Can trump do it again?

[TU Curmudgeon]

Lol i wish they were social democrat and the democratic socialists were shunted in favor of more center left. Trump is a fascist because that is his ideology and runs a very similar playbook.

Mr. Trump is NOT a "fascist", he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to be one and he also doesn't know what one is.

Admittedly Mr. Trump DOES USE the tactics and techniques that successful fascist leaders have used in the past, but just because I can dribble a basketball that doesn't make me Kareem Abdul Jabar.

Democrats didnt put up anyone even running on abolishing private healthcare.

Did you know that almost every country that has a "Universal Healthcare Insurance" program ALSO has "private healthcare" (generally "for-profit private healthcare") as well as "state supplied hospitals"?

Someone doesnt know what a socialist is

That would be approximately 100% of all "Republicans" (whatever that means) and approximately 80% of all "Democrats" (whatever that means).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If hes much further right than Biden then he cant be a center-left liberal. Boy you are bad at this.

He could be thought of "center-left liberal" as long as you consider Mr. Biden to be a raving, loonie, extremist, far-left, doctrinaire, devotee of Pol Pot.

 

[TheParser]

No (sob!), he cannot do it again.

Last time, he barely won in several states.

During this perfectly horrible year, many young Euro Americans have bought into the BLM talking points, sadly.

And the Dems have scared many people when it comes to health care.

He was a true outlier.

On January 20, we return to the usual routine of hypocrites saying all the right things to make everyone feel good.

 

[Rhakron90]

You HAVE to be kidding (or else using ONLY the US political spectrum [and even then you are wrong]).

If you divide the world's political spectrum into seven general categories "Far Left", "Left", "Left Center", "Center", "Right Center". "Right", and "Far Right" then divide each of those categories into " - ", "neutral", and "+" so that your scale now runs from "Far Far Left -" [equalling 1] to "Far Far Right +" [equalling 21]. For simplicity, think of the divisions as

1. “Far Left” (1, 2, &3),
2. “Left” (4, 5, & 6),
3. “Left Center” (7, 8, & 9),
4. “Center” (10, 11, & 12),
5. “Right Center” (13, 14, & 15),
6. “Right” (16, 17, & 18) and
7. “Far Right” (19, 20, & 21).

When you use that scale then:

• Canada’s “New Democratic Party” probably comes in around an “8” or “9” (sort of “[Moderate to Conservative] Left Center”); and
• Canada’s “Liberal Party” probably comes in around an “11” or “12” (sort of “[Center to Conservative] Center”); and
• the "Libertarians" probably coming in around "12" to "13" (on the "Center" - "Right Right" border); and
• Canada’s “Conservative Party” probably comes in around a “13” or “14” (sort of “[Progressive to Moderate] Right Center”); and
• the Democrats probably come in around "14" to "15" (sort of “[Moderate to Conservative] Right Center"); and
• the Republicans probably come in around "16" to "17" (sort of “[Progressive to Center] Right"); and with
• the T.E.A. Party probably coming in around "17" to "18" (sort of “[Center to Conservative] Right".

The vast majority of world politics is probably in the "7" ("Progressive Center Left") to "15" ("Conservative Center Right) range.

[NOTE – “Kleptocracies” and “One-Man-Band” governments don’t really have “politics” as we generally consider them to be.]

To the contrary, I'm using the overall historical scale. In comparison to truly "traditional" societies, as existed in Europe up until about one hundred years ago, and still exist in places such as the Middle East, Africa, and various parts of Asia, or the "modernist" successors to these more authoritarian societies, as represented by 1930s Fascists, the Republican Party still falls squarely under the auspices of the political "Center Left," as defined by the French Revolution. All "Liberal Democrats" do. Its an intrinsically "Center Left" ideology.

American Republicans only look super Right Wing if you zoom the "Overton Window" to just Western Europe and the Anglosphere. However, they shift further to the Left once again if you zoom the window in further to just American politics.

