, and that's exactly where they want to go, free ride, no work, shotgun, immortal slave.
 
Very close. It was after man gained knowledge of good and evil that God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil. God then removed the Tree of Life so that man could not live forever. We are, then, mortal Gods. Man did not fall from the Garden, he rose from it
 
Jesus is God in the flesh in a risen and exalted state. God the Father himself is immaterial and invisible. He's a higher dimensional being and we're ants compared to him. The glory we receive would still be attached to our physical bodies and still in accordance with the invisible God. However, we can commune with Jesus directly face to face.
 
You can, but I would suck him dry.
 

This is very good. Without the knowledge of evil there can be no appreciation for good. The rise from the Garden is intended to be an evolution. It is an inner evolution that recognizes the gravity of gravity…..gravity being that which pulls one back to earth and eventually the grave. The conspirators of gravity are the bright lights of desires which leads to the attachment of addictions. Thus your evolution from this is the acquisition of true freedom…..and with it comes truth. The story of the Prodigal Son is the Bible’s example of one such evolution..
 
….btw…the trap of the Garden was ignorance…THE ignorance of bliss….
 
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