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Campaigns Battle Over "Joe The Plumber"

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Campaigns Battle Over "Joe The Plumber", McCain, Obama Continue Talking About Joe Wurzelbacher From Ohio; Meanwhile, He Reveals He Doesn't Have A License - CBS News

(CBS/ AP) The campaign between John McCain and Barack Obama now centers on "Joe The Plumber."

Early in Wednesday night's final debate between the two candidates, McCain brought up Joe Wurzelbacher, an Ohio plumber who approached Obama at a campaign event last Sunday, to illustrate how the Illinois senator's tax policy would hurt small businesses.



Joe Wurzelbacher, Joe the plumber, became somewhat of a household name as John McCain brought his name up during the presidential debate last night. Joe's question earlier in the week to Obama in Ohio and Obama's response prompted McCain's discussion of Obama's tax plan during the debate. The link includes a written account that discusses how Joe's question to Obama affected the debate and also Katie Couric's interview with Joe.
 
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My initial reason for initiating this thread was to bring up the taxation issue as Joe the plumber did in Ohio. However, upon reading the article, it is important to note how this CBS news site took great care in noting in the title that Joe is presently unlicensed as a plumber. The written article takes it further as it discusses taxes that Joe owes to the county and they even get the opinion of a code enforcement official to make it appear that Joe is improperly doing unlicensed work. I find it amazing that CBS digs into this guy Joe, seemingly because he has become popular and appears to favor McCain (from his responses). Obama does not have to defame his detractors... the MSM does it for him!
 
My initial reason for initiating this thread was to bring up the taxation issue as Joe the plumber did in Ohio. However, upon reading the article, it is important to note how this CBS news site took great care in noting in the title that Joe is presently unlicensed as a plumber. The written article takes it further as it discusses taxes that Joe owes to the county and they even get the opinion of a code enforcement official to make it appear that Joe is improperly doing unlicensed work. I find it amazing that CBS digs into this guy Joe, seemingly because he has become popular and appears to favor McCain (from his responses). Obama does not have to defame his detractors... the MSM does it for him!


I agree. It's my understaning that Joe is a journeyman (working for someone else at this time), so he doesn't need a license. The politics of personal destruction has begun for good old Joe.
 
I had no idea Leiberman was a plumber!
 
My initial reason for initiating this thread was to bring up the taxation issue as Joe the plumber did in Ohio. However, upon reading the article, it is important to note how this CBS news site took great care in noting in the title that Joe is presently unlicensed as a plumber. The written article takes it further as it discusses taxes that Joe owes to the county and they even get the opinion of a code enforcement official to make it appear that Joe is improperly doing unlicensed work. I find it amazing that CBS digs into this guy Joe, seemingly because he has become popular and appears to favor McCain (from his responses). Obama does not have to defame his detractors... the MSM does it for him!

What makes this suspicious is that "Joe the Plumber" is actually the son-in-law of Charles Keating.
 
What makes this suspicious is that "Joe the Plumber" is actually the son-in-law of Charles Keating.

Are you kidding? Do you have a source on this?
 
What makes this suspicious is that "Joe the Plumber" is actually the son-in-law of Charles Keating.

Well now it's obvious that the McCain camp planted him. After all, with all the thousands of plumbers in the US, it makes perfect sense that McVCain wants the name Keating brought up again. :screwy
 
'Joe the Plumber' says he has no plumbing license - Yahoo! News
HOLLAND, Ohio – Joe the Plumber said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one. Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.

But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

Wurzelbacher, who voted in the Republican primary and indicated he backed McCain, was cited by the GOP presidential candidate as an example of someone who wants to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Democrat Barack Obama's tax plans. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised that his name was mentioned so many other times.

"That bothered me. I wished that they had talked more about issues that are important to Americans," he told reporters gathered outside his home.

He is a registered Republican so my guess was he is a plant used to derail the real debate. He isn't in any position to own his business because his boss isn't selling. Thanks Joe the Plumber for making my home state look dumber then it already does.
 
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Joe in the Spotlight - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest ranch house near Toledo thinking about how to expand his plumbing business. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block this weekend to ask about his taxes, he set himself on a path to being the newest media celebrity — and, like other celebrities, found himself under scrutiny.

Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,” as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes.

The premise of his question to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts.


An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union. (The national plumber’s union, the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, endorsed Mr. Obama, it should be noted.)

“He’s basically playing games with the world,” Thomas Joseph, the local’s business manager, said in a telephone interview Thursday morning.

Just five days ago, Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, lived in anonymity, a single father who worked all day at his plumbing business and came home to fix dinner and help his son with his homework, as he said on national television.

But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on Shrewsbury Street on Sunday, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay taxes as he reached a point where he could afford to buy his own plumbing business, one he said would draw income of $250,000 a year.

“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama during an exchange that was filmed and later showed up on YouTube. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

That encounter led to New York Post headlines, appearances on the Fox News Channel and interviews with conservative groups, who seized on part of Mr. Obama’s reply.

“I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Mr. Obama had said.

When Mr. McCain invoked Mr. Wurzelbacher in Wednesday’s debate — some version of “Joe the Plumber” was mentioned two dozen times during the 90 minutes — as a way to criticize Mr. Obama’s tax plan and wealth-sharing argument, Mr. Wurzelbacher suddenly found camera crews outside his home, Katie Couric on the phone, and himself in the full glare of the media spotlight.

Mr. Wurzelbacher did not respond to a message left on his home phone and there was no answer at his plumbing business.

On Thursday, he told the Associated Press that he felt like Britney Spears.

“I’m kind of like Britney Spears having a headache,” he said. “Everybody wants to know about it.”

Unlike some other states, Ohio does not have a formal statewide licensing system for plumbers. But the city of Toledo and other municipalities do, Mr. Joseph said, and Mr. Wurzelbacher has not met those requirements.

“All contractors are licensed, and he does not have a license, either as a contractor or a plumber,” the union official said, citing a search of government records. “I can’t find that he’s ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page.”

According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,000, one of which — a personal tax lien — is still outstanding.

And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacher’s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 — and not his taxable income — then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama’s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut.


Mr. Wurzelbacher is registered to vote in Lucas County under the name Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.

“We have his named spelled W-O, instead of W-U,” Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said in a telephone interview. “Handwriting is sometimes hard to read. He has never corrected it in his registration card.”

The records, she said, showed he voted Republican in the March primary.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told Ms. Couric that his encounter with Mr. Obama was a matter of impulse.
“Neighbors were outside asking him questions, and I didn’t think they were asking him tough enough questions,” he said.

He went on, “You know, I’ve always wanted to ask one of these guys a question and really corner them and get them to answer a question,” he said, “for once instead of tap dancing around it, and unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.”

He added, “Almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”

Five days later his decision to confront Mr. Obama has spawned a line of novelty T-shirts sold on the Internet.

“Vote Joe the Plumber ’08,” one shirt reads, with the tag: “No More Drips in the White House.”
 
What makes this suspicious is that "Joe the Plumber" is actually the son-in-law of Charles Keating.

No he is related to the son in law, not the son in law himself and so far it isn't be proven, but there is a good chance.
 
What disturbs me about this guy is this. He's just another person who is voting against his own self interest.

I on the other hand am a LICENSED Barber. I make anywhere between $17,000 to $24,000 a year, the latter only if tips are good. I work for a company. Don't own it.

I went to school for this, studied hard and worked my butt off to pass the State Board Exams, and have been working very hard for a long time and barely making ends meet.

And this liar known as JOE the PLUMBER is my working-class "surrogate" in the Presidential Debate???? :shock:

JOE the PLUMBER who isn't licensed, is NOT in any kind of position to buy his own company, let alone one that would make over $250,000...this guy is standing-in for me on the national stage by proxy??? :shock:

That's insulting.
 
What disturbs me about this guy is this. He's just another person who is voting against his own self interest.

I on the other hand am a LICENSED Barber. I make anywhere between $17,000 to $24,000 a year, the latter only if tips are good. I work for a company. Don't own it.

I went to school for this, studied hard and worked my butt off to pass the State Board Exams, and have been working very hard for a long time and barely making ends meet.