Either way, Trump is no where remotely near the "Right Wing extremist" Leftists paint him out to be. In many regards, both social and economic, he's actually more moderate than either Bush or Reagan.

He's more like Nixon, actually. He's not a "Free Marketeer" fanatic. He just does whatever he thinks will work at any particular moment at time. If that involves deregulation and tax cuts, "so be it." If it involves quantitative easing, and other aspects of Keynesian economics, also "so be it."

Actually it isn't all that unusual in current American politics and it never really was all that unusual in American politics. It's just that Mr. Trump has more followers than previous practitioners of dissonance, discord, and diatribe.

Having a President spend basically his entire first term locked in "mortal combat" with the media establishment, slogging mud right back at his critics, is somewhat unusual in American politics.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And just whom, exactly, is not "alright?"

Objectively, almost literally everyone in the United States is making more money, and enjoying a higher standard of living, under Trump, than they were Obama. Or... At least they were, right up until the Chinese sent COVID our way, and threw a giant spanner in the workings of the global economy.

Right, "The Old Chinese Germ Warfare Ploy".

Frankly, even so, this isn't exactly 2008. There's nothing structurally wrong with the economy. A large portion of it has simply been shut down by government mandate. As those mandates go away, the economy will roar to life once more.

Optimism is always a good thing to have.

It's already begun, actually. The US economy experienced a record 33% GDP growth this last quarter.

You are absolutely correct.

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Of course you sort of overlook these facts (positing Q4 2019 = 100)

1. Q1 2020 (acr) = 95
   
   
2. Q2 2020 (act) = 66.12
   
   
3. Q3 2020 (est) = 88.01

which means that the US GDP is DOWN 11.99% from Q4 2019 (and that is assuming that the ESTIMATE is anything other than a bloated figure handed out for partisan electoral purposes three days prior to the election [and mainly intended for those who both believe anything that "Team Trump" says and aren't able to think for themselves]).

Sorry... But I don't see any reason why I should give that up just because some hysterical Neo-Marxist pissants, and the gaggle of "useful idiots" who blindly follow behind them, are laboring under the irrational delusion that literally everything under the sun is "Racist" and/or "Fascist" so long as someone with a face they dislike is in charge.

Indeed, that IS the latest version of the currently operative, officially sanctioned, "Team Trump" approved, White House issued, truth-of-the-day that all patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots have been told they have to parrot incessantly.

Measures should be taken to limit COVID, within reason. However, I don't see any reason to literally destroy our economy with never-ending lockdowns over a pathogen with a 2% mortality rate (and possibly far less, given how many people tend to be asymptomatic, and therefore are never tested).

Yep, it's sooooooo much less dangerous than the "Spanish Flu" isn't it?

and no one should interfere with your constitutional right to get a tattoo or attend any World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties.

After a certain point, the truly vulnerable are just going to have to stay home, and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Indeed, let those old folks lock themselves up and die out of sight so that they don't disturb the "Real People".

Over what time frame? We're not even at 250,000 deaths at present, which would still be only half of the total number of people who die of heart attacks each and every year.

Did you know that you cannot "catch" a heart attack?

BTW, the projected "One Year Death Total" for COVID-19 (as of today's data) is a mere 350,310.

There's also supposed to be a vaccine here sometime in the next few months.

Actually, if you believe Mr. Trump, there should be an announcement that the vaccine has been developed, tested, certified as safe and effective, and is ready to be distributed free of charge to all Americans someplace between now and 2359 MON 02 NOV 20.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

To the contrary, I'm using the overall historical scale. In comparison to truly "traditional" societies, as existed in Europe up until about one hundred years ago, and still exist in places such as the Middle East, Africa, and various parts of Asia, or the "modernist" successors to these more authoritarian societies, as represented by 1930s Fascists, the Republican Party still falls squarely under the auspices of the political "Center Left," as defined by the French Revolution. All "Liberal Democrats" do. Its an intrinsically "Center Left" ideology.

