Can true Republicans save their party from the radical right?

[disneydude]

This is not an anti-Republican post, it is an inquiry about whether true Republicans can save their party from the radical right by 2008.

There is no denying that the radical right has been very successful during the last 8 years. They have a powerful lobby that helped get their man Bush in the top office in the US. They have also been successful in getting a number of people elected to Congress as well. In fact, I would argue that they successful hijacked the Republican party from the majority of its members.


However, with the recent fall of Ralph Reed (the radical rights poster child) and the large numbers of corruption among radical right "Republicans" over the last few years, it appears to me that the radical right is being exposed for their hypocrisy.

The current favorites for the GOP presidential nod are McCain and Guilliani, both of which are disfavored by the radical right. The radical right favorites are way down the list in current polling.

Now I know that the 2008 election is a long way off and a lot of things can change....but the question I have is this: Does the radical right have enough influence at this time to continue their control of the GOP or will the moderate majority of the GOP regain control of the party.

I am somewhat torn on what I would personally like to see happen. Because I primarily vote Democrat I would love to see the radical right continue their control because I think it would make it easier for Democratic candidates to win. However, I have voted for moderate Republicans in the past (state races) and would prefer more moderate politics from the GOP.

 

[Vader]

This is not an anti-Republican post, it is an inquiry about whether true Republicans can save their party from the radical right by 2008.

There is no denying that the radical right has been very successful during the last 8 years. They have a powerful lobby that helped get their man Bush in the top office in the US. They have also been successful in getting a number of people elected to Congress as well. In fact, I would argue that they successful hijacked the Republican party from the majority of its members.


However, with the recent fall of Ralph Reed (the radical rights poster child) and the large numbers of corruption among radical right "Republicans" over the last few years, it appears to me that the radical right is being exposed for their hypocrisy.

The current favorites for the GOP presidential nod are McCain and Guilliani, both of which are disfavored by the radical right. The radical right favorites are way down the list in current polling.

Now I know that the 2008 election is a long way off and a lot of things can change....but the question I have is this: Does the radical right have enough influence at this time to continue their control of the GOP or will the moderate majority of the GOP regain control of the party.

I am somewhat torn on what I would personally like to see happen. Because I primarily vote Democrat I would love to see the radical right continue their control because I think it would make it easier for Democratic candidates to win. However, I have voted for moderate Republicans in the past (state races) and would prefer more moderate politics from the GOP.

I agree with you about the radical right. In order to fix the republican party before 2008 the GOP needs to expell a number of people; including, but not limited to, Dick Cheney, GWB, GHWB, Jeb Bush, Bill Owens, Sonny Purdue, and Rick Perry. Once this collection of nazi asshats is delt with then some of the more centerist republicans can take office.

In addition to this, we must seek to remove the radical right's influence in both the house and the senate. Then centerists can begin to strike down some of the uneeded laws that have been created by the far right. In retrospect, these laws generally serve no purpose other then to prevent the far right, and thier special interest buddies like Halliburton, from being punished for the numerous crimes the have committed.

Once this has been accomplished we can then address more serious issue that face Americans; such as the repeal or replacement of the current domestic violence law. This law does not need to go back indefinately and its influence needs to expire after a certain amount of time.

:2razz:

 

[Iriemon]

This is not an anti-Republican post, it is an inquiry about whether true Republicans can save their party from the radical right by 2008.

There is no denying that the radical right has been very successful during the last 8 years. They have a powerful lobby that helped get their man Bush in the top office in the US. They have also been successful in getting a number of people elected to Congress as well. In fact, I would argue that they successful hijacked the Republican party from the majority of its members.


However, with the recent fall of Ralph Reed (the radical rights poster child) and the large numbers of corruption among radical right "Republicans" over the last few years, it appears to me that the radical right is being exposed for their hypocrisy.

The current favorites for the GOP presidential nod are McCain and Guilliani, both of which are disfavored by the radical right. The radical right favorites are way down the list in current polling.

Now I know that the 2008 election is a long way off and a lot of things can change....but the question I have is this: Does the radical right have enough influence at this time to continue their control of the GOP or will the moderate majority of the GOP regain control of the party.

I am somewhat torn on what I would personally like to see happen. Because I primarily vote Democrat I would love to see the radical right continue their control because I think it would make it easier for Democratic candidates to win. However, I have voted for moderate Republicans in the past (state races) and would prefer more moderate politics from the GOP.

I haven't really heard of many moderate Republicans lately. The Republican party for years has not be moderate; it is a loose coalition between the pro-big business pro-rich faction and the religous right. The pro-rich group tolerates the religious group to maintain power. They can easily get around whatever social reforms the pro-religious group does, they can fly to Canada to get an abortion for example. The pro-religious group tolerates the pro-rich faction as long as they give them their political due on social issues, even tho' the pro-rich policies hurt the economic well being of many or most of the religious group members.