And this liar known as JOE the PLUMBER is my working-class "surrogate" in the Presidential Debate???? :shock:

JOE the PLUMBER who isn't licensed, is NOT in any kind of position to buy his own company, let alone one that would make over $250,000...this guy is standing-in for me on the national stage by proxy??? :shock:

That's insulting.

Joe is a joke! He was planted by the McCain campaign. Those who are feeling sorry for him--give me a break. How do you think John McCain knows who this guy is? I would guess that McCain would have checked with Joe Loser before using his real name on national TV. There are so many holes in this story that NO ONE should believe any facts alleged by Joe I'm-a-liar Plumber. This is a non-issue.
 
The fact is, he's making MSM's headline news dogging Obama's tax plan. :cool:
 
'Joe the Plumber' says he has no plumbing license - Yahoo! News


He is a registered Republican so my guess was he is a plant used to derail the real debate. He isn't in any position to own his business because his boss isn't selling. Thanks Joe the Plumber for making my home state look dumber then it already does.

A plant?? Yeah, since Obama's side trip to the neighborhood to meet people was unannounced, I'm sure he was a plant. I heard that Rove planted people like Joe in every neighborhood in America just in case Obama stopped by for a chat. :doh

Where does it say the owner isn't selling? Where does it say that Joe is buying the business right away. I took it from the conversation that buying the company is his dream and hope, sometime in future.

And then you post derogatory remarks from the head of the local union? Why didn't you post Howard Dean's comments. They would be fairer that a union boss's opinion. :roll:

Joe has supposedly worked under a licensed plumber for the past 6 years. I'd bet that he knows what he's doing. Besides, does the owner of a plumbing company have to be a licensed plumber?? I doubt it.

You in the looney left that are attacking Joe are doing McCain a huge favor because every time you attack Joe, you are attacking the working people in this country. Go ahead and confirm to the American people that the left is elitists, but I already knew it.

Us hicks in fly-over country might just surprise you come election day. Gallup is already showing that Obama's lead has melted to 2% now. Now, please, keep up the brilliant tactic of insulting a large portion of America. Maybe Murtha will give you some lessons. :lol:
 
A plant?? Yeah, since Obama's side trip to the neighborhood to meet people was unannounced, I'm sure he was a plant. I heard that Rove planted people like Joe in every neighborhood in America just in case Obama stopped by for a chat. :doh

Where does it say the owner isn't selling? Where does it say that Joe is buying the business right away. I took it from the conversation that buying the company is his dream and hope, sometime in future.

And then you post derogatory remarks from the head of the local union? Why didn't you post Howard Dean's comments. They would be fairer that a union boss's opinion. :roll:

Joe has supposedly worked under a licensed plumber for the past 6 years. I'd bet that he knows what he's doing. Besides, does the owner of a plumbing company have to be a licensed plumber?? I doubt it.

You in the looney left that are attacking Joe are doing McCain a huge favor because every time you attack Joe, you are attacking the working people in this country. Go ahead and confirm to the American people that the left is elitists, but I already knew it.

Us hicks in fly-over country might just surprise you come election day. Gallup is already showing that Obama's lead has melted to 2% now. Now, please, keep up the brilliant tactic of insulting a large portion of America. Maybe Murtha will give you some lessons. :lol:

Awww, Gilly Willy's feelings are hurt because he's a working man and he sees Joe the Plumber as one of him. Boo hoo.

Sorry, but a group of people (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents) from Kansas City, Missouri (which city has picked the president in the last 100 years except 1) unanimously gave Joe Plumber the thumbs down.
 
Awww, Gilly Willy's feelings are hurt because he's a working man and he sees Joe the Plumber as one of him. Boo hoo.

Sorry, but a group of people (Democrats, Republicans, and Independents) from Kansas City, Missouri (which city has picked the president in the last 100 years except 1) unanimously gave Joe Plumber the thumbs down.

Actually, I'm a professional. But thanks for the concern.

Kansas City huh? I just saw some news about KC a couple of days ago about how it's gone into the dumps lately, so I'm not really impressed with what they think, but I would love to see the link to your claim. I've been to KC a lot of times. I'm sorry to say it reminds me a lot of Detroit, i.e. a slum.
 