American Republicans only look super Right Wing if you zoom the "Overton Window" to just Western Europe and the Anglosphere. However, they shift further to the Left once again if you zoom the window in further to just American politics.

Either way, Trump is no where remotely near the "Right Wing extremist" Leftists paint him out to be. In many regards, both social and economic, he's actually more moderate than either Bush or Reagan.

He's more like Nixon, actually. He's not a "Free Marketeer" fanatic. He just does whatever he thinks will work at any particular moment at time. If that involves deregulation and tax cuts, "so be it." If it involves quantitative easing, and other aspects of Keynesian economics, also "so be it."



Having a President spend basically his entire first term locked in "mortal combat" with the media establishment, slogging mud right back at his critics, is somewhat unusual in American politics.

I will grant you that Mr. Trump looks quite "left-wing" if you compare his government to that of the Roman, Byzantine, or Chinese Empires.

In respect of the modern world, Mr. Trump looks exactly like what I said "Right-Wing".

 

[Rhakron90]

Right, "The Old Chinese Germ Warfare Ploy".

While I certainly wouldn't put that kind of thing past the masterminds behind such proposals as the "Social Credit System," that is not necessarily what I was implying.

As a matter of objective fact, COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan Province of China, and spread outwards from there... Usually with Chinese immigrant workers, visiting their families for Chinese New Year celebrations.

You are absolutely correct.

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Of course you sort of overlook these facts (positing Q4 2019 = 100)

1. Q1 2020 (acr) = 95
   
   
2. Q2 2020 (act) = 66.12
   
   
3. Q3 2020 (est) = 88.0

I didn't say the recession was over. Obviously, some states are still under lockdown, and a lot of people are staying home out of fear of the virus. Both of those are going to depress economic activity, to at least some degree, for at least the time being.

Frankly, even if none of that was true inside of the US, its still true of many of our greatest trade partners, which means reduced international economic activity.

I simply pointed out that the signs we're currently seeing in the economy point to an optimistic post-pandemic outcome.

Indeed, that IS the latest version of the currently operative, officially sanctioned, "Team Trump" approved, White House issued, truth-of-the-day that all patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots have been told they have to parrot incessantly.

Ya know... You didn't actually answer my question.

Whom, exactly, is suffering sooooo horribly under Trump's Administration that I should feel morally compelled to sacrifice my own livelihood, or the livelihood of family, over it?

Yep, it's sooooooo much less dangerous than the "Spanish Flu" isn't it?

Spanish Flu killed the young and healthy.

COVID overwhelmingly only kills people who have a "foot in the grave" already.

Indeed, let those old folks lock themselves up and die out of sight so that they don't disturb the "Real People".

"Needs of the many," my friend.

Worse comes to worse, I'm more concerned with being able to provide for my 6 year old, and 1 month old, daughters, than I am with some geriatric's peace of mind. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.

Actually, if you believe Mr. Trump, there should be an announcement that the vaccine has been developed, tested, certified as safe and effective, and is ready to be distributed free of charge to all Americans someplace between now and 2359 MON 02 NOV 20.

Cool.

 

[Rhakron90]

I will grant you that Mr. Trump looks quite "left-wing" if you compare his government to that of the Roman, Byzantine, or Chinese Empires.

In respect of the modern world, Mr. Trump looks exactly like what I said "Right-Wing".

Or, ya know... Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Poland, Singapore, etca, etca. Try to be less "Eurocentric," please.

Again, basically by definition, advocates of "Liberal Democracy" are "Center Left," or "Centrist."

 

[goldkam]

The worst you can really say about Trump is that he leans into "strong man politics" and has something of a "cult of personality."

I don't believe this is a matter of labeling these characteristics as positive, negative, good or bad. It's a matter of observing the characteristics and linking this to consistent behaviors or actions that constitutes fascism.

I do agree that there has been the development of a 'cult of personality' as well.

