Can democrats win a presidential election? (1 Viewer)

[bison]

Do you think we can have a democratic president? What must they do before that is possible?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Do you think we can have a democratic president?

Sure we "can". This is still America.

What must they do before that is possible?

When they earn it. They have to stop being the party of no ideas so that they can combat the party of bad ideas.

 

[bison]

Before they can do anything, I think they need to come together on a plan for Iraq

 

[talloulou]

I think the democrats definitely could win and in fact I think it is their election to blow. I think America is ready for a change and it is much easier to win when not facing an encumbant. However they could easily blow it by making Hilary Clinton their nomination or being over zealous and adopting a campaign that is too caustic and adopts speakers like Michael Moore as the "voice" of their party. Just as the Republicans have to be careful to not let christian fundamentalist get too much say in party direction the dems need to ensure that fringe groups don't rule their direction and campaign.

 

[Joby]

Not really, to be honest. Every time I start to think they've found a good direction, they do something stupid.

Anyway, Clinton won on domestic issues, but the Dems haven't been able to put that together again.

 

[scottyz]

This is how I see the whole thing

If the democrats almost won with John Kerry, of course they could win if they had someone who's likable.

Kerry never seemed like he wanted to be President. I don't think there was anything unlikable about Bush or Kerry's public personas, but Bush sure seemed to try harder. Bush was out campaigning while Kerry was out wind surfing. Kerry either didn't answer challenges to his record or didn't rebut till it was too late. If they picked someone who was more driven to win and campaigned hard they could win.

 

[TheNextEra]

Kerry never seemed like he wanted to be President. I don't think there was anything unlikable about Bush or Kerry's public personas, but Bush sure seemed to try harder. Bush was out campaigning while Kerry was out wind surfing. Kerry either didn't answer challenges to his record or didn't rebut till it was too late. If they picked someone who was more driven to win and campaigned hard they could win.

The biggest problem with Kerry was that he used the tactics of an incubant president. It is quite ok for the incubant president to say things like "Stay the course" and have it fly with voters, it isn't ok to do what Kerry did and say things like "I'll do it better" without giving an explanation how.

It was his wishy washy stances and his inablility to explain how he would do things better that lose him the election IMO.

As for the question "Can democrats win a presidential election" the simple answer is yes, they can. The dems just have to have a platform and acutally stick to it without having the Republicans define what the Dems platform is going to be.

 

[Iriemon]

The Democratic candidate won 3 out of the last 4 popular votes, and lost the 4th by a slim margin. Seems like a silly question.

 

[Billo_Really]

The Democrats winning has to do with how much the Republicans plan to cheat with electronic voting machines.

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

The Democrats winning has to do with how much the Republicans plan to cheat with electronic voting machines.

Right. Here we go again. Something similar to the dem's slashing tires and having dead people vote, too, right?
Both sides have idiots working for them. You sling that brush, it hits both sides.
The biggest things that hurt Kerry? He was from Ma. After Kennedy, no southern voter would touch another.

His wonderful wife Teresa. Dumb b!tch needs to keep her mouth shut and quit insulting people.
"I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job - I mean, since she's been grown up."
The libs keep howling about the rich. Teresa IS the rich. Laura Bush was a teacher, a working mom, and yet, this is the kind of garbage that Teresa spouts. It didn't go over well with the local NEA members, either.

http://www.alsegundo.com/images/226_1.jpg

And having your daughter show up at a political affair dressed like she'd kist finished working her shift on the street corner doesn't help, either.
He failed to present a family image. His wife was and is a complete b!tch, his daughter dresses like a whore, and he wanted us to do what?
Of course, it did make it clear who had some concerns about certain issues and who was pulling the yellow dog routine.
He was the best candidate that the dem's could field?
They need to work hard to get the American people to trust them, and it can't be the same old routine crap of just bad mouthing the reps. They need a plan, and someone that people can trust.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Blue Collar Joe
Right. Here we go again. Something similar to the dem's slashing tires and having dead people vote, too, right?
Both sides have idiots working for them. You sling that brush, it hits both sides.
The biggest things that hurt Kerry? He was from Ma. After Kennedy, no southern voter would touch another.

His wonderful wife Teresa. Dumb b!tch needs to keep her mouth shut and quit insulting people.
"I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job - I mean, since she's been grown up."
The libs keep howling about the rich. Teresa IS the rich. Laura Bush was a teacher, a working mom, and yet, this is the kind of garbage that Teresa spouts. It didn't go over well with the local NEA members, either.

http://www.alsegundo.com/images/226_1.jpg

And having your daughter show up at a political affair dressed like she'd kist finished working her shift on the street corner doesn't help, either.
He failed to present a family image. His wife was and is a complete b!tch, his daughter dresses like a whore, and he wanted us to do what?
Of course, it did make it clear who had some concerns about certain issues and who was pulling the yellow dog routine.
He was the best candidate that the dem's could field?
They need to work hard to get the American people to trust them, and it can't be the same old routine crap of just bad mouthing the reps. They need a plan, and someone that people can trust.

