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Can the Supreme Court order a state to vote a second time due to voter fraud?

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So, I have this friend of mine who believe Biden will win the first count, but then lawsuits to supreme court will make demand a second vote because of voter fraud and that Trump will win this second vote. Can the Supreme court reall do that? Rememer the Supreme Court has excellent judges that are experts in law, so if they really want to do as described above I think it might be possible
 


Yeah, not gonna happen...
 
perha88 said:
Probably not, but CAN it happen? Is it theoretically possible?
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Nope, the dates for the end of the presidents term are crystal clear... There would be no time for a state to vote again...
 

A bit of a silly question as it is based upon a hypothetical that has no foundation. We have never had voter fraud at a noticeable level AND never to the extent that it would even come close to threatening the outcome or integrity of an election. The only real voter fraud that has happened is on the otherside, the wholesale suppression of votes. Sorry, but keeping someone that is entitled to vote from voting is just as outrageous of this idea of someone voting twice. The former happens with great frequency; the latter with great rarity.
 
That is not how Trump will play it. He will screw the post offices, done. He will try to make everyone show up at polls. He uses thugs to threaten Hispanics to go home. He starts to fight in court, to stop all vote counts on election night. As his count ON election night will be ahead. But the more mailin votes get counted, the more Biden pulls ahead.


So Trump will fight to exclude ever more votes that were mailed. He will not be wanting a do over.
 
Yes they could depending on the specific circumstance.
If I had to pick a state where it could happen I would pick Pennsylvanian.

They are ripe for fraud after the democratic PA supreme court made it very easy for it to happen.

The case went to the Supreme court and it was a 4 to 4 tie so the lower court ruling stands.

Justice Amy Coney Barrett where are you? The vote to confirm Barrett should happen Monday somewhere around 7:00PM
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
No. Elections are run by the states.
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Sorry wrong answer.



Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), was a decision of the United States Supreme Court that settled a recount dispute in Florida's 2000 presidential election. The ruling was issued on December 12, 2000. On December 9, the Court had preliminarily halted the Florida recount that was occurring. Eight days earlier, the Court unanimously decided the closely related case of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board.[1] The Electoral College was scheduled to meet on December 18, 2000, to decide the election.

In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that the use of different standards of counting in different counties violated the Equal Protection Clause, and ruled that no alternative method could be established within the time limit set by Title 3 of the United States Code (3 U.S.C.), § 5 ("Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors"), which was December 12.[2] The vote regarding the Equal Protection Clause was 7–2, and regarding the lack of an alternative method was 5–4.[3] Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

The Supreme Court decision allowed the previous vote certification to stand, as made by Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, for George W. Bush as the winner of Florida's 25 electoral votes. Florida's votes gave Bush, the Republican candidate, 271 electoral votes, one more than the required 270 to win the Electoral College, and the defeat of Democratic candidate Al Gore, who received 266 electoral votes (a "faithless elector" from the District of Columbia abstained).

Bush v. Gore - Wikipedia

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i'm sure that they could find a way to do it if they wanted to.
 

I dont think you've quite grasped what the decision in Clinton v. Gore actually means.

Hint: it means elections are run by the states.
 
TheDoctorWasIn said:
I dont think you've quite grasped what the decision in Clinton v. Gore actually means.

Hint: it means elections are run by the states.
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They told the state to stop the count and certify the election! And the state did what the Supreme court told them. Next silly issue......
 
Common Sense 1 said:
They told the state to stop the count and certify the election! And the state did what the Supreme court told them. Next silly issue......
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No. The state stopped the count, Gore sued to restart it, the circuit agreed, Bush appealled, and SCOTUS ruled to uphold the state.
 

If the judges are so excellent about using originalist interpretations of the Constitution, there is zero chance they will even allow a runoff election. No such thing exists anywhere in the USC.

Remember when the 5-4 conservative majority gave George Bush the victory? It was all about recounting ballots because Palm Beach County was not allowed to hold a runoff election.
 