Hell! Obama had a "cult of personality" easily twice as rabid as Trump's, and his policies were a Hell of a lot closer to the real "Economic Fascism" that was practiced in the 1930s than anything Trump has proposed (which should hardly be surprising, as Obama was trying to copy FDR, who was, in turn, heavily inspired by the economic policies of Mussolini). I still wouldn't argue he was even close to being a "fascist," however.

I disagree with that completely. A cult of personality is embraced through the utilization of propaganda and this well-rehearsed 'lie'. There is not evidence to suggest such with Obama. You are failing to draw the line between progressive policies in a democracy and progressive (and in many cases Utopian) policies in a fascist dictatorship.

As far as isolationism and "America First" goes, Nationalism is not intrinsically "Fascist." Nationalism was a Liberal idea centuries before "Fascism" was even a twinkle in Mussolini's eye.

Once again you have morphed completely separate ideas into one. Isolationism and Nationalism are separate ideas. Nationalism alone is not fascist. Isolationism alone is not fascist. When you combine the two with the leadership principle and embark on the rhetoric that Trump has it begins to demonstrate a consistent theme of 'Volkgemeinscahtft'.

This is one of those things the Left likes to repeat over and over. I don't really see it as having much basis in reality, however.

So you believe this debate should be more politically driven (ie. the left said this, the right did this) than factually driven (ie. observe behaviors and actions and make conclusions based upon this).

The worst Trump has done is aggressively "clap back" at some Left Wing women who attacked him in an equally aggressive manner. I don't view that as treating women as being in "second place," because he has exactly the same response, if not worse, to men who cross him as well.

If you are actually that blinded by Trump, it clearly indicates you are buying his 'Propaganda'.

Here are some examples of treating woman disgustingly (just imagine if President Obama had of said these kinds of things you would have lost your mind and wanted him to leave office):

- "When you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the White House, I guess it just didn’t work out. Good work by General Kelly for quickly firing that dog!"
- "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her."
- ‘If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say “Rosie, you’re fired.”
- ‘Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.’

Is this acceptable behavior?

 

[zimmer]

I hope he does...mainly so that I can enjoy liberals having meltdowns, it would be great fun!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...continue_to_be_signs_that_trump_will_win.html

The sad part is...

...Leftists have evolved from crying, curling up in the corners of their safe spaces, consuming vast quantities of hot cacao and molesting cuddle dogs... to vandalizing, looting and torching cities.

That’s what their party and the Goebbels Media have done to their minds... seriously brain ****ed them to a goo...

... and even worse... those not partaking in these Kristallnacht type crimes... either condone it... or are silent about it...

and we’ve seen where this leads if not stamped out.

I enjoy the meltdowns too... but the Left has evolved waaaaaaay past mere meltdowns.

 

[Big Eye]

The sad part is...

...Leftists have evolved from crying, curling up in the corners of their safe spaces, consuming vast quantities of hot cacao and molesting cuddle dogs... to vandalizing, looting and torching cities.

That’s what their party and the Goebbels Media have done to their minds... seriously brain ****ed them to a goo...

... and even worse... those not partaking in these Kristallnacht type crimes... either condone it... or are silent about it...

and we’ve seen where this leads if not stamped out.

I enjoy the meltdowns too... but the Left has evolved waaaaaaay past mere meltdowns.

The hard left are scum, they’ve done untold damage around the world...their whole game centres around creating division and envy through identity politics. The liberal (weaker, softer) left are naive ****s for buying into it. There is no excuse for being a leftist beyond hatred , envy or naivety...it’s as simple as that.

In the past the left worked against the establishment...now it has completely infiltrated the West’s establishment...that’s why people perceive that their states do not work for their benefit...and their perception is correct. If Biden wins America will pay a terrible price.

 

[Big Eye]

One of the reasons I believe Trump will win is that he’s leaching the leftists out into the open, exposing the scum to public scrutiny, and I can’t see the majority liking what they see. Trump’s agitation of the leftist filth is doing the US a great favour!

