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California, New York handled COVID-19 lockdowns the worst, Florida among the best, a new study shows

have you ever read the Constitution and in particular the 10th Amendment? you don't seem to grasp the reality that people in this country are guaranteed individual freedoms and the consequences that go with those freedoms, good or bad. There is nothing preventing you from exercising those freedoms and if you do what the CDC requires then what does it matter what someone else does

WTF are you babbling about? Changing the topic already? We're talking about what different states have done about Covid, and how that worked out. What in seven hells does that have to do with the 10th Amendment?

Do you understand that most cases of Covid are minor, they are reported from testing but recoveries aren't known if no medical treatment is required. I had Covid, no medical treatment but was reported from the test but recovery wasn't counted. Stop buying the liberal BS.

What liberal BS am I buying? Are we talking about the reported data or not? Are you giving up on your OP this easily?
 
WTF are you babbling about? Changing the topic already? We're talking about what different states have done about Covid, and how that worked out. What in seven hells does that have to do with the 10th Amendment?
Pretty simple to find out how it worked out, look at bls.gov and the employment data then look at the poll numbers of Biden on the economy, job approval and Covid response
What liberal BS am I buying? Are we talking about the reported data or not? Are you giving up on your OP this easily?
I gave you the problem with the reported data, get tested and get counted, no medical treatment and you aren't counted as recovered
 
Because it takes aways individual freedoms and responsibilities something that you apparently don't understand
Ah, so "state and local level!" only when we agree with their policy.
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it is the conclusion that supports the Constitution and the verifiable results.
What does this even mean?

Blue states led the nation in unemployment in 2021 by staying closed and having strict Covid regulations.
It's a bit more nuanced than that, but I've already explained that to you numerous times. Urban centers also feature large corporate headquarters and offices, and many of those companies kept their workers at home; a policy implemented by them and not the state. Depending on the state and city, certain industries were adversely affected by the lack of office workers and tourists. Then again, none of this nuance will matter since you are hyper focused on the usual "LIBERALS AND BLUES STATES BAD!!11!" narrative.
 
According to this: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The blue state with the most deaths was California, with 89,461. Based on its population of 39,512,223, there were 2,264 deaths per million people.
The red state with the most deaths was Texas, with 88,110. Based on its population of 28,995,881, there were 3,039 deaths per million people.

I'd rather take lower deaths per million people.

But as someone else displayed, MS, AZ, AL, TN, and WV "lead" the US in deaths per 1 million people.

Pretty sad numbers Fox is using to "claim victory".
 
Pretty simple to find out how it worked out, look at bls.gov and the employment data then look at the poll numbers of Biden on the economy, job approval and Covid response

Waiting for you to provide any evidence that differences in employment levels have anything to do with the pandemic response. Lots of employers here in CA are still having trouble filling openings.

I gave you the problem with the reported data, get tested and get counted, no medical treatment and you aren't counted as recovered

Waiting for you to provide any evidence that this supposed "problem" differs from state to state depending on how they handled the pandemic.
 
This is like midgets arguing who is taller
 
Also its most likely DeSantis played with the numbers in Florida so...
 
Right, with freedom comes responsibilities and consequences both good and bad. You apparently need the gov't to be your parent, I don't. You think the President could enforce wearing masks, social distancing, quarantine?

You didn't answer how America was supposed to deal with the pandemic.
 
New 'study' from the right wing The Committee To Unleash Prosperity.
Why are their opinions not surprising.
 
Waiting for you to provide any evidence that differences in employment levels have anything to do with the pandemic response. Lots of employers here in CA are still having trouble filling openings.
Really? You incapable of looking at state employment at BLS.gov? Appears that like most liberals you want someone to lead you by the hand to destroy your narrative. Shutdown businesses impact employment, businesses reopening impact employment. Figure out the difference between Red states and blue states to see the unemployment and employment numbers. I posted the bls.gov link
Waiting for you to provide any evidence that this supposed "problem" differs from state to state depending on how they handled the pandemic.
Pretty simple, keep businesses shutdown and people will always be dependent on the gov't
 
The Covid results support the article but don't let reality get in your way of weaponizing Covid for your own ideological gains
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The 2020 election was all about Covid response and the blame game against Trump. Now with the reports out and Biden in the WH, the 2020 response is totally ignored as are the results. As always civics challenged individuals seek to blame the President for Covid response when the reality is that isn't the role of the President. The President did his job, getting a vaccine approved in record time but the left will continue to promote that blame game. this OP again is about the failures of liberal leadership all over the country micromanaging personal responsibility issues and failing.
Conservatives are far better at lockdowns as it is their method to do everything.
 
