- Aug 26, 2005
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Post what you think may or may not work.
jfuh said:I highly doubt it. Israel itself is a state based not on ethnicity, but on religion. That wouldn't be so bad if those nations surrounding Israel were not a completely different religion that have been at war for essentially the last 2000 years.
jfuh said:So even if, big if, there were no more anti-semantic fanatics that strap bombs to themselves and blow up school buses, the Israeli side would still have such fanatics because they are a religious state.
jfuh said:This whole wall building thing will only make matters worse.
It's true that muslims have been generally very tolerant of those living amongst them who are of a varied religious belief. But the issue is of fundamentalists that will do anything to derail peace. That's really something that is prevalent on both sides of the wall.Kandahar said:That's a myth. Since the birth of Islam, there has been a lot more Christian-Jew and Christian-Muslim animosity, than Jew-Muslim animosity. Historically, Muslims have been very tolerant of Jews living amongst them. That animosity has mostly come about since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and especially since the creation of Israel as a modern state.
No Israel does not, Israel directly sends over tanks and gunships with high collateral damage.Kandahar said:Israel doesn't have people strapping bombs to themselves to blow up Palestinian school buses. These Israeli fanatics are largely a figment of the imagination of Palestinian sympathizers.
Israel's complete withdraw from Gaza is a good start.Kandahar said:Suicide bombings have declined significantly since the construction of the wall, and Israel has pulled completely out of Gaza. It seems to me that the wall is working quite well, where both negotiations and occupation have failed.
jfuh said:It's true that muslims have been generally very tolerant of those living amongst them who are of a varied religious belief. But the issue is of fundamentalists that will do anything to derail peace. That's really something that is prevalent on both sides of the wall.
jfuh said:No Israel does not, Israel directly sends over tanks and gunships with high collateral damage.
jfuh said:But more importantly Israel has fanatics on it's own side that are willing to assasinate presidents for thier cause, sound familiar?
jfuh said:Israel's complete withdraw from Gaza is a good start.
But here's my issue with the Wall. It creates a pshycological impact on those on the otherside as well as a very false sense of security for those within. Any wall can be overcome given time and determination, both of which a fanatic has plenty of.
Surprisingly in many more ways then the US today, yes I agree. But nevertheless a nation based on the Jewish faith. Thus innately it has reserves of other religious beliefs which in itself is problematic. The point is there are fundamentalists on both sides that do not care for peace.Kandahar said:Even if you think that the Israeli conservatives are extremists, I'd hardly call them fundamentalists. Israel is a fairly secular society.
I completely agree that the methodology is different. However the effect is the same, innocents are killed. Assault rifles and heavy explosives just do not work very well in preventing collateral damage. Sadly unless the bombing stop Israel will have no choice but to send over more troops, and the more troops deployed the more hatred for Israel would rein in Palestine.Kandahar said:Do the Israelis try to kill as many civilians as possible to further their goals? Isn't the success of those missions measured in whether the goals were achieved and how FEW civilians were killed, rather than how MANY?
I don't think of the relevance of the absolute number, but more of the relative density of this hatred and extreemism. You have soo many ppl in such a small confined space, literally, yet there is so much hatred on both sides, any long time peace will be very difficult.Kandahar said:Ok, so you've shown that there's at least one fanatic in Israel. Is there any country in the world where that's not the case?
The results today are indeed inarguable. However, as with any relationship, you must always look long term. It will only be a matter of time before assholes packing explosives find a method to get across. I mean these extreemists are for the complete erradication and total annihalation of Israel. They're also very patient and have nothing else better to do.Kandahar said:One would think that to be true (I certainly did when the construction began). But you can't argue with results; the wall has indeed succeeded in keeping suicide bombers out, so perhaps it's not as easy to overcome as people think.
Wouldn't you agree though that the root of the problem lies directly at the psychie of the Palestinians? As you say, they look at Israel as the infidels territory.Kandahar said:The potential psychological impact on Palestinians not being able to travel to the infidel's territory, is greatly outweighed by the Israelis' right to not be blown up.
Calm2Chaos said:A 5 megaton blast over the Hamas capitol buillding
cherokee said:Post what you think may or may not work.
vergiss said:How about a little maturity, please?
Saboteur said:Sorry I was a little peeved about everything last week...
My opinion on peace between Israel and Palistien is that both countries need to put their immature vendetta aside and just leave each other alone...
It's like a religious gang war.
I realize that they have done a lot to each other but it won't stop unless they just give it up.
Israel needs to back off of Palestien and Palestien needs to accept the fact that Israel is there and it's not going anywhere.
So now it's name calling.DeeJayH said:prove it TERRORIST-SYMPATHIZER
Simple, anger begets anger. If the palestinians go about and drop weapons on israel, Israel is going most likly going to need to bomb the hell out of all supporting arabs nations/organizations.Paladin said:and
could you explain your reasoning for that?