 

[gboisjo]

One of the reasons I believe Trump will win is that he’s leaching the leftists out into the open, exposing the scum to public scrutiny, and I can’t see the majority liking what they see. Trump’s agitation of the leftist filth is doing the US a great favour!

Wow, your one of those highly agitated far right hate mongers ..filth, scum those are choice words. Will you be one of those people who riot with guns
if Trump loses in a close election, my guess is you will.

 

[Big Eye]

Wow, your one of those highly agitated far right hate mongers ..filth, scum those are choice words. Will you be one of those people who riot with guns
if Trump loses in a close election, my guess is you will.

I’m in the U.K. so I’d get arrested running around with guns lol...

...but I really do have a low view of those that get sucked into leftist dogma.

 

[gboisjo]

zimmer said:
The sad part is...

...Leftists have evolved from crying, curling up in the corners of their safe spaces, consuming vast quantities of hot cacao and molesting cuddle dogs... to vandalizing, looting and torching cities.

That’s what their party and the Goebbels Media have done to their minds... seriously brain ****ed them to a goo...

... and even worse... those not partaking in these Kristallnacht type crimes... either condone it... or are silent about it...

and we’ve seen where this leads if not stamped out.

I enjoy the meltdowns too... but the Left has evolved waaaaaaay past mere meltdowns.

The hard left are scum, they’ve done untold damage around the world...their whole game centres around creating division and envy through identity politics. The liberal (weaker, softer) left are naive ****s for buying into it. There is no excuse for being a leftist beyond hatred , envy or naivety...it’s as simple as that.

In the past the left worked against the establishment...now it has completely infiltrated the West’s establishment...that’s why people perceive that their states do not work for their benefit...and their perception is correct. If Biden wins America will pay a terrible price.

"I don’t take responsibility at all,” said President Donald Trump ..those words will probably end up as the epitaph of his presidency, the single sentence that sums it all up.

The loss of stockpiled respirators to breakage because the federal government let maintenance contracts lapse in 2018 is Trump’s fault. The failure to store sufficient protective medical gear in the national arsenal is Trump’s fault. That states would be bidding against other states for equipment, paying many multiples of the precrisis price for ventilators, is Trump’s fault. Ten weeks of insisting that the coronavirus is a harmless flu that would miraculously go away on its own. Trump’s fault.

The man boy is not suited for the presidency, shady, shyster real estate mogul, yes.

 

[surfguy74]

I'm putting my money that the Trafalgar Polls will win Election Day again and Trump will be reelected

 

[gboisjo]

I’m in the U.K. so I’d get arrested running around with guns lol...

...but I really do have a low view of those that get sucked into leftist dogma.

"I’m in the U.K. so I’d get arrested running around with guns lol..."

That's a plus for your country, not the same here ..the homicide rate in the US is off the charts. 20 or 30 people die
everyday in Chicago alone due to gun violence. It has everything to do with far right gun lovers who cling to the 2nd
amendment like babies who can't let go of the nipple. Massacres don't even make it to the front page anymore.

 

[Big Eye]

"I’m in the U.K. so I’d get arrested running around with guns lol..."

That's a plus for your country, not the same here ..the homicide rate in the US is off the charts. 20 or 30 people die
everyday in Chicago alone due to gun violence. It has everything to do with far right gun lovers who cling to the 2nd
amendment like babies who can't let go of the nipple. Massacres don't even make it to the front page anymore.

People still find ways of killing each other over here..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

 

[Big Eye]

...and over there...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

 

[charliebrown]

Boarded-Up Windows and Increased Security: Retailers Brace for the Election (Published 2020)

Stores are making plans for how to deal with potential civil unrest stemming from Tuesday’s election.

www.nytimes.com

Looks like the Biden Strongholds are more worried about a dissatisfied electorate than republican strongholds.