It's possible, given the increase in problems caused by mail-in voting and the mounting issues of people attempting to change the rules of the vote so close to the election. Claims of fraudulency can have more weight at this time.

Some will try to tell you that you shouldn't worry because of how rare these occurrences are. But that only makes the issue of them, up to about a year ago, kept repeating that it never happened at all.
It's becoming more and more easy to point out issues with both the system being forced into place and the actions of the people trying to force it there.

Realistically, we could see some form of SC verdict come out about this.
 
I don't know if anyone can order a state to vote again.

Far more likely to just throw out ballots that are questionable, and depending on the bias of those deciding that, some that really aren't.

Or like they did in Florida in 2000, stop the recount before it finished.
Which according to some, is the one and only reason Bush won, since if they had continued the recount, he would have lost.
 
Oborosen said:
It's possible, given the increase in problems caused by mail-in voting ...
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Yeah, massive problems everywhere mail-in voting occurs. States where mail-in voting is the standard, why they have no idea who they elect in any election. Isn't that right, Oborosen? And of course, the USSC knows this and they are standing by, ready to tell the states that their systems are wrought with fraud and must be discarded.

I think you'd be better off just firebombing key polling places at this point. You've got to suppress the vote anyway you can.
 

The Supreme Court is America's gods. They could order you to chop off your own hand - or anyone else to do so - and there is NOTHING to over ride that.

Over 200 years ago, the Supreme Court declared the US Constitution is null and void, declaring British common law instead still controls and from that they are total dictators over everyone and everything in the country. The Supreme Court could declare one of them is the president if they wanted to, erase any election, change any election results or do anything else 5 of them want to do or not do.
 
I'm not a leftist, so overt acts of violence aren't' really my forte.
You're also forgetting the fact that even before there was such a large call for mail-in voting. We still lost votes regularly, due to them either being dropped after inspection, or even just plainly lost. All of these things have occurred.

Now we have the larger issue of those same factors being increased several fold and the arrival of actors on both the left, and the right. Who're going to do what they can to have an impact on this election.

Unfortunately for the democrats. This might just end up screwing them over more than they thought it would effect republicans.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Sorry wrong answer.
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Are you sure?

It was a Constitutionally compelled decision, which is one of the few reasons why the Supreme Court even had jurisdiction. It's worth noting that it was a 7-2 decision on the main issue.

Count and recount, then certification, as Florida law required. Al Gore tried to circumvent Florida law.

Mail voting has always been fraught with various issues. So long as it was a small group, it was mostly under the radar. Not this year. The usual problems have been greatly magnified.

The rule of unintended consequences is always in play.
 
Jay59 said:
Mail voting has always been fraught with various issues. So long as it was a small group, it was mostly under the radar. Not this year. The usual problems have been greatly magnified.

The rule of unintended consequences is always in play.
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Unfortunately, with the way things are going. I worry just how many different states are going to be locked up with cases concerning their votes.
I already turned mine and my nieces votes in, in person. So I'm happy to now that ours will at least be counted. This will be her second election that she's been able to vote in.

But I fear that this whole cycle is just going to drag out, far worse than most of us are expecting.
 
Oborosen said:
We still lost votes regularly, due to them either being dropped after inspection, or even just plainly lost. All of these things have occurred.
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And yet there is not a single instance of any state or federal election outcome changing or even being impacted in any way.

Oh, but this year ... this year things are going to be different ... because Trump says so. There is going to be massive fraud on a scale never before seen and it is going to throw the outcomes of every election everywhere into total and complete chaos ... because Trump says so.

Shortly after he was elected, Trump established an election fraud commission to root out the 3 million illegal votes Trump claimed were cast for Hillary Clinton in 2016. The bipartisan election boards in every state looked at each other and said "WTF is he talking about?" Those election boards take their responsibilities very seriously. That Trump commission was dissolved because there was no evidence to justify its existence. This year will be no different.

Hopefully, if any of that (allegations of massive voter fraud) nonsense gets into a courtroom, the judiciary will shut it down immediately.
 
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