The problem here is he continually critiqued states that had more pandemic restrictions publicly, even going so far as tweeting some of those states should be "liberated". You can't claim to let others make decisions then use your bully pulpit to rally people against any given states' policies.
Trump saw no need to shut down the country. In that respect he was 100% correct. Trump was the least to blame because there was no way he could have been prepared. Congress should have been preparing this country for such an event for decades considering how many of it's members have been in office for decades. Trump and clearly both parties on every level were to blame for make this political. The welfare of the people of this country clearly took a back seat to politics to the point where most of the deaths were the direct responsibility of our leaders. There is no denying this fact.
 
Conservatives are far better at lockdowns as it is their method to do everything.
What lockdowns? Why do you have a problem with conservative economics? Did you send your Trump rax cut back
 
Trump saw no need to shut down the country. In that respect he was 100% correct.
The thing is the country wasn't "shut down"; China's measures are much closer to that, and if you're looking for a western country closer to that model then Italy had pretty severe restrictions. The other side of this is private sector decisions that were outside of government policies which also had an impact on urban centers. The restrictions in some states were certainly harsher than others, but part of that depended on the the population density of their urban areas and influx of travelers from other parts of the country and the world.

Trump was the least to blame because there was no way he could have been prepared.
Incorrect. He was informed in advance, and we now know this because of the Woodward tape where he clearly says as much as much, along with him saying he was going to downplay it despite saying how much of a threat it was. Members of Congress who were briefed on this were also aware, and some chose to sell stocks in companies likely impacted by the pandemic.

Congress should have been preparing this country for such an event for decades considering how many of it's members have been in office for decades.
There have been attempts to do precisely that, but with mixed approval from Congress. The GOP dominated Congress chose to not appropriate the amount the Obama administration requested to fund pandemic readiness back in 2011. Trump cut funding to the CDC and ended pandemic early warning program in September of 2020.

Trump and clearly both parties on every level were to blame for make this political. The welfare of the people of this country clearly took a back seat to politics to the point where most of the deaths were the direct responsibility of our leaders. There is no denying this fact.
This didn't need to be a political football, and I agree that both parties played their role, but what stands out is the POTUS continually downplaying the threat of the pandemic despite the increase in cases and deaths during that first and second surges.
 
The thing is the country wasn't "shut down"; China's measures are much closer to that, and if you're looking for a western country closer to that model then Italy had pretty severe restrictions. The other side of this is private sector decisions that were outside of government policies which also had an impact on urban centers. The restrictions in some states were certainly harsher than others, but part of that depended on the the population density of their urban areas and influx of travelers from other parts of the country and the world.


Incorrect. He was informed in advance, and we now know this because of the Woodward tape where he clearly says as much as much, along with him saying he was going to downplay it despite saying how much of a threat it was. Members of Congress who were briefed on this were also aware, and some chose to sell stocks in companies likely impacted by the pandemic.


There have been attempts to do precisely that, but with mixed approval from Congress. The GOP dominated Congress chose to not appropriate the amount the Obama administration requested to fund pandemic readiness back in 2011. Trump cut funding to the CDC and ended pandemic early warning program in September of 2020.


This didn't need to be a political football, and I agree that both parties played their role, but what stands out is the POTUS continually downplaying the threat of the pandemic despite the increase in cases and deaths during that first and second surges.
some people can't seem to understand the Mayor of NYC and Governor of NY put shut downs in place because they saw how fast it spread, 1person in the start of March and over 79,000 by the end of the month ,
and all they were getting out of Trump was lie after lie and contradicting info from Trump and the CDC and WHO
so they had NO idea about what to do so to try and slow it down the shut things down
again MAYBE if Trump would have been a real leader and not kept telling lie after lie after lie they might have done something else
But that didn't happen
Have a nice day
 



The 2020 election was all about Covid response and the blame game against Trump. Now with the reports out and Biden in the WH, the 2020 response is totally ignored as are the results. As always civics challenged individuals seek to blame the President for Covid response when the reality is that isn't the role of the President. The President did his job, getting a vaccine approved in record time but the left will continue to promote that blame game. this OP again is about the failures of liberal leadership all over the country micromanaging personal responsibility issues and failing.
For real? You're posting a Fox News bullshit story from The Committee To Unleash Prosperity who preach supply side economics as if it were gospel?


The Bottom Line​

Economists still debate whether tax cuts lead to increased economic growth over the long term. The Treasury Department study did mention that, in the short-term and in an economy that is already weak, tax cuts will provide an immediate boost. The NBER study found that tax cuts will create larger budget deficits unless spending is also cut.