Actually, I'm a professional. But thanks for the concern.

Kansas City huh? I just saw some news about KC a couple of days ago about how it's gone into the dumps lately, so I'm not really impressed with what they think, but I would love to see the link to your claim. I've been to KC a lot of times. I'm sorry to say it reminds me a lot of Detroit, i.e. a slum.

I made a boo boo. It's the entire state of Missouri that has picked the winner since 1904, with the exception of 1956.

If history is guide, path to White House is through Missouri - Yahoo! News

Missouri Presidential Election Voting History
 
Awww, Gilly Willy's feelings are hurt because he's a working man and he sees Joe the Plumber as one of him. Boo hoo.

Actually, I'm a professional. But thanks for the concern.

So are you implying that a 'working man' is somehow different than a 'professional'?

"Go ahead and confirm to the American people that the left is elitists, but I already knew it."

Sorry to point it out, but the "actually I'm a professional" reply is riddled with elitist overtone.

You're defending some dude that lied to the camera, is whining about taxes being raised at a time when we ALL need to pitch in, and he's not even on the same 'professional' level as yourself? tisk tisk.

The double-standard speak is glaring me in the face, I can't take it anymore
 
He is a registered Republican so my guess was he is a plant used to derail the real debate.
On what do you base this, other than your own partisanship?
And, how is Obama's expressed desire to redistribute wealth NOT part of the "real debate"?
 
Joe is a joke! He was planted by the McCain Campaign
Prove it.

Those who are feeling sorry for him--give me a break.
Those are attacking him because he dared to make The Secular Messiah look bad should be ashamed of yourselves.
Not that youl;re capable of feeling shame...

How do you think John McCain knows who this guy is?
Because hos encounter was boradcast on the news the day that it happened?

I would guess that McCain would have checked with Joe Loser before using his real name on national TV. There are so many holes in this story that NO ONE should believe any facts alleged by Joe I'm-a-liar Plumber. This is a non-issue.
I know you dont want to admit this, but the only fact that matters in all of this is that The Secular Messiah admitted he wants to steal from the haves just so he can give to the have nots.

No amount of personal attack against Joe will change this.
 
Actually, I'm a professional. But thanks for the concern.

So are you implying that a 'working man' is somehow different than a 'professional'?

"Go ahead and confirm to the American people that the left is elitists, but I already knew it."

Sorry to point it out, but the "actually I'm a professional" reply is riddled with elitist overtone.

You're defending some dude that lied to the camera, is whining about taxes being raised at a time when we ALL need to pitch in, and he's not even on the same 'professional' level as yourself? tisk tisk.

The double-standard speak is glaring me in the face, I can't take it anymore

Please learn how to quote other posts so yours make some sense.

I 'believe' you are implying that I am impugning blue collar workers by my reply. Actually, I think Aps was the one doing that. And today, Obama and Biden both are doing a great job of it.

I happen to work with blue collar guys every single day and greatly admire most of them. I can assure you that I like them a whole lot more than the lefty wine and arugula salad crowd. Many of them are union members and disagree completely with their union bosses political choices.
 
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Originally Posted by aps
Joe is a joke! He was planted by the McCain Campaign
Prove it.

I just love this claim when it was Obama that came knocking on Joe's door with no warning.
 
I just love this claim when it was Obama that came knocking on Joe's door with no warning.
They know they cannot defend Obama, so they attack Joe.
Its that simple, really.
 
They know they cannot defend Obama, so they attack Joe.
Its that simple, really.

Dude is a liar and a tax cheat. It has nothing to do with Obama it has to do with a man who claimed to be a plumber, claimed he was going to buy the business he works for and claimed to be a independent voter, none of which was true.
 
Dude is a liar and a tax cheat. It has nothing to do with Obama it has to do with a man who claimed to be a plumber, claimed he was going to buy the business he works for and claimed to be a independent voter, none of which was true.

If true, it doesn't matter. Obama gave the answer he gave, and that answer is fair game no matter what the plumber's credibility is or isn't.

Defend what Obama said. The plumber himself is just a distraction.
 
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