Both sides fear the general Democratic platform, though for different reasons.

I see know reason to expect a fundamental shift in Republican politics, barring a radical power shift in the elections.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

I see it more as Big Business is in bed w/the Rad-Right.

i.e If the R-R does not allow big business to make large profits/have Tax
breaks/exploite people/keep Loop holes, etc... (via Gov't) they would quickly
part ways.

And Big business is in control not the R-R. So you should worry more about
those greedy business men that are running America in to the ground.

But either way the GOP and DNC are not worth saving!
They're corrupt and obsolete.

 

[hipsterdufus]

This is not an anti-Republican post, it is an inquiry about whether true Republicans can save their party from the radical right by 2008.

There is no denying that the radical right has been very successful during the last 8 years. They have a powerful lobby that helped get their man Bush in the top office in the US. They have also been successful in getting a number of people elected to Congress as well. In fact, I would argue that they successful hijacked the Republican party from the majority of its members.


However, with the recent fall of Ralph Reed (the radical rights poster child) and the large numbers of corruption among radical right "Republicans" over the last few years, it appears to me that the radical right is being exposed for their hypocrisy.

The current favorites for the GOP presidential nod are McCain and Guilliani, both of which are disfavored by the radical right. The radical right favorites are way down the list in current polling.

Now I know that the 2008 election is a long way off and a lot of things can change....but the question I have is this: Does the radical right have enough influence at this time to continue their control of the GOP or will the moderate majority of the GOP regain control of the party.

I am somewhat torn on what I would personally like to see happen. Because I primarily vote Democrat I would love to see the radical right continue their control because I think it would make it easier for Democratic candidates to win. However, I have voted for moderate Republicans in the past (state races) and would prefer more moderate politics from the GOP.

Great topic. John Dean's new book is a must read on the subject. He talks at length about how Barry Goldwater feared the takover of the GOP by the religious right.

Goldwater's main concern, which we see so much today, is that there is no compromise with the religious right, but compromise is essential for good governing.

Personally, I would love to see the GOP take their party back. The more qualified people to vote for the better, regardless of party.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Hipster knows Goldwater?... You are truely a man after my own heart...

 

[hipsterdufus]

Hipster knows Goldwater?... You are truely a man after my own heart...

Yeah, me an "Bare" (he let me call him Bare) go way back.

I find it odd to long for the days of the Goldwater Republicans, but I miss them terribly!

 

[scottyz]

No. I never thought McCain would succumb to them and he did. I think if you want any part in the GOP if you have to answer to the radical right.

 

[Stinger]

:rofl

You guys are hilarious. You'd better be worrying about your own party being taken over by the radical leftist. Even Lieberman is being tossed aside. You have no plans, no proposals and are weak on our national security. Best you spend your time figuring out what you are going to do rather than waste it on worrying about what the Republicans are going to do.

 

[hipsterdufus]

:rofl

You guys are hilarious. You'd better be worrying about your own party being taken over by the radical leftist. Even Lieberman is being tossed aside. You have no plans, no proposals and are weak on our national security. Best you spend your time figuring out what you are going to do rather than waste it on worrying about what the Republicans are going to do.

How about putting Country before Party for once?

I would consider it a coup to have Lieberman leave the Dem party.

Radical left? Who? Where? Compared to Europe, there is NO left in the US.

Nixon would be a Liberal by today's standards.

 

[Iriemon]

How about putting Country before Party for once?

I would consider it a coup to have Lieberman leave the Dem party.

Radical left? Who? Where? Compared to Europe, there is NO left in the US.

Nixon would be a Liberal by today's standards.

The Radical Left in America today are folks who think the Govt should balance its budget and that we shouldn't invade countries because we want access to their oil.

 

[hipsterdufus]

The Radical Left in America today are folks who think the Govt should balance its budget and that we shouldn't invade countries because we want access to their oil.

Yeah, you're right. We're crazy that way.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Hipster knows Goldwater?... You are truely a man after my own heart...

I know Ayn Rand too. In fact, one "liberal" show I listen to often : Thom Hartmann regulary has
guests on from the Ayn Rand foundation for good old fashioned honest debate.

 

[tecoyah]

The old Guard no longer has the power to "Save" what once was.....and its a pity. If they did...I might still be republican.

 

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Stinger
:rofl

You guys are hilarious. You'd better be worrying about your own party being taken over by the radical leftist. Even Lieberman is being tossed aside. You have no plans, no proposals and are weak on our national security. Best you spend your time figuring out what you are going to do rather than waste it on worrying about what the Republicans are going to do.

How about putting Country before Party for once?

And what on earth is that suppose to mean specifically?

I would consider it a coup to have Lieberman leave the Dem party.

Proving my point.

Radical left? Who? Where?

Right here in the good ole USA.

 

[taxedout]

Better Question :

Can the republican party be saved from the Fabian global collectivists that have swallowed both parties ?