Kerry's a *****! And he answer's to the same class of people that Bush does. If Kerry would have won, there wouldn't be any difference in Iraq or capitol hill or any other area of government. Reps and Dems are flip sides of the same coin.

What I was refering to was the over 3000 documented incidents of electronic voting malfunctions and suspect results. Go to blackbox.com and you will be surprised at how bad it was. Or just read Kennedy's latest article on this issue. It goes way beyond partisan bitching. In fact, some Republicans have admitted to jamming the phone lines of democratic "get out the vote" offices. Which they are now being investigated for. They didn't think it was illegal at the time. That ought to tell you something about their lawless attitude.

 

[Stinger]

Do you think we can have a democratic president? What must they do before that is possible?

They have to come up with something to tell people they are going to do for a start. They have no vision, no ideas, no proposals. Why should anyone vote FOR them. I'll vote for a few local Democrats in Nov., but nationally they aren't offering me anyone to consider.

 

[talloulou]

His wonderful wife Teresa. Dumb b!tch needs to keep her mouth shut and quit insulting people.

She definitely made a comment or two that made me hate her! :rofl

"I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good. But I don't know that she's ever had a real job - I mean, since she's been grown up."

She was a librarian and a school teacher. :rofl

And having your daughter show up at a political affair dressed like she'd kist finished working her shift on the street corner doesn't help, either.

Aahh come on that was a mistake....too sheer a fabric and a 100+ flash bulbs. Could happen to anyone but you would think someone would be watching out for that sort of thing for the family....poor girl!

 

[Navy Pride]

If the presidential election was held today the nominees according to polls would be McCain and Hill ary according to those polls McCain would clean her clock big time..........

 

[disneydude]

Neither McCain or Hillary will get the nominations.

The Republicans will never pick McCain, despite the fact that he would probably win easily due to his moderate stance on many issues and his military record. He is a candidate that moderate Democrats can stomach, but the Republican right-wing cannot. They will push hard for someone that they can control like a puppet like King George, which is why Guilliani faces an uphill fight as well.

The Democrats won't nominate Hillary because they want a candidate who can win. Hillary has too many strikes against her. First and foremost, I hate to say it, but she's a woman....and there are still many in this country that have issues with a woman president. For a woman to win she would have to have a lot less baggage than Hillary.

Second, Hillary appeals to moderate Democrats but has alienated a lot of liberal democrats on her stance on many issues including Iraq.

Personally, I would love to see Hillary run because it would energize a lot of apathetic voters on both extremes. She would bring out people who hate her and people who support her.

Also, personally I would love to see Biden get the nomination, but that's never going to happen. He's probably the most intelligent person in politics today, he's fairly moderate and talks very straight to the point (unlike our current clown who dodges every question posed).
It would be refreshing to have a President that speaks honestly to the American people. Biden would fulfill George's empty promise of restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse. The trouble is, he isn't well known amongst the general public and is not likely to generate much enthusiasm.

So...while there is much talk about a Hillary/McCain showdown....it isn't going to happen.

Now, McCain running as an independent.....that could make for some exciting politics.

 

[Stinger]

Also, personally I would love to see Biden get the nomination, but that's never going to happen. He's probably the most intelligent person in politics today,

:2rofll::2rofll:and no one believes that more than he does :rofl:rofl

It would be refreshing to have a President that speaks honestly to the American people. Biden would fulfill George's empty promise of restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse.

If there is one thing George Bush does is speak honestly and tells you EXACTLY what he means, if you still don't understand that about the man I don't think you will ever have a clue about him.

The trouble is, he isn't well known amongst the general public and is not likely to generate much enthusiasm.

He's known as much as anyone and probably more than Bush was before he ran first time. The trouble is people don't LIKE him. He's an arrogant SOB who thinks he knows more than anyone when in fact he's not really that intelligent at all. As a committeemember he badgers people and likes to hear himself talk more than interrogate witnesses for facts. Let's not forget he has a glorious history of plagiarism, not a sign of great intelligence.

So...while there is much talk about a Hillary/McCain showdown....it isn't going to happen.

Probably not but I have learned through many years never to place your bets this early.

Now, McCain running as an independent.....that could make for some exciting politics.

McCain/Lieberman as independentS? That would be interesting.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Also, personally I would love to see Biden get the nomination, but that's never going to happen. He's probably the most intelligent person in politics today, he's fairly moderate and talks very straight to the point (unlike our current clown who dodges every question posed).
It would be refreshing to have a President that speaks honestly to the American people. Biden would fulfill George's empty promise of restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse. The trouble is, he isn't well known amongst the general public and is not likely to generate much enthusiasm.