 

[iliveonramen]

Negative to Trump doing it again. 2016 was a perfect storm from a Dem with very high negatives to Trump being an unknown to “EMAILS!!!”.
Trump is now running on his record against a very liked Dem candidate and the 2016 playbook of last minute emails is a dud.

Even with all those factors in 2016 Trump squeaked by on a historically close election to win the electoral vote.

I understand Dems being gun shy from 2016 but it’s not 2016. Maybe trump wins some states within the margin of error but he’d have to do that and then some to win again.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

While I certainly wouldn't put that kind of thing past the masterminds behind such proposals as the "Social Credit System," that is not necessarily what I was implying.

As a matter of objective fact, COVID-19 originated in the Wuhan Province of China, and spread outwards from there... Usually with Chinese immigrant workers, visiting their families for Chinese New Year celebrations.

Indeed, and as a matter of objective fact, the "Spanish Flu" originated in the United States of America and spread outwards from there.

So your point is - what?

I didn't say the recession was over. Obviously, some states are still under lockdown, and a lot of people are staying home out of fear of the virus. Both of those are going to depress economic activity, to at least some degree, for at least the time being.

While it is true that you didn't specifically state "The recession is over.", you did sort of imply that Mr. Trump had worked some sort of economic miracle and increased America's GDP by around one third in only one quarter.

Frankly, even if none of that was true inside of the US, its still true of many of our greatest trade partners, which means reduced international economic activity.

Possibly you could provide something that I might be persuaded to confuse with data showing the relative effects of COVID-19 on the countries in this table

I simply pointed out that the signs we're currently seeing in the economy point to an optimistic post-pandemic outcome.

Of course the signs point to an optimistic post-pandemic outcome. They will point that way no matter who wins the election on Tuesday. What matters is what happens AFTER Tuesday. Does the US indulge in more of the same internal bickering and refusal to face facts or do the people of the US suddenly start acting like adults and buckle down to do what is necessary in order to defeat COVID-19 regardless of whether they like what they have to do to achieve that end and regardless of whether doing that interferes with their constitutional rights to get tattooed or attend World Championship All Star Dancing with Apprentice Survivors of the Great American Monster Truck and Tractor Demolition Derby BBQ and Beer Celebration parties.

Ya know... You didn't actually answer my question.

Whom, exactly, is suffering sooooo horribly under Trump's Administration that I should feel morally compelled to sacrifice my own livelihood, or the livelihood of family, over it?

The families of the 236,101 dead - for starters.

Spanish Flu killed the young and healthy.

COVID overwhelmingly only kills people who have a "foot in the grave" already.

"Needs of the many," my friend.

Right, tell that to your parents and/or grandparents.

Worse comes to worse, I'm more concerned with being able to provide for my 6 year old, and 1 month old, daughters, than I am with some geriatric's peace of mind. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.

You should be concerned with doing both.

Obviously you consider anyone over 65 to be "disposable".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Or, ya know... Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Poland, Singapore, etca, etca. Try to be less "Eurocentric," please.

You appear to be having difficulty understanding what "left-wing" and "right-wing" actually mean.

You do not make that definition by lining all 200+ countries of the world up and dividing them so that half are "on the left" and half are "on the right" as you appear to want to do. What you do is look at the political ideologies of the actual political parties REGARDLESS of whether or not they are in power and then assign the appropriate categories to the political parties.

BOTH "The MORE Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Republican Party’)" and "The LESS Reactionary Wing of the American Oligarchic Capitalist Party (DBA ‘The Democratic Party’)" have political ideologies that are "right of center".

Again, basically by definition, advocates of "Liberal Democracy" are "Center Left," or "Centrist."

FIRST - While both the "Republicans" (whatever that means) and the "Democrats" (whatever that means) SAY that they advocate "Liberal Democracy" NEITHER of them will back "free, fair, open, and honest elections" if doing so means that their chance of winning an election is decreased.

SECOND - There is more to being "Center Left" or "Center" than just one factor and on all of those other factors the "Democrats" (whatever that means) fall on "the right" and the "Republicans" (whatever that means) fall even further on the right.

