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Can Anyone Define What a "Living Wage" is to me?

Who are these rich? Please give us a ballpark estimate of the percentage, or income level, that you are referring to. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/42870 The CBO clearly reports to you that : Are you aware that at the top rate, if its from normal income and it's from the most common type of business or profession, people are paying anywhere between 35-50% of their overall income in taxes, only to see you claiming that "the rich only pay 15%"? That's liberal propaganda. There are a very, very tiny minority of the U.S. population that makes an outrageous income at capital gains rates through investments. IF that's what you want to limit, limit it, but don't go ballistic on this stealing wage bull**** or that it's all the non-working class that are doing it.

The top 1% dont pay working mans taxes. So the rate is nothing but a distraction and irrelivant

They pay cap gains taxes and the like. No FICA. And they only pay 15% to 0% in taxes. USA and offshore respectivly.

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The rich produce nothing, and never have. SO that undermines any argument you have.

1400, they have the surfs work for them.

2000, they have those displaced from the land, forced into citys to work fo them.


You do realize that your nonsense here is utterly laughable, right? Apple isn't the product of some button pusher at a plastics extrusion factory. Microsoft Office isn't the product of some code-monkey in a cubicle. Almost all production in this country happens because someone who isn't a paid laborer had an idea, invested in the idea, built the means of production, successfully did the marketing, organized the distribution and paid the taxes, administered corporate benefits, dealt with the government regulations and oversaw the work done by clockwatchers between the timecard punches.

If "the workers" were what made all our production happen, they would be able to employ themselves. Instead, most people in this country wouldn't know whether to scratch their ass or go blind if they had to employ themselves. They rely on other people to find them work and babysit them for 8-1/2 hours a day and then give them money every two weeks for doing whatever someone else tells them to do in an operation that someone else figured out how to make profitable.

Without our "corporate overlords" and small business owners we'd be living in an agrarian economy, raising our own potatoes in enough quantity to survive the winter.


All productivity is from the workers, it is the power structure that allows them to take the living wage from the worker, and to allow them
to keep a pitance.

If all productivity came from workers, then workers would be able to engage in their trades without having to peddle their labor to corporations or "the rich". Most are simply neither inspired nor educated enough to be in business for themselves, so they sell their labor to labor consumers at market prices. That's not going to be changing anytime soon, so you might as well get used to the idea of working for a living. If you were a visionary that was capable of self-employment, you'd already understand this and since you're not, you need to get used to punching a timeclock.
 
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You do realize that your nonsense here is utterly laughable, right? Apple isn't the product of some button pusher at a plastics extrusion factory. Microsoft Office isn't the product of some code-monkey in a cubicle. Almost all production in this country happens because someone who isn't a paid laborer had an idea, invested in the idea, built the means of production, successfully did the marketing, organized the distribution and paid the taxes, administered corporate benefits, dealt with the government regulations and oversaw the work done by clockwatchers between the timecard punches.

If "the workers" were what made all our production happen, they would be able to employ themselves.

Brilliant dismantling of the absurdity of LTV (labor theory of value).
 
I see this term thrown around all the time when it comes to minimum wage. I'm curious as to what this means.

Does living wage mean the minimum wage necessary to survive? Or is there a minimum amount of amenities one must also have such as a computer, car, television, etc.?

Minimum wage in America is more than what 90% of the rest of the world makes and even adjusting for purchasing power, living in the US is better than most of the rest of the world. I have a friend who makes less than minimum wage working for a charity and she says she gets by fine and doesn't accept food stamps because she doesn't want to set a bad example for the kids she mentors. Does this mean she is making a "living wage", or does living wage constantly change depending on a person's spending habits? And before the trolls come in and accuse me of partisanship, I am just telling a true anecdote that I understand is not proof of anything. I'd just like clarity on what criteria defines "living wage" and whether this means any less money will mean no longer living.

Here are some definitions ... hope it helps ...

Living wage is defined by the wage that can meet the basic needs to maintain a safe, decent standard of living within the community.

A wage sufficient to provide the necessities and comforts essential to an acceptable standard of living.

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?
The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.

Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country, our living wage standard also combines this wage standard with benefits.

A theoretical wage level that allows the earner to afford adequate shelter, food and the other necessities of life. The living wage should be substantial enough to ensure that no more than 30% of it needs to be spent on housing. The goal of the living wage is to allow employees to earn enough income for a satisfactory standard of living.
 
You do realize that your nonsense here is utterly laughable, right? Apple isn't the product of some button pusher at a plastics extrusion factory. Microsoft Office isn't the product of some code-monkey in a cubicle. Almost all production in this country happens because someone who isn't a paid laborer had an idea, invested in the idea, built the means of production, successfully did the marketing, organized the distribution and paid the taxes, administered corporate benefits, dealt with the government regulations and oversaw the work done by clockwatchers between the timecard punches.

If "the workers" were what made all our production happen, they would be able to employ themselves. Instead, most people in this country wouldn't know whether to scratch their ass or go blind if they had to employ themselves. They rely on other people to find them work and babysit them for 8-1/2 hours a day and then give them money every two weeks for doing whatever someone else tells them to do in an operation that someone else figured out how to make profitable.

Without our "corporate overlords" and small business owners we'd be living in an agrarian economy, raising our own potatoes in enough quantity to survive the winter.




If all productivity came from workers, then workers would be able to engage in their trades without having to peddle their labor to corporations or "the rich". Most are simply neither inspired nor educated enough to be in business for themselves, so they sell their labor to labor consumers at market prices. That's not going to be changing anytime soon, so you might as well get used to the idea of working for a living. If you were a visionary that was capable of self-employment, you'd already understand this and since you're not, you need to get used to punching a timeclock.

No thye must negociate with the owner of the means of production because they as individuals dont have the means to have the capital to own mass production.
Now in the age of blacksmiths and ferriers, they could own the means of production. Learn a little history.

Only thing laughable is your lack of knowledge of history. See, you have the IP in country X, the slaves in country Y, the secutities in USA with the CEO and Phd;s. Last I checked
USA is for all its CITIZENS and should not be just a toy for the milti national. How about we BAN your Apple product, then who would you sell too? Very simple to do.
Just have the Dept of Trade issue a ban. PRESTO! Apple corp is dead...........Unless you employ all those blue collar people...............
 
Brilliant dismantling of the absurdity of LTV (labor theory of value).

So when the club smashes your face............from the homeless and pissed off US CITIZEN worker..........what will your Labor thery of value debunk mean then??????

What did Loius the 16th think of LTV/??????
 
So when the club smashes your face............from the homeless and pissed off US CITIZEN worker..........what will your Labor thery of value debunk mean then??????

Wait, so you're agreeing the labor theory of value is debunk? Score.

What did Loius the 16th think of LTV/??????

No idea.
 
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