Biden? No way. The Dems will nominate someone that represents them. Its the groundswell of Dems taking the party back that will pick the nominee. The people of the Democratic party are WAY ahead of the vast majority of Washington Democrats. Biden is smart, but he's also in the pocket of too many corporations, too much baggage. Plus there's that hair transplant/vanity thing. :mrgreen:

I think Biden is pretty well known. I'd bet good money that he is on the Sunday shows more than any Dem. He's also ran and lost miserably before.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Or just read Kennedy's latest article on this issue. It goes way beyond partisan bitching. In fact, some Republicans have admitted to jamming the phone lines of democratic "get out the vote" offices. Which they are now being investigated for. They didn't think it was illegal at the time. That ought to tell you something about their lawless attitude.

Interesting that the corporate media won't touch this story. Edwards was right. The lawyers were there and ready to press in Ohio, but were told to back off.

I'll never trust another US election without a verifiable paper trail. Period.

Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse" is a must read too.

 

[Navy Pride]

Biden? No way. The Dems will nominate someone that represents them. Its the groundswell of Dems taking the party back that will pick the nominee. The people of the Democratic party are WAY ahead of the vast majority of Washington Democrats. Biden is smart, but he's also in the pocket of too many corporations, too much baggage. Plus there's that hair transplant/vanity thing. :mrgreen:

I think Biden is pretty well known. I'd bet good money that he is on the Sunday shows more than any Dem. He's also ran and lost miserably before.

I agree hips, Biden has never seen a camera he did not like plus he from a small NE State and is a senator........To much baggage.....No chance..........


I would be willing to bet it will be Hillary, she is fooling no one with her fake move to the center................She will run against Mccain.......

 

[hipsterdufus]

I agree hips, Biden has never seen a camera he did not like plus he from a small NE State and is a senator........To much baggage.....No chance..........


I would be willing to bet it will be Hillary, she is fooling no one with her fake move to the center................She will run against Mccain.......

I've yet to meet ONE Dem that supports Hillary. Only the fat cats seem to. 2008 is a long way off, but I don't think she will be the nominee. I hope it's McCain for the GOP, I could live with that, and would like to have 2 strong candidates.

 

[Iriemon]

I've yet to meet ONE Dem that supports Hillary. Only the fat cats seem to. 2008 is a long way off, but I don't think she will be the nominee. I hope it's McCain for the GOP, I could live with that, and would like to have 2 strong candidates.

I don't know enough about Clinton's policy to have made a decision -- I'm a little put off on her support for the Iraq war. But she seem intellegent, she is obviously experienced and would bring along with her one of the most effective presidents of the past 50 years.

The biggest liability about Clinton is that she would motivate the rabid right, a great many of whom, as far as I can see, are vehemently against her because she is a woman who obvioulsy doens't know that a woman's place is in the home and either pregnant or raising kids, serving her husband. I otherwise have not heard from them what their big beef is about her.

But the truth is, I don't know if it really matter who the Dems nominate, it could be a former Marine officer who fought and was wounded in the Vietnam war -- the right wing attack machine will gear up and villify and slander.

 

[Navy Pride]

I've yet to meet ONE Dem that supports Hillary. Only the fat cats seem to. 2008 is a long way off, but I don't think she will be the nominee. I hope it's McCain for the GOP, I could live with that, and would like to have 2 strong candidates.

Well all the polls have Hillary leading by a large margin to win the nomination....As a Conservative I hope she gets it because I don't believe she could beat any reasonable Republican nominee.............

 

[Navy Pride]

I don't know enough about Clinton's policy to have made a decision -- I'm a little put off on her support for the Iraq war. But she seem intellegent, she is obviously experienced and would bring along with her one of the most effective presidents of the past 50 years.

The biggest liability about Clinton is that she would motivate the rabid right, a great many of whom, as far as I can see, are vehemently against her because she is a woman who obvioulsy doens't know that a woman's place is in the home and either pregnant or raising kids, serving her husband. I otherwise have not heard from them what their big beef is about her.

But the truth is, I don't know if it really matter who the Dems nominate, it could be a former Marine officer who fought and was wounded in the Vietnam war -- the right wing attack machine will gear up and villify and slander.

Well here is a right winger that would vote for the right woman in a heartbeat but that woman sure as hell is not Hillary......So much for your theory about right wingers.......

 

[Iriemon]

Well here is a right winger that would vote for the right woman in a heartbeat but that woman sure as hell is not Hillary......So much for your theory about right wingers.......

Tell us your beef about Clinton.

 

[Navy Pride]

Tell us your beef about Clinton.

There is not enough room in this forum to tell you that.........Lets just say like Bill she is trying to fool people into believing she is a moderate................Bill got away with it but she won't...............She will bring the conservative vote out more then any person in history......

I truly hope she gets your party nomination though and I think she will........