THIRD - You might not have noticed it, but the current campaign platform for the "Republicans" (whatever that means) - when analyzed closely and sifted for semantic meanings - works out to "Whatever the last thing that -The Leader- Donald Trump says is just fine by us (don't bother us with whether or not he said something completely the opposite yesterday).". That is a sure sign of being as far away from "The Center" as you can get.

 

[Ethel2]

Negative to Trump doing it again. 2016 was a perfect storm from a Dem with very high negatives to Trump being an unknown to “EMAILS!!!”.
Trump is now running on his record against a very liked Dem candidate and the 2016 playbook of last minute emails is a dud.

Even with all those factors in 2016 Trump squeaked by on a historically close election to win the electoral vote.

I understand Dems being gun shy from 2016 but it’s not 2016. Maybe trump wins some states within the margin of error but he’d have to do that and then some to win again.

He has a small chance of beating Biden, maybe 1/6 or 1/10, Until its zero I will not be happy because if somehow he is re-elected it would subject this country to another four years of lying, bigotry, and another reality. It would be an awful statement about the electorate. I can't even imagine how many more people would pay for his election with their lives. I would be totally disgusted with this country if they allow the jackass four more years. That said, I am, as Fauci has said about the prospects of a vaccine, cautiously optimistic that the jackass will get the boot on Tuesday-along with those who have enabled his disgusting behavior.

 

[Rhakron90]

I disagree with that completely. A cult of personality is embraced through the utilization of propaganda and this well-rehearsed 'lie'. There is not evidence to suggest such with Obama. You are failing to draw the line between progressive policies in a democracy and progressive (and in many cases Utopian) policies in a fascist dictatorship.

...

As a matter of objective fact, Obama had a strong "Cult of Personality."

I still remember seeing all this cringey garbage on social media feeds, and packing bookstore shelves.

Frankly, Obama's "cult of personality" was quite a bit more troubling than Trump's... Because it's primary adherents appeared to be the very media who were *supposed* to be holding him accountable for his actions.

Once again you have morphed completely separate ideas into one. Isolationism and Nationalism are separate ideas. Nationalism alone is not fascist. Isolationism alone is not fascist. When you combine the two with the leadership principle and embark on the rhetoric that Trump has it begins to demonstrate a consistent theme of 'Volkgemeinscahtft'.

You keep using that word... Because I assume you think the German makes it "scary."

You're aware that even it isn't intrinsically "Fascist," correct? Its from the German Empire, and is older than even WW1.

Frankly, I fail to see how Trump appeals to "National Purpose" more than any other President in recent memory.

So you believe this debate should be more politically driven (ie. the left said this, the right did this) than factually driven (ie. observe behaviors and actions and make conclusions based upon this).

As a matter of "fact," the Left has gone after Trump just as vehemently and aggressively, as he has gone after them.

If you are actually that blinded by Trump, it clearly indicates you are buying his 'Propaganda'.

Here are some examples of treating woman disgustingly (just imagine if President Obama had of said these kinds of things you would have lost your mind and wanted him to leave office):

- "When you give a crazed, crying lowlife a break, and give her a job at the White House, I guess it just didn’t work out. Good work by General Kelly for quickly firing that dog!"
- "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her."
- ‘If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say “Rosie, you’re fired.”
- ‘Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.’

Is this acceptable behavior?

It's far from ideal, but it also simply the reality of the world we live in at the present moment. Again... The Left goes after every bit as hard as he does after them, if not worse in many cases.

In fact, the Left goes not only after Trump, but his family, on a regular basis. They went after Bush, Romney, and McCain in much the same way. Trump is only really different in that he actually claps back, instead of simply sitting there and taking it.

Also, as I stated previously, Trump goes after both male and female opponents with equal vigor, and has numerous remarkably strong women within his administration. I still see no objective evidence of women being treated as "second class" citizens here.