Over the long term, and in a healthy economy, this will put downward pressure on the dollar which could ultimately increase inflation through higher prices for imports. In time, if inflation is high enough and the economy is strong enough, it could convince the Federal Reserve to initiate contractionary monetary policy, such as higher interest rates. The result of that is slower economic growth.

Therefore, your link is making the argument that Trump's tax cuts are one of the root causes for our inflation and rising interest rates.
 
some people can't seem to understand the Mayor of NYC and Governor of NY put shut downs in place because they saw how fast it spread, 1person in the start of March and over 79,000 by the end of the month ,
and all they were getting out of Trump was lie after lie and contradicting info from Trump and the CDC and WHO
so they had NO idea about what to do so to try and slow it down the shut things down
again MAYBE if Trump would have been a real leader and not kept telling lie after lie after lie they might have done something else
But that didn't happen
Have a nice day
I'm sure case counts would have stayed the same had all the people who commute and work in the city had continued coming into the office.
;)
 
yes and what was CDC and WHO saying in February? when was the travel ban implemented? The left promoted this claim for most of 2020 ignoring the actions taken. The pandemic was declared in Mid March 2020. He did nothing? no travel ban in January??
Only from China and not from Europe. The first big wave was caused by Europeans coming thru NY and spreading the virus which is why NYC, especially was so hard hit. You also fail to remember (or conveniently leave out) that in the beginning there weren't any strategies known because it was a NOVEL coronavirus which means it was NEW. People didn't know what to do and what not to do nor did the medical community. The original strategies were educated guesses without a lot of real data. Your entire OP and the ridiculous committee BS is just that BS.
 
The thing is the country wasn't "shut down"; China's measures are much closer to that, and if you're looking for a western country closer to that model then Italy had pretty severe restrictions. The other side of this is private sector decisions that were outside of government policies which also had an impact on urban centers. The restrictions in some states were certainly harsher than others, but part of that depended on the the population density of their urban areas and influx of travelers from other parts of the country and the world.


Incorrect. He was informed in advance, and we now know this because of the Woodward tape where he clearly says as much as much, along with him saying he was going to downplay it despite saying how much of a threat it was. Members of Congress who were briefed on this were also aware, and some chose to sell stocks in companies likely impacted by the pandemic.


There have been attempts to do precisely that, but with mixed approval from Congress. The GOP dominated Congress chose to not appropriate the amount the Obama administration requested to fund pandemic readiness back in 2011. Trump cut funding to the CDC and ended pandemic early warning program in September of 2020.


This didn't need to be a political football, and I agree that both parties played their role, but what stands out is the POTUS continually downplaying the threat of the pandemic despite the increase in cases and deaths during that first and second surges.
It is comments like yours that lead the election of incompetent, senile, and poor leaders in position of power. Your total ignorance on this issue continues to be on display as is your double standard focusing solely on your perception of the rhetoric or what you have been told vs the actions and policies created. Nothing changes the mind of a cult follower which you appear to be
 
some people can't seem to understand the Mayor of NYC and Governor of NY put shut downs in place because they saw how fast it spread, 1person in the start of March and over 79,000 by the end of the month ,
and all they were getting out of Trump was lie after lie and contradicting info from Trump and the CDC and WHO
so they had NO idea about what to do so to try and slow it down the shut things down
again MAYBE if Trump would have been a real leader and not kept telling lie after lie after lie they might have done something else
But that didn't happen
Have a nice day
I keep hearing about lack of leadership of Trump who didn't show any leadership in sending infected seniors back to their nursing home in NY. You and your buddies here are constitutionally challenged and totally ignorant of the policies generated and by whom. Trump had no authority without implementing Marshall Law, is that what you wanted?
 
Trump saw no need to shut down the country. In that respect he was 100% correct. Trump was the least to blame because there was no way he could have been prepared. Congress should have been preparing this country for such an event for decades considering how many of it's members have been in office for decades. Trump and clearly both parties on every level were to blame for make this political. The welfare of the people of this country clearly took a back seat to politics to the point where most of the deaths were the direct responsibility of our leaders. There is no denying this fact.
May I suggest that Trump was vastly to blame because he downplayed the pandemic until it was undeniable. Then, he pawned off responsibility to the states.
“We have 15 cases now, which will be zero by next week.” “It will go away in the Spring, like magic.” ”It will be gone by Easter.” “It’s just like getting a cold.”
 
And yet action was taken long before the pandemic was declared. useless? Why? because the left says so? The travel ban destroys your narrative about Trump not caring. You however continued to buy the liberal rhetoric even ignoring the liberal actions like Pelosi going to Chinatown and promoting tourism during that time.
Here are 10 examples of Trump's "F" ing up Covid and this is the tip of the iceberg. Comparing one comment from Pelosi in Feb. 2020 is nothing especially compared to this:

 
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